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Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons[message #325698]

Thu, 26 September 2013 01:56

Zundman7301

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Registered:June 2005
Location: USA

I completely agree that overheating should still be an issue with guns. It's such a great feature, and fun, that it would be a shame to make it "too real" (e.g.: not much of a problem).

I think balancing the gameplay with real life could be well achieved by slowing the overheating rate by 3-5x, but making damage done to the gun caused by overheating after that MUCH more severe, and making it PERMANENT (and/or fixable by a barrel swap)to simulate barrel/fire damage. I'd eliminate jamming altogether (except as a side-effect of normal "wear and tear" damage cause by the overheating itself, which seems plausible.) I think having guns do small amounts of damage to mercs per turn or SEVERELY affecting accuracy (to account for the weapon being too hot to handle) after the gun becomes EXTREMELY HOT (5-10 mags, maybe? We'd have to find the right balance), would also be a good way to model it in addition to the above.

I'm happy to go through and change the values on overheating for the different weapons based to some degree on their real-world counterparts. I wrote some of the 1.13 gun descriptions initially (in 2007 I think?, "Cousin Lester" was a creation of mine), and I've been meaning to go back through a rewrite some of the more 'vanilla' descriptions anyway. Your gun cooldown times seems accurate, for the most part. Once heated up, they DO take a while to cool back down again (sometimes 10-20 minutes).

As far as canteens go--yes. That's very real. I'm not a metallurgist, but I assume it's because the barrels are already rapid-cooled to begin with on their initial forging, so re-cooling them rapidly doesn't realign their molecular structure in any significant way (e.g.: the metal's already been changed in that way by the initial forger). Regardless, troops are trained to do it, and have been doing so since the invention of the first air-cooled machine guns nearly 100 years ago. It's still done today, and almost ubiquitously whenever a gun needs emergency cooling. In fact, when soldiers don't want to use their water, they pee on it. Smile

True story. People also do it all the time in competition shooting without a problem. I hear that rapid water cooling isn't the BEST for the gun in the VERY long term life of the gun (better to air cool), but in terms of short term functionality or damage, or even the average life of the gun, it's not a problem.

I've never served in the military, so that's cool you did your time. Props to you for gutting it out Smile

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		New feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Wed, 14 December 2011 23:53
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Thu, 15 December 2011 00:02
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Off_Topic on Thu, 15 December 2011 22:28
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 02:41
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Headrock on Fri, 16 December 2011 05:19
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Wil473 on Fri, 16 December 2011 05:35
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: knightofni on Fri, 16 December 2011 08:06
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 11:23
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 16 December 2011 11:38
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 14:51
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Fri, 16 December 2011 15:02
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 16 December 2011 15:04
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Fri, 16 December 2011 15:28
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Headhunter on Fri, 16 December 2011 15:37
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 16:07
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 16:34
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 16 December 2011 17:04
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Fri, 16 December 2011 17:33
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 18:01
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 16 December 2011 18:08
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Wil473 on Fri, 16 December 2011 19:49
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 16 December 2011 22:17
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 16 December 2011 22:50
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: ChonkE on Tue, 27 December 2011 05:51
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Tue, 27 December 2011 17:13
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 29 December 2011 02:22
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: TClaymore on Mon, 09 January 2012 22:44
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Mon, 09 January 2012 22:54
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: PasHancock on Mon, 09 January 2012 22:58
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: TClaymore on Tue, 10 January 2012 04:06
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: PasHancock on Tue, 10 January 2012 08:37
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: usrbid on Tue, 10 January 2012 11:58
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Tue, 10 January 2012 18:24
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Sat, 11 February 2012 00:36
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sun, 19 February 2012 20:08
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Thu, 23 February 2012 01:02
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 23 February 2012 04:31
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: derek on Thu, 23 February 2012 12:33
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Thu, 23 February 2012 18:53
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 24 February 2012 01:56
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sandro on Sat, 25 February 2012 18:08
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sandro on Sun, 04 March 2012 17:41
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sun, 04 March 2012 23:15
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Kaerar on Sun, 04 March 2012 23:56
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Mon, 05 March 2012 00:39
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: JMich on Wed, 07 March 2012 23:09
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: wanne (aka RoWa21) on Wed, 07 March 2012 23:15
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 08 March 2012 00:07
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 08 March 2012 20:10
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Thu, 15 March 2012 13:10
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sun, 18 March 2012 18:40
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sun, 18 March 2012 18:49
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Tue, 20 March 2012 00:09
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Tue, 20 March 2012 05:00
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Fozzie on Tue, 20 March 2012 12:14
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Tue, 20 March 2012 20:15
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Tue, 20 March 2012 20:41
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Tue, 20 March 2012 21:37
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Tue, 20 March 2012 23:53
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Fozzie on Wed, 21 March 2012 10:37
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Randok on Wed, 21 March 2012 10:49
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Wed, 21 March 2012 14:46
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Wed, 21 March 2012 21:30
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Thu, 22 March 2012 00:57
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sandro on Thu, 22 March 2012 01:16
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 22 March 2012 01:19
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 22 March 2012 01:40
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sandro on Thu, 22 March 2012 02:25
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Thu, 22 March 2012 08:49
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: wanne (aka RoWa21) on Thu, 22 March 2012 09:20
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sandro on Thu, 22 March 2012 19:49
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Kaerar on Fri, 23 March 2012 06:11
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 23 March 2012 21:42
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 23 March 2012 21:59
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Gambigobilla on Fri, 23 March 2012 22:09
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sandro on Fri, 23 March 2012 23:42
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: The_Bob on Sun, 25 March 2012 10:24
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 30 March 2012 23:33
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Sun, 01 April 2012 19:16
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sun, 01 April 2012 20:22
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 01 April 2012 21:35
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Mon, 02 April 2012 16:04
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Mon, 02 April 2012 16:25
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Mon, 02 April 2012 21:31
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: LootFragg on Tue, 03 April 2012 01:20
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 06 April 2012 23:26
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 08 April 2012 21:56
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sun, 08 April 2012 22:02
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Kaerar on Sun, 08 April 2012 23:02
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: cnagorneac on Tue, 15 May 2012 10:59
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: JMich on Tue, 15 May 2012 11:54
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: cnagorneac on Tue, 15 May 2012 12:40
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: DepressivesBrot on Tue, 15 May 2012 13:15
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Tue, 15 May 2012 21:10
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: cnagorneac on Tue, 15 May 2012 21:31
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sat, 04 August 2012 19:48
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Sat, 25 August 2012 19:21
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Zundman7301 on Wed, 25 September 2013 21:20
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Wed, 25 September 2013 21:35
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Zundman7301 on Thu, 26 September 2013 01:56
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Zundman7301 on Thu, 26 September 2013 04:40
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Faalagorn on Thu, 26 September 2013 12:52
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: silversurfer on Thu, 26 September 2013 14:09
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Thu, 26 September 2013 16:54
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Uriens on Thu, 26 September 2013 19:50
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Zundman7301 on Thu, 26 September 2013 21:33
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 26 September 2013 22:09
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Zundman7301 on Thu, 26 September 2013 23:48
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Thu, 26 September 2013 23:56
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Zundman7301 on Fri, 27 September 2013 00:02
		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Sam Hotte on Fri, 27 September 2013 00:18
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		Re: Feature: Overheating Weapons By: Flugente on Fri, 27 September 2013 02:00
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