Howdy, I have just activated the Bugs and have defended Drassen several times from bug attacks. So after the last attack I figured I would go into the mine to see what the deal was. I make it all the way to the bottom, and have not faced a single bug. I find a bunch of ammo and grenades from previous dead people, and 2 jars that I know are related to the bugs, but no idea how. As I got to the last level, I approach an area that contains, what I assume to be, bug eggs. But, there are no bugs at all on any of the levels, and if there was a Queen type bug in the egg area, she is missing as well. Just what do I have to do to solve the bug dilemma?

FYI: Captured all of Drassen, Alma, took Tixa, and the Drassen SAM. So if there's an NPC I'm supposed to talk to in one of these towns, or a future one, I have not encountered them yet.

The jars are for expressing 'royal jelly' from the bug queen's corpse once you kill her. The stuff's better than Compound 18 for reinforcing your armour - and also makes it lighter *and* bumps up its camo bonus. *GREAT* stuff, get every jar of it you can... but don't try to apply it to items already coated with C-18, as the two treatments eat each other (and the armour).

Many thanks for your response. Luckily all I had to do was leave the Queen sector, and as I did, there were bugs back in the mines. So I zoned back over and took the queen down. Now she dropped jelly, and I did not merge it with the jars, I just went ahead and merged it with the items. Is there any difference in that respect?

Are you sure you're playing the sci-fi mode? Normally when i take the fourth town with or without talking to bob, i get the queen to release the pets.

Or maybe the mine that the bugs are runned out of ore and thus the beasts do not show up?

The mine runned out of ore and the bugs code got "trapped"? Maybe... That's a very interesting point... In this game,Drassen got out of ore and I had only Chitzena.Then I took Cambria right away. The bugs could have infested Cambria,but haven't.Why?

The Crepitus can appear in Drassen even when it is out of ore. When this happens, you get no warning from the head miner about him having to close the mine since it's already closed. After a number of days, there would be a Crepitus attack somewhere in Drassen against your militia there (assuming you have Drassen filled with militia; I'm not sure what would happen if you don't).

I wonder if you may have triggered the Crepitus without realizing it. Talking to Bob (or the Priest or Gabby) will not trigger it. Did you find and kill Crepitus in the cave below Tixa? If you did, then that should have triggered it. Also, controlling 3 of the 4 mines (excluding Chitzena) should trigger it. Did you get the cutscene where Deidranna tells Elliot to stop feeding bodies to the creatures? If you did, then the Crepitus have been triggered.

- WTF? :silly: But even if the attack was in Drassen and your militia attacked,it would appear the red battle screen,wouldn't it?

Another thing,when I conquered Grumm,my mercs smelled the bugs presence on the mines,but haven't found any.The hole leading downstairs didn't exist.

- Well,I killed the Crepitus on Tixa,BEFORE conquering Grumm(that would be the 3rd valid mine,excluding Chitzena) and nothing happened.

- In respect to the cutscene,maybe I skipped it,but I haven't got any consequences of it(mine closed,bugs attacking militia,etc).

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Yes, you would know it if there had been a battle.

Yea,but there was no battle......

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How far into the mine did you go? I don't think there is a hole in the first mine sector. The first sector exits at the edge of the screen (the pentagonal exit cursor). It's probably the 2nd sector that will have a hole (with a rectangular exit cursor).

If they are in Grumm, you may have experienced the bug which causes them not to be in the mine when you enter it. The fix for that is to exit the mine, save your game, exit the game entirely, restart the game, reload your save, and re-enter the mine. At that point, you should encounter crepitus in the first sector if they are supposed to be there.

H4 Grumm Mine sublevel 2.The last mine level before entering Creatures Lair.I know it very well 'cause my previous bug quests were in Grumm.

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Whenever I have killed the crepitus below Tixa, I have gotten the cutscene where Deidranna tells Elliot to stop feeding bodies to the creatures fairly soon afterward.

No cutscene for me.

Normally I take Drassen, Drassen SAM, Cambria, Cambria SAM, Chitzena, Chitzena SAM, Then either Grumm or Alma. And the Queen release the creatures.

I skip Bob in the hospital, the queen dialogue and Tixa if i feel like not going in it.

If you go in Tixa after killing the queen bug, then there are no bugs in there anymore.

There is also Gabe(the guy who sells antibug elixir) and Ratt(a guy that appears in cambria commercial area when the bugs are released) that i skip completelly.

The bugs thenselves are not in the mines every night, i have to wait a nocturnal attack then enter the mine, and see if there is anyone there, if not then i just keep time compressing untill they attack me again and are in the mines.

Never ever had any problems with delay to get the quest, even after some heavy delayed games with only IMP merc in the field.

Is it normal to a mine run out of ore before the bugs quest? Never happened to me.

Yes it is normal.

Killing the queen with c-4 tnt? I use two or three laws and end the conversations right there. Normally there is a chance of the bugs attacking every night, not right away, because there is always time for me to take alma and almost finish training militia in there, but i finish the train session anyway, the bugs can wait as long as there is militia in drassen.

I've only got bugs on Drassen mine and Grumm mine 99% of the time in Drassen, even out of ore.

I play the 1.12 gold version, you're playing 1.13?

How is the town morale? it is high i pressume, because you're taking one town after another?

When the queen fall short on the people under her iron fist then it starts the bug quest?

I remember the animation for the bug liberation scene a litle,

That weak guy comes in and tell her "ahem my queen, the people it appears, are turning against you my queen" and she gives the order to free the beasts. Something like that.

Yea,I always killed her with explosives.At the time the bugs appeared,I still didn't have laws/mortars to throw at her.And I like to make tnt/C4 more useful,'cause they aren't so useful as in old JA1/DG.Even if I had LAWs/Mortars,I would prefer to use them in the final blow.

it seems like a good idea to take a shot, go into the mine, exit, take a shot, go into the mine, exit, until the creatures appear at the first mine level. Annoying.