The Bears Pit: Flugente's Magika Workshop » New feature: AI medics and officers

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331456]

Fri, 21 March 2014 22:17

Maalstroom

Messages:340
Registered:December 2008
Location: en route to San Hermanos

Nice work tais. Smile

Master Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331477]

Mon, 24 March 2014 19:17

rowan

Messages:11
Registered:January 2003

So how do we install this? Sounds great

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331487]

Mon, 24 March 2014 20:45

tais

Messages:656
Registered:February 2008
Location: NL

It should make it's way into the code eventually, after that moment you can find it in the development builds, it won't make it's way into the upcoming stable release though

First Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331586]

Tue, 01 April 2014 13:33

smeagol

Messages:2705
Registered:June 2008
Location: Bremen, Germany

How about adding some sorts of penalties for killing enemies with certain "roles"? (Like loyalty drop in towns when you kill medics or a high morale drop for "good guy" mercs)

This could maybe add a bit to the "take prisoners" instead of killing off everyone without checking who the guy is.

Sure, in some situations you can't afford to check out everyone before shooting them, but in the situations when you actually have a choice (like sector attacks when you spent time setting up the team), it would certainly add another layer to gameplay.

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331587]

Tue, 01 April 2014 15:12

silversurfer

Messages:2791
Registered:May 2009

I think the local population couldn't care less what role a soldier has in Deidranna's army. They all follow orders and kill people.
Maybe that "medic" was doing experiments on people and that mortar guy was the best friend of Waldo the mechanic when they went to school. Too bad he just blew up Waldo so the player had to kill him. But let's still give the player a penalty because that soldier had a special role? No thank you. Wink

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331589]

Wed, 02 April 2014 00:16

Shanga

Messages:3479
Registered:January 2000
Location: Danubia

I see this as influencing battle outcome (sort of Total War style) - as if you don't really need to kill the entire squad to rout the enemy force, just the key elements.

Also, combined with class equipment this would be a nice way to have really good loot table - for example: need medpacks, kill a few medics, need a sniper rifle or a scope, focus on the sniper...

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331736]

Sun, 13 April 2014 22:54

Kaerar

Messages:2021
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

This is actually an awesome feature, it doesn't really affect difficulty or make things easier really either. You do know who to take down first but any JA2 player who isn't in their first game knows to go for that Sniper first!

Really like the icons too Smile

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331752]

Tue, 15 April 2014 06:16

Azure_Repeater

Messages:144
Registered:March 2014
Location: Philippines

I have a question: viewing their traits via tooltip (level 4(debug)) would be cheating?

Example 1:
You view the enemy's info via tooltips, then you see that he has the "deputy" trait, which means that he's an officer.

Example 2:
You view the enemy's info via tooltips, it says that he has the "radio operator" trait. Then, you know that he's a radio operator from the very beginning.

Tooltips might be considered an exploit when making attempts to discover their role.

Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331754]

Tue, 15 April 2014 09:43

DepressivesBrot

Messages:3653
Registered:July 2009

Of course they are, they are debug tools after all.

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331933]

Sat, 26 April 2014 17:26

veedotja2

Messages:85
Registered:April 2012
Location: New York

I can't change the values for enemy roles and other related settings in the INI Editor. All the sections in "Tactical Enemy Role Settings" show "MISSING: PROPERTY DESCRIPTION" when clicked and I can't change the values, there is no editing box.

I did a clean install over a new JA2 install of r7141 from so everything is new.

I got it from here: http://kermi.pp.fi/JA_2/v1.13_Releases/Unofficial/English/Depri/SCI_113/SCI_Unstable_Revision_7141_on_GameDir_2007.7z
and did a replace all over a clean game director, as I do with every release.

I changed all my usual settings without issue (turning off dirt, overheating, food, increasing suppression and gun damage).

I played a few sectors and took Drassen, the enemy role features appear to work well, but I saw odd movement behavior with the AI medics. I played about 10 battles.

I can dig in the INI files I suppose, I saw one in the Data-1.13 folder, but any idea why the INI Editor cannot simply edit these values? It would be better to be able to do INI changes in there and not in Notepad Smile

My goal is simply to disable enemy medics, not all of the enemy role features.

Corporal 1st Class

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #331957]

Sun, 27 April 2014 12:53

silversurfer

Messages:2791
Registered:May 2009

Flugente probably forgot to add the new parameters to INIEditorJA2Options.xml so the Ini editor doesn't know what to do with these parameters. For now you will have to change them with a text editor until the updated XML file is in the next SCI (or download it from SVN).

I just added the properties in GameDir 2021.

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #332049]

Thu, 01 May 2014 20:24

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Update: As or r7179, the there is a lower priority for enemy soldiers to become medics, as there were quite a lot of them later on. Also, the enemy generals feature is somewhat related to this feauture.

The rank symbols in all their glory:

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335543]

Sat, 06 September 2014 19:41

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

I have a question: if this is not implemented in stable 1.13(2014), how can I add it? Along with other new features (anti-mat. ammo, helicopter repair n refuel, spotter)

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335544]

Sat, 06 September 2014 19:43

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

You can get features not in stable '14 (those that are newer than 1st Jan '14) by either using an unstable release, or waiting for the next stable (perhaps around 2016 or so).

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335545]

Sat, 06 September 2014 21:08

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

eeeh, ok. I suppose that there will be some unstable versions until the next stable... or does such thing exist already?
EDIT: I mean version which has all ver2014 features plus these we discussed now

[Updated on: Sat, 06 September 2014 21:09] by Moderator

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335546]

Sat, 06 September 2014 21:15

DepressivesBrot

Messages:3653
Registered:July 2009

A few.

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335547]

Sat, 06 September 2014 21:30

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

Ok, I will ask differently then: Can I somehow manage to play version of 1.13 with features of newest stable version AND features developed by Flug which are not in stable version? If yes, How exactly?

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335548]

Sat, 06 September 2014 21:34

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Play unstable version.

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335552]

Sat, 06 September 2014 22:42

grim

Messages:344
Registered:July 2006
Location: France

... by clicking on Latest 1.13 builds link in DeppressiveBrot's signature and follow the instructions there (Hint : Get the latest SCI).

Master Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335582]

Sun, 07 September 2014 13:27

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

Thanks a lot Smile

I reinstalled JA2 Gold and downloaded biggest SCI pack. I noticed that AIM menu kits are changed from sapper sniper fastrope etc to kit 1 2 3... pity.
Anyway, how can I activate menu of this actual feature? I read that it's ctrl+c but it does nothing ingame. Do I have to somehow insert code somewhere to make these Flugs features work?

Sorry for all those questions, but I really just dont know :/

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335586]

Sun, 07 September 2014 14:22

Off_Topic

Messages:997
Registered:January 2009

It sounds like you may have downloaded the wrong sci, the Kits should be the same and Flug's features should be there and working (give or take the latest stuff).

What sci did you download?

First Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335587]

Sun, 07 September 2014 14:24

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

SCI_Unstable_Revision_6371_on_GameDir_1759.7z

...I aimed for biggest size, thought that would be latest.
I am really generally confused what version includes what feature and which mod can be played with which version etc:/ Perhaps I am in need of idiot's guide How to Very Happy

[Updated on: Sun, 07 September 2014 14:26] by Moderator

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335591]

Sun, 07 September 2014 14:37

Off_Topic

Messages:997
Registered:January 2009

I'm on mobile, so I can't check the sci.

With regard the mod compatibility, the stable version is just out, so give that time.

I think you need to settle on one way of playing and progress from there. You might be better off with the stable release.

What features are missing out on?

First Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335594]

Sun, 07 September 2014 14:52

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

I cannot acces Various menu to be a spotter or such. (If I understood your qiestion right)

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335599]

Sun, 07 September 2014 15:14

Off_Topic

Messages:997
Registered:January 2009

If you download Depri's latest sci, that should be there. I'll jump in a laptop after dinner and have a better look.

First Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335601]

Sun, 07 September 2014 15:42

grim

Messages:344
Registered:July 2006
Location: France

That's an old build, the latest is "SCI_Unstable_Revision_7476_on_GameDir_2138"
Get it here

[Updated on: Sun, 07 September 2014 15:42] by Moderator

Master Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #335602]

Sun, 07 September 2014 15:45

Messages:13
Registered:September 2014
Location: Slovakia

Thank you all, I understand now.

Private

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #352502 is a reply to message #335602]

Wed, 21 February 2018 20:46

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

While the practical use will not be obvious until later, as of r8523 & GamDir r2403 we will be able to see whether an enemy carries a key:

[Updated on: Wed, 21 February 2018 20:49]

I know now that it could never work between us, as much as we wanted to, it could never be! Not because you're a rabbit, but because you're black.

If you want, you can donate to me. This will not affect how and what I code, and I will not code specific features in return. I will be thankful though.

Captain

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #352510 is a reply to message #352502]

Thu, 22 February 2018 11:59

Elvis_A

Messages:282
Registered:December 2012
Location: exUSSR

woah. nice!
installing visual studio. will try to test new features

Master Sergeant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #364079 is a reply to message #352510]

Fri, 24 December 2021 02:47

neki

Messages:23
Registered:December 2021

When I play I see these ranks but don't know what they mean. Which of is the officer ect. Picture links here are broken they probably explained back then

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #364085 is a reply to message #364079]

Fri, 24 December 2021 09:57

Deleted.

Messages:2657
Registered:December 2012
Location: Russian Federation

Check this link
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=24616&goto=361490&#msg_361490

Left this community.

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: AI medics and officers[message #364104 is a reply to message #364085]

Wed, 29 December 2021 16:18

brianhill87

Messages:4
Registered:December 2021

A really great feature. I don't know why, but like the way doctors look more. Also like the smaller icons.