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| Arulco Folding Stock Discussions & Bug Reports - (2018/11/04 - 20--/--/--)[message #355670]
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Mon, 05 November 2018 03:04 
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| Wil473 |
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To go with a new (Experimental) Arulco Folding Stock (AFS) mod a new thread as this one has gotten a bit too long: http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=20916&goto=355347&#msg_355347
Experimental: Arulco Folding Stock Full Experimental 12 v4.6x 20181105 (Removed December 23, 2018 as new version released, link now goes to release post for Experimental 13)
- Built/Tested on SCI: SCI_JA2v1.13_Revision_8633_on_GameDir_2449 (November 1, 2018 SCI) available HERE
- Revisions to NCTH, New Guns, Bug fixes and point update to reflect newer SCI features
- Full release, substitute for Arulco Folding Stock v4.50 20141222 (Full) during standard installation
Backpacks that Allow Both Climbing and Being Equipped With All Combat Pack
* both Go-Bag and Sniper Drag Bag will allow climbing while equipped (both proper backpack NIV slot or in-hand)
- - <fAllowClimbing> = 1 for both backpacks in Items.XML, and USE_GLOBAL_BACKPACK_SETTINGS = FALSE set in Ja2_Options.INI
* all combat pack items, including Radio and Diving Bottle have non-zero <lbeCombo> to allow being equipped with Go-Bag and Sniper Drag Bag
- - <lbeCombo> = 4 set in LoadBearingEquipment.XMLfor all combat packs not part of combo with normal backpacks
* Updated AmmoType.XML for ]SCI_JA2v1.13_Revision_8633_on_GameDir_2449
- - HEAT ammo now RGB defined orange
- - considering new colour scheme for ammos now that we have RGB (yes I could have had different colours under the old system but this one seems easier to work with, ie. Orange = RED=255, GREEN=165, BLUE=0
* Fixed 1691. Sniper Drag Bag, cleared <NotBuyable> tag set in-error
* Fixed 743. Go Bag, <szBRName> corrected to "Pack(b)-Go Bag," was "Pack(C)-Go Bag"
*** Unfinished Post ***
EDIT: I do no not have permission to pin/unpin threads - if anyone has a moment may I please have the old tread unpinned and the new one pinned. Thanks
[Updated on: Sun, 23 December 2018 15:39]
More weapon features and upgrade options, via (mis)use of v1.13 for vanilla Arulco, Dedrianna Lives! and Urban Chaos campaigns.Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Arulco Folding Stock Discussions & Bug Reports - (2018/11/04 - 20--/--/--)[message #355720 is a reply to message #355670]
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Thu, 08 November 2018 07:38 
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Hi Wil 
Thanks a lot for the mod. I'm drooling all over the new items - at the same time feeling a bit lost within 
While setting up the game for playing and fooling around with BR's, i came across a few things:
1) Burial Speed
source
When creating IMPs, respectively when checking Pops' background ingame (*), Burial Speed isn't shown.
Maybe it is just a missing XML tag on the Shovel item, but honestly, i never understood JA2's inner mechanics enough to try pointing out sound solutions.
(*) meaning: [in AFS] ; this issue didn't occur with Vanilla 113 and it is also independent of the DISEASE = FALSE/TRUE setting.
2) AK booster
For the AK 102/104/105 (all versions including AKT/Bullpup), the AK Muzzle Booster is a permanent attachment. Also, the AEK 971/973 and AK 103/107/108 (again all versions) arrive with an AK Muzzle Break instead of the booster.
Is this intended ?
3) LBE Vests and others
Not all LBE vests/items have camo. I'm thinking in particular about the Omon, RM 23 G, TAG Rifleman, AR M-LBE, Police M-LBE and VTAC M-LBE vests ; as well as the M-LBE Casualty Response Kit, Patrol Leg Rig, all non-Modular thigh rigs/belts/pouches (example "Large Mag / Utility Pouch" or "Mag / Canteen / Grenade" belts) and the TT Extended Range Pack.
Could you check them please ?
4) M-LBE attachable "pockets"
This actually has the dimension of a feature request.
Several of the "pockets" that can be attached to the various M-LBE vests/rigs/packs have a camo bonus which is arguably either too small/large, or not set in the first place. I'd like to see them revamped ; more non-wood camo is needed (at least, i could need some  ) and it adds more options in a branch that doesn't have many yet, compared to ARs for example.
I divide them into "wood", "desert" and "urban" for simplicity. New and old stats are based on how much volume they consume upon attaching ; 1 camo = [1;2] volume, 2 camo = [3] volume, 3 camo = [4+] volume.
But as mentioned: it'd be easy to argue [volume doesn't say it all] and that [how much fits into the pocket] should also be considered, respectively [real life size of the pocket], for a more efficient differentiation.
If a pocket isn't listed, then its boni fit to the suggested volume-based system.
- wood camo boni
M-LBE Shotgun Ammo Pouch ------ 1
M-LBE AR Mag Pouches ---------- 3 ; 2 if also decreasing its volume consumption to 3
M-LBE ArmourBak Carrier ------- ? ; currently has a camo bonus of 3, but doesn't consume volume
M-LBE Double Grenade ---------- 1
M-LBE Drop Pouch -------------- 3 ; increasing its volume consumption to 4-6
M-LBE Rifle Ammo Pouch -------- 3
M-LBE Small Pouch ------------- 1 ; 2 if also increasing its volume consumption to 3
M-LBE Spec Ops Holster -------- 1 ; 3 if also increasing its volume consumption to 4-6
- desert camo boni
M-LBE 40mm Pouches ------------ 1
M-LBE AK Mag Pouches ---------- 3 ; 2 if also decreasing its volume consumption by 1
M-LBE BR Mag Pouches ---------- 3 ; 2 if also decreasing its volume consumption by 1
M-LBE Cartridge Pouch --------- 1
M-LBE Drum Ammo Pouch --------- 3
M-LBE Leather Knife Sheath ---- 1
M-LBE Medical Pouch ----------- 3
M-LBE Mk2 Grenade Pouch ------- 2
M-LBE Revolver Holster -------- 3 ; ported from wooden camo (*)
M-LBE Triple Pistol Mag Pouch - 2
- urban camo boni
M-LBE Rifle Grenade ----------- 1
M-LBE Canteen Pouch ----------- 1 ; 2 or 3 if also increasing its volume consumption accordingly, suggestion = 2 camo 3 volume
M-LBE Hand Grenade Pouch ------ 1
M-LBE Holster ----------------- 3
M-LBE MP5 Bungee/Cover -------- 2 ; lowering its volume to 3
M-LBE Single Pistol Mag Pouch - 1 ; ported from wooden camo
(*) speaking of... the Revolver Holster has the Revolver slot sitting in 1 of the small slots, however it should be in the large slot. Also, although having internal volume, it isn't possible to attach pockets to it:
5) Radio Set
Some time ago, Flugente changed the Radio Set to not need batteries anymore. While reading i found this to be a good change, and agreed with his reasoning.
It's not urgent, just for curiosity, but if you have the time would you share your thoughts about "using or not" a battery for the Radio Set ?
Thanks
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| Re: Arulco Folding Stock Discussions & Bug Reports - (2018/11/04 - 20--/--/--)[message #355744 is a reply to message #355743]
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Fri, 09 November 2018 02:14
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| Mai Ti Miao |
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Hi Wil
6) In addition to the Shovel/Gravedigging
Surgical Gloves and Surgical Mask are seemingly also not updated yet ; at least they lack the "bio hazard" icon in the EDB. Additionally, they have very large Item Size, fitting only one piece each and only into the largest slots (those either with or without a small rifle icon on them). As comparison, 3 Gas Masks fit into the same slot.
7) Cougar Grenade Launcher
The Cougar MS Grenade Launcher can be attached with RIS-
- grips/bipods
- LAM
- AR scopes
but not with the Grenade Sight.
8) Panzerfaust
The Panzerfaust 3 has a built-in "Lense 2x" attachment.
9) More M-LBE stuff
Mai Ti Miao wrote on Thu, 08 November 2018 06:38
the Revolver Holster has the Revolver slot sitting in 1 of the small slots, however it should be in the large slot. Also, although having internal volume, it isn't possible to attach pockets to it:
https://i.imgur.com/OO2SWie.png
Same for the M-LBE Spec Ops Holster.
The M-LBE Rifle Grenade "pocket" doesn't accept Rifle Grenades. It can be loaded with a 40mm Grenade, though.
The M-LBE Leg Rig (not the "M-LBE Leg Rig, 2x Pockets" but the normal one) can be attached to several vests/packs. If it itself had been attached with pockets, those are transferred to the vest/pack. Also, attaching the leg rig doesn't consume volume.
Effectively, attaching the leg rig adds only its camo ; and weight of course.
A case example:
As long as the player is willing to bear the weight, s/he could easily stack some camo here.
Could you look into it please ?
Wil473 wrote on Fri, 09 November 2018 00:572. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this but, I think you are asking for a permanent attachment for a number of newer Russian AR's (and consequently the loss of other attachment optionss)?
Actually the other way round: i was asking, whether the permanent attachment on the shorter AKs was intended. I confess that i'm not a gun enthusiast, as such i lack quite a bit of knowledge in this department.
Wil473 wrote on Fri, 09 November 2018 00:573. As most of the LBE are shared with stock [..]
4. As in 3. my intention is to replicate where possible stock v1.13 cammo tags for LBE items.
I see. I find this a bit unfortunate, but i won't cry (oh, wait... ) if you veto it.
Wil473 wrote on Fri, 09 November 2018 00:575. If all I had to worry about was AFS I would see nothing wrong with the Radio Set not needing batteries, but with a somewhat similar radio in Urban Chaos going back to before my involvement in modding JA2 requiring batteries I'm going to have to think about this one. My inclination is to retain battery usage to maintain consistency with the Urban Chaos Radio (though that devices function was to be the mod's X-ray detector).
Thanks
Although i intend to play UC at some point, as of now i never played it. Until then i'm only thinking of AFS, without considering UC compatibility ; my bad
[Updated on: Fri, 09 November 2018 02:20] Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Arulco Folding Stock Discussions & Bug Reports - (2018/11/04 - 20--/--/--)[message #355883 is a reply to message #355880]
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Sun, 18 November 2018 08:50
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Just to see if I understand this exchange, looking on.
So, the scope has variable magnifications, chosen by the scope mode (B key). However, the scope as currently designed only has the vision range bonus at the full 9x magnification of the variable scope. At other scope magnifications there is no vision range bonus, but the magnifications would work.
And the reason to switch magnifications is to have different ranges where the bonus to chance to hit and so on can be best adjusted to the actual range to target. Otherwise, no point in the variable scope as a benefit.
Am I understanding this correctly?
And what you are saying, Wil473, is that this choice makes the most sense because it allows one to get all the best vision range at max 9x magnification (so just note it on the weapon description, and player should view things using the max 9x scope mode) and otherwise customize magnification chosen to the current range to target in order to get the best CTH or AIM bonus for the situation (since scopes used on too near a target for the scope magnification get a malus to chance to hit, and so on).
It does sound like it is the best choice, too bad v1.13 doesn't work both features in on all scope modes, per your explanation. I'm guessing if you chose then to have the vision range bonus for all magnifications then you'd lose the bonus/malus to cth for each chosen scope magnification -- certainly a greater loss if so.
Very interesting observation by Mao Ti Miao and interesting answer. Hope I understood it correctly, as I presume I'm not the only person who needs to parse out the reason in his head.
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| Re: Arulco Folding Stock Discussions & Bug Reports - (2018/11/04 - 20--/--/--)[message #355884 is a reply to message #355883]
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Sun, 18 November 2018 09:28
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| Mai Ti Miao |
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Hi Wil, hi Zed
ZedJA2 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 07:50It does sound like it is the best choice
Actually, no. To clarify (and because i just got home from party, being a bit tipsy now  ), i show screenshots.
In its default state, the Variable Power Scope works perfectly...
...the target is coloured = within range of view. However...
...once you switch scope modes (no matter to which), the target becomes greyed out, indicating its out of visual range and...
...the overlay via [END] hotkey shows exactly as if no scope was used.
(whoopsy, i cut off the [F] hotkey info  the soldier is at circa 35 tiles)
Effectively, the Variable Power Scope in its current state is just a 9x scope.
I hope this clarifies what i'm worrying about
Speaking of Gus, all his 4 equipment kits have a Back/Combat Pack issue:
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| Re: Arulco Folding Stock Discussions & Bug Reports - (2018/11/04 - 20--/--/--)[message #355888 is a reply to message #355884]
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Sun, 18 November 2018 15:16
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| Wil473 |
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The NCTH Magnification factors work as advertised, no the discussion here are the three vision range bonuses - I currently only give a bonus to the base item to which the "invisible" lenses are attached to.
On looking at things more closely, v1.13 seems to also displays the vision range bonus as a percentage rather than tiles (at least I think every 10 = 1 tile of bonus). The Test changes I put below have the following behaviours:
- vision range decreases by 1 tile each reduction in magnification
- item stats give the scope now a 490% vision range bonus
- tunnel vision in the stats is capped however at 100% thought the actual penalties range from 85% down to 10% in the test scheme
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<ITEM>
<uiIndex>536</uiIndex>
<szItemName>3-9x RIS Scope</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Variable Power RIS Scope</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>A large scope, too big to fit on most assault rifles and carbines. Hmmm, maybe it would fit on a sniper rifle? *** Please remove first before swapping optics. ***</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>Optics - 9x VP(3-9x) Scope</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>16</nasAttachmentClass>
<nasLayoutClass>2048</nasLayoutClass>
<AvailableAttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AvailableAttachmentPoint>
<AttachmentPoint>32</AttachmentPoint>
<AttachToPointAPCost>150</AttachToPointAPCost>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>801</ubGraphicNum>
<ubWeight>13</ubWeight>
<ubPerPocket>4</ubPerPocket>
<ItemSize>152</ItemSize>
<usPrice>5800</usPrice>
<ubCoolness>9</ubCoolness>
<bRepairEase>-2</bRepairEase>
<Damageable>1</Damageable>
<Repairable>1</Repairable>
<Metal>1</Metal>
<Sinks>1</Sinks>
<ShowStatus>1</ShowStatus>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<BigGunList>1</BigGunList>
<ToHitBonus>-5</ToHitBonus>
<AimBonus>25</AimBonus>
<MinRangeForAimBonus>90</MinRangeForAimBonus>
<BurstToHitBonus>-75</BurstToHitBonus>
<AutoFireToHitBonus>-75</AutoFireToHitBonus>
<PercentReadyTimeAPReduction>-50</PercentReadyTimeAPReduction>
<DamageBonus>3</DamageBonus>
<DefaultAttachment>583</DefaultAttachment>
<DefaultAttachment>584</DefaultAttachment>
<DefaultAttachment>585</DefaultAttachment>
<DefaultAttachment>586</DefaultAttachment>
<DefaultAttachment>587</DefaultAttachment>
<DefaultAttachment>588</DefaultAttachment>
<NightVisionRangeBonus>20</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>100</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>100</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>85</PercentTunnelVision> <!-- test value, was 55 -->
<ScopeMagFactor>9.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>18</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-90</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>3</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>9</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
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<ITEM>
<uiIndex>583</uiIndex>
<szItemName>3x</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Lense 3x</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>*** Sorry, known issue. *** Looks like you switched optics without removing the variable power scope first. Merge any of the popped out lenses to fix the scope.</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>3x</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>4294967296</nasAttachmentClass>
<AttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AttachmentPoint>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>799</ubGraphicNum>
<HiddenAddon>1</HiddenAddon>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<HiddenAttachment>1</HiddenAttachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<NotInEditor>1</NotInEditor>
<DefaultUndroppable>1</DefaultUndroppable>
<Inseparable>1</Inseparable>
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<NightVisionRangeBonus>10</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>40</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>40</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>40</PercentTunnelVision>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<ScopeMagFactor>3.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>6</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-30</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>0</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>3</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
<ITEM>
<uiIndex>584</uiIndex>
<szItemName>4x</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Lense 4x</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>*** Sorry, known issue. *** Looks like you switched optics without removing the variable power scope first. Merge any of the popped out lenses to fix the scope.</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>4x</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>4294967296</nasAttachmentClass>
<AttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AttachmentPoint>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>799</ubGraphicNum>
<HiddenAddon>1</HiddenAddon>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<HiddenAttachment>1</HiddenAttachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<NotInEditor>1</NotInEditor>
<DefaultUndroppable>1</DefaultUndroppable>
<Inseparable>1</Inseparable>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<NightVisionRangeBonus>10</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>50</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>50</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>40</PercentTunnelVision> <!-- Beyond 4x this will go up to 45 and then 10 each mag beyond -->
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<ScopeMagFactor>4.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>8</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-40</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>1</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>4</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
<ITEM>
<uiIndex>585</uiIndex>
<szItemName>5x</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Lense 5x</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>*** Sorry, known issue. *** Looks like you switched optics without removing the variable power scope first. Merge any of the popped out lenses to fix the scope.</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>5x</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>4294967296</nasAttachmentClass>
<AttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AttachmentPoint>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>799</ubGraphicNum>
<HiddenAddon>1</HiddenAddon>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<HiddenAttachment>1</HiddenAttachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<NotInEditor>1</NotInEditor>
<DefaultUndroppable>1</DefaultUndroppable>
<Inseparable>1</Inseparable>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<NightVisionRangeBonus>10</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>60</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>60</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>45</PercentTunnelVision>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<ScopeMagFactor>5.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>10</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-50</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>1</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>5</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
<ITEM>
<uiIndex>586</uiIndex>
<szItemName>6x</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Lense 6x</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>*** Sorry, known issue. *** Looks like you switched optics without removing the variable power scope first. Merge any of the popped out lenses to fix the scope.</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>6x</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>4294967296</nasAttachmentClass>
<AttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AttachmentPoint>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>799</ubGraphicNum>
<HiddenAddon>1</HiddenAddon>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<HiddenAttachment>1</HiddenAttachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<NotInEditor>1</NotInEditor>
<DefaultUndroppable>1</DefaultUndroppable>
<Inseparable>1</Inseparable>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<NightVisionRangeBonus>10</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>70</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>70</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>55</PercentTunnelVision>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<ScopeMagFactor>6.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>12</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-60</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>1</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>6</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
<ITEM>
<uiIndex>587</uiIndex>
<szItemName>7x</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Lense 7x</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>*** Sorry, known issue. *** Looks like you switched optics without removing the variable power scope first. Merge any of the popped out lenses to fix the scope.</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>7x</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>4294967296</nasAttachmentClass>
<AttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AttachmentPoint>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>799</ubGraphicNum>
<HiddenAddon>1</HiddenAddon>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<HiddenAttachment>1</HiddenAttachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<NotInEditor>1</NotInEditor>
<DefaultUndroppable>1</DefaultUndroppable>
<Inseparable>1</Inseparable>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<NightVisionRangeBonus>10</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>80</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>80</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>65</PercentTunnelVision>
<!-- test Range Bonus -->
<ScopeMagFactor>7.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>14</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-70</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>2</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>7</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
<ITEM>
<uiIndex>588</uiIndex>
<szItemName>8x</szItemName>
<szLongItemName>Lense 8x</szLongItemName>
<szItemDesc>*** Sorry, known issue. *** Looks like you switched optics without removing the variable power scope first. Merge any of the popped out lenses to fix the scope.</szItemDesc>
<szBRName>8x</szBRName>
<szBRDesc>*** Not available from BR's. Please report this bug. ***</szBRDesc>
<usItemClass>268435456</usItemClass>
<AttachmentClass>16</AttachmentClass>
<nasAttachmentClass>4294967296</nasAttachmentClass>
<AttachmentPoint>576460752303423488</AttachmentPoint>
<ubGraphicType>5</ubGraphicType>
<ubGraphicNum>799</ubGraphicNum>
<HiddenAddon>1</HiddenAddon>
<NotBuyable>1</NotBuyable>
<Attachment>1</Attachment>
<HiddenAttachment>1</HiddenAttachment>
<BlockIronSight>1</BlockIronSight>
<NotInEditor>1</NotInEditor>
<DefaultUndroppable>1</DefaultUndroppable>
<Inseparable>1</Inseparable>
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<NightVisionRangeBonus>10</NightVisionRangeBonus>
<DayVisionRangeBonus>90</DayVisionRangeBonus>
<BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>90</BrightLightVisionRangeBonus>
<PercentTunnelVision>75</PercentTunnelVision>
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<ScopeMagFactor>8.0</ScopeMagFactor>
<usOverheatingCooldownFactor>100</usOverheatingCooldownFactor>
<STAND_MODIFIERS>
<PercentCap>-10</PercentCap>
<PercentHandling>16</PercentHandling>
<PercentCounterForceAccuracy>-80</PercentCounterForceAccuracy>
<AimLevels>2</AimLevels>
</STAND_MODIFIERS>
<CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>8</PercentHandling>
</CROUCH_MODIFIERS>
<PRONE_MODIFIERS>
<PercentHandling>0</PercentHandling>
</PRONE_MODIFIERS>
</ITEM>
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Sun, 18 November 2018 16:54
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Hi i got some error with AFS
LoadPalletedImage function badalloc. Anything i can do to prevent it? I got it few times. Im playing on 7609 version from SevenFM modpack. I dont know which AFS version it has.
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Thanks a lot Wil
Wil473 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 14:16
- item stats give the scope now a 490% vision range bonus
This is just a visual, like for example the to hit cap accumulating to -70 as well.
Wil473 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 14:16
On looking at things more closely, v1.13 seems to also displays the vision range bonus as a percentage rather than tiles (at least I think every 10 = 1 tile of bonus).
I forgot the exact names of the operands, but:
Derived visual range = default sight range + default sight range * [sum of modifiers]
; during daylight, default sight range = 2 * BASE_SIGHT_RANGE
Example for <DayVisionRangeBonus>60 amd Scouting Trait:
28 + 28 * (0,6 + 0,1) = 47,6
Without Scouting it's = 44,8
Edit:
In/expirenced mercs will have a bit less/more due to their derived Mag-Factor.
If i remember correctly, the tiles' Brightness Level only comes into play for CTH calculations.
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Mon, 19 November 2018 18:44
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I feel like it might be worth mentioning again that the G36 with its built in optics is having a similar issue, giving the 3.5x vision range for the reflex sight and hip shots, but normal merc vision range if you try using the 3.5x mode.
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Wed, 21 November 2018 06:20
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Wil473 wrote on Wed, 21 November 2018 03:18
The range bonus changes discussed will, unless objections are raised, make it into the next experimental for testing.
To Do:
[..]
2) all non-variable power scopes will need to be checked so that range bonuses are consistent with the changes
Somehow i overlooked before that you increased the vision boni compared to fixed power scopes.
That's funny, i found the spotting range to be too low for my taste and increased Daylight+Brightlight boni by a factor of 1.25 (rounded down) ; for scopes with a Mag-Factor of at least 3.5, that is. I didn't change Night+Cave boni.
The reason i picked a larger percentage increase was quite simply greedyness in my theoretical mind games:
- snipers never get to use the max range of their weapons ; still won't with my larger boni, but at least get past 50 tiles with all high power scopes
- why should a sniper effectively "have" to pick Scouting trait ?
I was considering a progressive factor, like 3.5 and 4x scopes getting a flat +5% ; and then start with a factor of 1.25 for 4.5x scopes and poetentially arrive at a factor of 1.5 or 1.6 for 10x scopes ; but with limited freetime and a lack of gaming practice i scared away from that.
I'm currently in my second game with the vision extension and so far like it pretty much. I have to confess though that in my first game i played without a sniper for long periods, thus anything past a 6x scope is still in testing.
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Yes, Spotting was also my thought. Additionally, Spotting efficiency is increased if the merc has Scouting trait ; Scouting adds +40 to the binoc's base value (a mounted scope only gets +10 from Scouting), so no matter if the 9x and 10x scopes arrive at +125 or +150, a dedicated spotter would have +190 with the best binoc' and during daytime.
The tricky part is rather map sizes.
Assuming that the Sniper is positioned behind the Spotter = away from, respectively opposite to, the frontline, then raising the Sniper's range of view to
- 63 (125% modifier)
- 65,8 (+10 from Scouting trait ; the decimal helps in diagonal directions IIRC)
- 70 (150% modifier)
- 72,8 (+10 from Scouting)
is somewhere between "workable" and "too big" for Vanilla maps.
But as said, any scope with a Mag-Factor larger than 6x wasn't tested by me yet ; at least not enough to represent a statistical significance.
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Wil473 wrote on Thu, 22 November 2018 13:44
On a semi-related topic, has anyone replaced the mod's ...\Data-AFS\CTHConstants.INI with the one from stock v1.13? I'd like to see if the "ironsight" modifications added years ago are still needed (this will effectively nerf non-scope use, though down to the current stock performance rather than the very contentious ones of stock NCTH in the early days).
Last time I gave AFS a serious try I straight out replaced CTHConstants with one from SDO which is even a bit harsher than stock one, and can't say that I noticed any problems, but maybe my standards are skewed, so probably more people should weigh in 
Now, I believe that there are 2 problems that warp early game pretty seriously so that getting a bit less performance from weapons is not an issue.
First is overperformance of guns equipped with AR-15 telescopic stock. I think that it gives a bit too strong bonus. I'll give an example, in fact the same one where I noticed it definitely, my marksman IMP got an Excel Arms X30 as his starting rifle, and noticed that it outperforms Ruger Mini 14 that I found in San Mona. Made an example screenshot now, all weapons are in hand of newly made level 1 Sniper IMP, at 28 tiles range, equipped with Tactical Iron sights only, clean AFS install I made now.
First gun is the aforementioned Excel Arms X30, the one with AR-15 telescopic stock. Second is Hezi SM-1, rifle that is basically the same as X30, except it has a bit better gun handling, but no telescopic stock. Third is Ruger Mini 14 that should be a bit of an upgrade, considering higher range and better accuracy. X30 outperforms them both (while showcasing some fucking Simo Häyhä level of iron sights performance at more or less 300 meters )
The second issue is super low recoil on 22LR auto weapons. That makes them perform almost laser like, and it's super easy to land huge number of consequential hits. And then there is of course the combination of both problems in form of CAR-223 for example. It has recoil value of 1.0 and comes with AR-15 telescopic stock. It's just too good early, when armor to negate 22LR is rare.
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Fri, 23 November 2018 08:41
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Wil473 wrote on Thu, 22 November 2018 13:44I just did some testing with the following test stats:
Thanks a lot ; currently restarting my playthrough (wasn't that far anyway yet) after realizing if forgot to fully update and fix typos in my difficulty settings ; i copy your lasted changes and try them
Speaking of, the list includes NV scopes. Did you keep their night/low light vision boni at previous levels ?
Wil473 wrote on Thu, 22 November 2018 13:44I do get the feeling that I should be restricting access to these items as allowing a 5.56mm rifle to hit targets across half the map seemed a little excessive in terms of game balance.
I think the increase of vision from 4x to 6x is too steep, maybe rebalancing them to
- 5x = 65
- 6x = 80
- 7x = 100
- 8x = 120
- 9x = 135
10x = 140~150
The upgrade from battle scopes to high power scopes would be still significant, while battle scopes would become less strong.
And/or, yes, limiting 5.56mm and smaller calibres from high power scopes ; however, restricting scopes from what appears to be a full length barrel might feel alien to some. Maybe gun range (since it indicates barrel length) would be a more reasonable limiter, and it hits all calibers equally.
Wil473 wrote on Thu, 22 November 2018 13:44Additionally I'm considering limiting the aim level penalty for "high magnification" scopes down to 2. Right now they vary between 2 and 3 depending on magnification factor.
I don't see anything wrong with 6x and 7x and select NV scopes having aim level penalties of 2, and bigger scopes as well as remeining NV scopes having a penalty of 3. After all, and as far as i know, snipers practive hundreds if not thousands of shots at gun ranges to hone their skills with scopes ; while the average infanterist trains just iron sights and low to mid power scopes.
What i mean is: scopes should be difficult to use and the Sniper traits should have a meaning
Wil473 wrote on Thu, 22 November 2018 13:44On a semi-related topic, has anyone replaced the mod's ...\Data-AFS\CTHConstants.INI with the one from stock v1.13? I'd like to see if the "ironsight" modifications added years ago are still needed (this will effectively nerf non-scope use, though down to the current stock performance rather than the very contentious ones of stock NCTH in the early days).
I'm using the mod's CTHconstants.
I wasn't around when the original discussion took place, so i don't know what exactly it was about.
If IRON_SIGHT_PERFORMANCE_BONUS and LASER_PERFORMANCE_BONUS_xyz, then both files use same $vars.
If NORMAL_SHOOTING_DISTANCE, please keep in mind that lowering it would make scopes perform scaringly at shorter distances (like, 2x and 3x becoming pointless because 4x perfoms almost as well in their vision range).
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Wed, 28 November 2018 11:54
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I feel like any variable magnification optic meant for night use is going to need its own lenses, the FLIR sight is really wonky because the normal lenses don't take into account how much better it works at night.
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Sat, 01 December 2018 20:29
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Current revision of Items.XML for AFS, http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=23933&goto=356221&#msg_356221 (Removed December 23, 2018 as new Experimental uploaded)
- includes NV Scope lenses and other related changes
- fixed duplicate scope settings on some launchers that had (or were supposed to have integral scopes)
- camo steel hemet fixed
wolf00 wrote on Fri, 30 November 2018 13:26shoting from sr3-m ar is unable damage,armored jeep
I'll take a look at this next
EDIT: the SR-3M Vikhr uses 9x39mm (subsonic) ammo, which in terms of my mods, is only found in <ubAmmoType>41 "Pistol Plus Power AP"
These are the modifiers for 41.Pistol Plus Power AP
<dDamageModifierTank>0.0</dDamageModifierTank>
<dDamageModifierArmouredVehicle>0.1</dDamageModifierArmouredVehicle>
<dDamageModifierCivilianVehicle>1.0</dDamageModifierCivilianVehicle>
<dDamageModifierZombie>1.0</dDamageModifierZombie>
As a comparison, here is 7.62x54R Mag 10:
<MAGAZINE>
<uiIndex>699</uiIndex>
<ubCalibre>24</ubCalibre>
<ubMagSize>10</ubMagSize>
<ubAmmoType>10</ubAmmoType> = "AP/FMJ HiPwr"
<ubMagType>0</ubMagType>
</MAGAZINE>
10. AP/FMJ HiPwr
<dDamageModifierTank>0.0</dDamageModifierTank>
<dDamageModifierArmouredVehicle>0.6</dDamageModifierArmouredVehicle>
<dDamageModifierCivilianVehicle>1.0</dDamageModifierCivilianVehicle>
<dDamageModifierZombie>1.0</dDamageModifierZombie>
and here is a representative .50 Beowulf round
<MAGAZINE>
<uiIndex>912</uiIndex>
<ubCalibre>38</ubCalibre>
<ubMagSize>4</ubMagSize>
<ubAmmoType>72</ubAmmoType> = "VLC AP/FMJ"
<ubMagType>1</ubMagType>
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72. VLC AP/FMJ
<dDamageModifierTank>0.0</dDamageModifierTank>
<dDamageModifierArmouredVehicle>0.7</dDamageModifierArmouredVehicle>
<dDamageModifierCivilianVehicle>1.0</dDamageModifierCivilianVehicle>
<dDamageModifierZombie>1.0</dDamageModifierZombie>
So the game balance presently is that 9x39mm is not meant to be useful against the jeep enemy type, except if the Random Number Gods are looking very favourably on you, although rounding may actually make these weapons causing jeep damage a practical impossibility. For counter-Jeep you may want to invest in "traditional" full power cartridge rifles or very large calibre rounds.
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wolf00 wrote on Tue, 11 December 2018 05:29bug report magazine 30 round .22lr hp,in sector inventory it is 30 round .22lr hp,edb identify them 30 round magazine of .22 wmr hp
Thanks, the descriptions have been fixed, both AFS and UC-1.13. Should have another experimental out in the next few days.
EDIT: ...and here it is a day later
Arulco Folding Stock Full Experimental 13 v4.6x 20181223Obsolete - Link now goes to next Experimental
- No new SCI so still built/tested on SCI: SCI_JA2v1.13_Revision_8633_on_GameDir_2449 (November 1, 2018 SCI) available HERE
- Revisions to variable power scopes and by extension all scopes with respect to vision range bonuses (and tunnel vision penalties)
- Bug fix noted above
- Full release, substitute for Arulco Folding Stock v4.50 20141222 (Full) during standard installation
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Since that doesn't sound anything like my experience, I took a look at your save game, and really, cant seem to find anything weird. Went north to Cambria mine to test things out, and sniper IMP hit 9/9 hits with his Scout. Brain lands every mortar hit at most about 3-4 tiles away from the one I aimed at, and about 2 tiles away at average. All of that is of course at day ranges. That sound more than reasonable to me, to say the least.
Now some questions. Why are your mercs wearing night vision goggles at day? It fucks up their day vision and makes shooting harder because NVGs generally give maluses to both. If it was more realistic it should be in fact be completely impossible to use them with scopes. On the other hand, if you're typically fighting at night, why are you using long(-ish in case of Mini 14) range rifles. And 6x scope is super horrible at night ranges, even with all the vision bonuses from it, NVG and night ops. With vanilla 1.13 settings, 6x scope has a minimum usable range of about 7 (base shooting range) x 6 (magnification modifier) x 0.7 (min scope range modifier), which is about 30-ish tiles. That doesn't mean that it is instant useless at 29 tiles, but the lower you get from 30 tiles, the worse it becomes.
In AFS it is even more pronounced due to increased base shooting range of 130, which means that minimum range for 6x scope to get full effectiveness is about 13 x 6 x 0.7 which is about 53 tiles. Even with all the bonuses you're probably gettting no more than 20 something night vision range, so 6x has at that point accumulated so many maluses that it is strictly worse than no scope at all. It would be much better to find him something that can use that nice 2x russian night vision scope in his inventory if you want to fight at night. At day ranges it seems to me pretty good (in fact overpowered, I didn't finish the Cambria mine fight but sniper IMP would literally solo clean up everything with everyone else there just making some noise to discourage enemies from rushing him, they don't have to hit anything).
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