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I'm wondering about a couple of his (akados) remarks.

you said that SMG rounds weigh more than AR rounds? i'm not saying it ain't true, but looking at the volume/mass of a SMG/pistol round say a 9mm vs a 5.56mm Nato AR round.. well the AR round is a little less large in the diameter but is FAR taller. and though the actual bullet is again less in diameter it is also longer or seems that way visually. do you have any good links on the weight of rounds?

in your #4 you state that an ar is better because it penetrates better.. does this not esp in CQB actually become a penalty. Shooting through multiple walls and hitting civvys or flamable objects or other members of your team etc.




the 5.56 NATO round can have bullets as light as 30 grain and as heavy as 90 grains. M193 is a common military round and uses 55 grain projectile.

55 grain projectile + 90 grain brass case + 28 grains of gun powder = 173 grains total

9mm NATO rounds have bullets that generally run from 115 to 147 grains. 124 is a common 'best of both worlds' weight.

124 grain projectile + 60 grain brass case + 5 grains of gunpowder = 189 grains total

45 ACP rounds have bullets that generally run from 180-230 grains. 230 'US military ball' was the weight used in WW 2.

230 grain projectile + 90 grain brass case + 7 grains of gunpowder = 329 grains total.


Regarding penetration, overpenetration.

#1 flammable material does not ignite when shot unless a tracer round or incendiary round is used.

#2 when using conventional FMJ rounds both 9mm NATO and 5.56 NATO will penetrate more than 12 panels of sheet-rock, which equates to 6 internal walls (barring the round not hitting part of the frame or electrical system. Both are in extreme overpenetration category as far as walls, it doesn't really matter at this point if one can punch through 6 walls and one can do 9.

#3 when using HPs there is great variability, but when selecting rounds that have the least penetration of walls yet gives good terminal results 5.56 NATO actually penetrates LESS than the best 9mm NATO HP rounds...and yet still are better at defeating personal body armor.

Accidentally hitting non-combatants is not a function of CQB vs longer range, but a function of how many noncombatants are in close proximity to the enemy combatants. Aspects like increased accuracy and requiring fewer shots to put down the opposition makes it very difficult to judge which is actually better.

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