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Re: Grenades (Mk2 Grenades, Mini Grenades) are useless?[message #336360]

Wed, 01 October 2014 12:19

silversurfer

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Strohmann

Source of these values?

For the Mk2 I used the link sepa posted. The Mk2 are rather old and there are modern replacements that emit much more fragments at a smaller radius for better coverage and less danger to own troops.

For the M406 40mm HE grenade I got the info from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M79_grenade_launcher

Unfortunately I couldn't find info about number of fragments for the other explosives.

Strohmann

It could be considered to drop the raw damage values of fragmenting explosives to weaken them against vehicles.

The raw damage comes from the blast of the charge and is already low enough. Also the blast radius is smaller than the radius for the fragments.

Strohmann

It seems if someone steps onto a mine, he's considered the center of the explosion and "absorbs" all fragments, so using fragments actually weakens mines against multiple targets.

When someone steps onto a mine he will certainly lose his foot or more but he will not "absorb all fragments". There are different types of mines. Even blast mines will create "fragments", be it stones from the soil it was buried in or bones and equipment parts from the victim.
The picture of the land mines in Ja2 refers to a blast mine but the description says it's a frag mine. Frag mines are not buried in the soil like in Ja2, they are above ground to be effective (the Claymore is a frag mine btw.).
After some consideration I would say that our "Land Mine" is a blast mine and we should fix the description and maybe add a small number of fragments to simulate the debris flying around.

Strohmann

Tank value seems very low, isn't it 90mm+ caliber? Also doesn't it rely more on pressure (translating into raw damage) than fragmentation?

There are different types of tank grenades. Some of them will not produce any fragments others will produce some. I think that Deidranna's army is using multi purpose grenades because they are fighting soft targets. However I have no idea how many fragments they emit. I chose a medium value because the grenades explode on a surface and therefore a lot of the fragments are already absorbed by whatever is hit by the grenade.

Strohmann

43mm HE Grenade raw damage value should go up if the other get fragments.

A little maybe. The raw damage comes from the charge inside and that is not much bigger than the 40mm grenades. Damage could be upped to 32 to get them in line with the VOG-25.

edit:
Hahaha, the new data leads to funny comments by my team members because some fragments passed them at close range. :rofl:

Fragments do not cause much damage but still it helps to suppress the enemy.

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