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Thu, 17 January 2019 12:13  
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Quote: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
Quote:interested in, as a properly paid-for casual job, doing this as a project
Quote:If so, please feel free to contact me either privately or how you prefer.
Shanga wrote on Thu, 17 January 2019 02:02
And I do think encourage contract negotiations to be actually held outside Bear's Pit forums (or at least in private messages). It's better that way for a multitude of reasons.
Quote:I think first a general discussion on what's actually possible is needed and this is what's happening.
Shanga, so if it actually important to you for a multitude of reasons, maybe it should be edited to remove a direct mentions of payment proposal at all (as it doesnt seems to happens anyway, as he evade a direct question already), and keep some vague innuendoes about possibility of it instead? Will help both with a "multitude of reasons" and will keep it in desired way of "general discussion on what's actually possible is needed" (with topic name currently being misleading about) instead of discussion about "what is your proposed budget for a stated task so we {ones who will be actually involved in} can discuss your project further" (with topic name currently is actually about it).
jpanic wrote on Thu, 17 January 2019 01:13Janh,
My post was to open communications and not set out the terms of an offer capable of acceptance. I'm not proposing anyone start work for an "undisclosed fee" as my expectation is that all details would be agreed before work started. I am not asking for people to accept the arrangement would be credible simply because I say so on the internet, I would be happy to arrange a contract and funds in escrow once it was agreed.
That's right, you opened a communication without offering a clear offer (nothing essentially bad on its own yet), then after i tried to communicate you into naming that offer (as it simply needed to see if there is any reason to continue communication or not), you went into various ways of open communications about stuff instead of actual communication of naming it (and this is looking as if you already evading a first direct question about project asked, so not really good at all).
You not proposed to "start work for an "undisclosed fee" (very bad!)" ill clarify if it could been read this way from my message. You propose to come to you to discuss a possible start of such work with you (not really bad, but just silly enough, without a chance anyone decent will do so).
"You would be happy to arrange a contract and funds in escrow once it was agreed" (and its obviously implied as default), but you make impossible to agree it; as you keep your terms closed, and from your way of evading an answers, it really start to looks like you plan to reveal a budget after agreement (both a nonsense on its own and contradict your own "I'm not proposing anyone start work for an "undisclosed fee""), or you would made it public already (if not on your own way, but at least when i asked about).
So id suggest to make a clear full proposal first.
Ill make example - suppose i want to issue a task of washing my car (paid job) here. Without a naming a budget is really useless for all, if only due readers live various places etc. But it all come into budget, if budget (for my own weird reasons) is some fucknillion of $, maybe it would be of interest even in case of need to travel between continents (as work is easy and payment is high). But it will be a real waste of everyone time if it will turn to numerous PM conversations between me and potential "developers" about "yes, i really mean its couple of $, and yes, it means you have to go my place for it, if you dont like it - fine, no deal for us, thanks for your wasted time, mate".
Deal is any decent developer already will drop you (me, in an example above) after max one try to clarify a vague offer. As im sorta casual developer, i did 2 tries.
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Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: jpanic on Tue, 15 January 2019 01:12 |
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By: Shanga on Tue, 15 January 2019 14:16 |
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By: jpanic on Wed, 16 January 2019 00:59 |
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By: Shanga on Wed, 16 January 2019 18:32 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: Jahh on Wed, 16 January 2019 20:37 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: jpanic on Thu, 17 January 2019 01:13 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: Shanga on Thu, 17 January 2019 02:02 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: ZedJA2 on Thu, 17 January 2019 03:22 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: jpanic on Thu, 17 January 2019 08:21 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: Jahh on Thu, 17 January 2019 12:13 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: Shanga on Fri, 18 January 2019 17:15 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: Jahh on Fri, 18 January 2019 19:09 |
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Re: Launcher/Updater (paid job)
By: Jahh on Tue, 15 January 2019 14:56 |
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