typedef struct
{
	UINT8 uCalibre;
	UINT8 uAmmoType;
} LOADED_BULLET;

std::list	mBulletList;

• The idea of mixing calibers may sound neat, but it would, at the current state, be utterly meaningless. The only thing calibers currently do is limit which gun can take what magazine, and have different names. If you tell the M82 to be of calibre .38, it will happily be so, range and damage will be the same, as they only depend on the gun.
  
  Seriously, why do people hammer at the magazine system, when the current way of calibers is way more out of line?
  
  What should be done before even touching NMS should be a New Calibre System:
  
  Every calibre has values for base damage, base range, and base accuracy. Ammo types stay roughly as they are. A gun gets values that modify a bullets values, so modifiers for range, damage, accuracy.
  That way, an M16 can still hit longer and harder than an M4. At the same time, if it can magically shoot .38 (because the modder says so), the .38 bullets it shoots will fly farther than if they were shot from a revolver, but still less so than the 5.56 bullets it shoots.
  This has numerous advantages in my view. For example, if one wanted to improve shotgun damage due to his personal preference, you'd only have to alter one value.
• While the idea of having a separate bullet in the chamber may sound pretty neat, it will become pretty annoying. If I put a 30-rnd mag into a an M16, I would expect to be get a 30-rnd magazine if I unload it. And not having to unlaod it again somehow to get a single bullet that I then have to put into the magazine. Yes, I know this is exactly what happens if I load a gun and load a bullet, have done that myself, thank you. But this is insanely tedious.
  
  What? Have a separate action to actually load the bullet into the chamber? Do you know how tedious this will become? Do you demand separate keys to control left and right foot movement during ego-shooters? Forget it
  
  --half-schizophrenic rant is over--
  
• If a magazine is loaded with different ammotypes, how are you supposed to know what you are firing? A dialogue that displays every single bullet would be needed. Furthermore, do we even want that? This is unrealistic^2. If one loads a mag with bullets and then loads that, you have no way of seeing the bullets. No, see-through magazines do not let you view the chambered bullet. Take that, realism-lovers :armsfolded:
  
• Loading a mixed magazine will be tedious, both coding it and doing so. To even have a minimal degree of comfort, one 'd need a monster of dialogue, with insane amount of coding (at least with the dialogue system we are stuck with). 'Loading Templates' might ease that, but not much.
  How is that whole loading business supposed to anyway? I would outright refuse to use a system where I have to load every magazine of every gun of every of the 32 mercs I have. This is like farming items, but less fun.
  
• Mixed mags would be useless given the current code. A bullet does not remember its ammotype. Currently, whenever a bullet hits something, we check who fired it, look at his weapon, determine what ammotype it currently uses, and use that. Can relatively easy be fixed by adding the ammotype to the bullet-structure, but is worth remembering.
  
• Add lots of pain for coders and modders everywhere due to the fact that the current system still has to coexist with this, which creates numerous headaches I don't even want to think about.
  
• This system is incompatible with OAS, as we only have 4 attachments there, and one would be needed for the magazine always. Though I'd say if someone is purist enough to demand to play with OAS, he will propably also skip this anyway. Not to mention true purists play with 2085, because back then, everything was better :rant2: :silly:
  (No pun on newer forum members intended)
  
• As Bob mentioned it: odd stuff, like magazines loading LIFO, FILO or completely weird ways (Neostead), is always there to further complicate things. FILO and LIFO could be treated relatively easy though.

I remember seeing this in that game... Didn't bother to actually learn to use it though. I meant a JA2-like mock-up though. Ideas on how to deal with 5-shot clips and 200round belts without making it look silly at either extreme, as well as keeping it manageable.

For example, it's clear we have generic mags and put ammo in them, but what about ammo belts (do they need links or just the box), weapons loaded with loose rounds (how do we persist loading order), what about beta-mags (do they need adapters?) and other special cases.

• Double Barreled Shotguns:
  Debatable if they need special treatment, having the second barrel as a one shot magazine would be sufficient to keep the beloved pseudo double blast.
• KSG, SRM 1216, Jungle Style:
  An old fan favorite and some recent developments, the outstanding feature being that 1)some manual interaction is required to use the complete magazine capacity (quick reload in case of the JS, rotating the mag bundle on the SRM ... four times and flipping the selector to the second tube on the KSG) and 2)the magazine 'parts' can hold different loadouts.
• NeoStead, UTS-15:
  Is it me or did that list grow since we last had the discussion? These are a lot like the above, with the added feature of being able to feed alternately from both tubes. Those last two systems add so much complication that I think they should be left out of the initial stage entirely, instead using a normal, high capacity mag.

If a magazine is loaded with different ammotypes, how are you supposed to know what you are firing? A dialogue that displays every single bullet would be needed. Furthermore, do we even want that? This is unrealistic^2. If one loads a mag with bullets and then loads that, you have no way of seeing the bullets. No, see-through magazines do not let you view the chambered bullet. Take that, realism-lovers

While the idea of having a separate bullet in the chamber may sound pretty neat, it will become pretty annoying. If I put a 30-rnd mag into a an M16, I would expect to be get a 30-rnd magazine if I unload it. And not having to unlaod it again somehow to get a single bullet that I then have to put into the magazine. Yes, I know this is exactly what happens if I load a gun and load a bullet, have done that myself, thank you. But this is insanely tedious.

While the idea of having a separate bullet in the chamber may sound pretty neat, it will become pretty annoying. If I put a 30-rnd mag into a an M16, I would expect to be get a 30-rnd magazine if I unload it. And not having to unlaod it again somehow to get a single bullet that I then have to put into the magazine. Yes, I know this is exactly what happens if I load a gun and load a bullet, have done that myself, thank you. But this is insanely tedious.

Loose Ammunition:
'Pile of Ammo' is preferable to the point of being a no-brainer due to the significant resource savings. Should come with a money-deduct mechanic to split when needed.
Magazines and Clips:
At the end of the day, there are only Clips and Magazines. For the purpose of implementation, a belt is a magazine*. Unless you want to add another layer of complications, all belts are non-disintegrating. A Garand clip is also a Magazine in this light. C-Mags are yet another magazine, no adapters needed. Loading order is always LIFO, it's set by the magazines and the belts and clips don't care, so they follow. A clip is a magazine that doesn't attach to a gun but instead only deposits ammo to another magazine faster than you can reload one at a time.
General Gun Types:
For the purpose of this discussion, we'll only differentiate between open bolt and closed bolt (closed bolt can hold one round without any kind of magazine, open can't) and internal vs. detachable magazine. I tend towards making internal mags simply inseparable attachments, for consistency and treating them all the same internally. Which leaves us with only two types of guns to consider, yay!
Special Cases:
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Are there people still downloading new builds of 1.13 that insist on OIV, OAS, and will also want an OMS?

Whatever we do, vanilla still has to be playable. This is fundamental. This is the reason we still carry about 640x480 resolution and still maintain old traits and such. Not doing so would result in 1.13 not being an improvement of JA2, but merely a (very detailed and complex) mod. This is the reason any feature should be optional. This is also the reason some stuff does NOT belong in the trunk. Otherwise it becomes a software cemetery where any new code is just dumped into for the sake of having more code.

... A bunch of good points ...

Regarding that video: Eh, where is the 'load every single bullet into the mag' part? Isn't that what apparently would be the point of the entire thing? All I've seen is mags and loading mags with bullets at once, or did I miss something important? No offense to the mod though.

Manual chambering already happens on many shotguns and sniper rifles, so this isn't new (nowadays, might have been in '05).

So, just to be clear: You people want a system that adds nothing new, but requires having additional items during reloading, for absolutely no gain? I guess I am asking the same thing over and over, because I just can't grasp it.

Do be able to do multiple ammo types in 1 gun (E.G. .38s in .357s) there would have to be a massive code change to move some of the damage/range/accuracy calculations onto the bullet and off of the gun. I tried to play around with that idea but it is rather disgusting.

EDIT:
Oh my god! I just watch the video and the silencer was attached to the Glock and the image of the Glock changed to show the silencer!!!! What do I need to do to get that implemented? (I know it is off topic of this thread but it was on the video)