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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170667]

Sun, 13 January 2008 22:34

afp

Messages:76
Registered:November 2007

you changed the ranges?
there may also be some limitation into the code, like the bullet distance over 200 means out of the map or something..

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170669]

Sun, 13 January 2008 22:39

redgun

Messages:190
Registered:March 2007
Location: Austria

I changed the ranges. it worked perfectly in a standard size map A9 (110x110) but it wouldn't work with the new map A10 (880x880) which was just a plain desert floor testmap.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170671]

Sun, 13 January 2008 22:49

afp

Messages:76
Registered:November 2007

There are some limitations in 1.13 code related to the map dimension, for future references here they are:

los.cpp - line 3067:
if ( pBullet->iCurrTileX < 0 || pBullet->iCurrTileX >= WORLD_COLS || pBullet->iCurrTileY < 0 || pBullet->iCurrTileY >= WORLD_ROWS )

worlddef.h definitions:
#define WORLD_COLS 160
#define WORLD_ROWS 160
#define WORLD_COORD_COLS 1600
#define WORLD_COORD_ROWS 1600
#define WORLD_MAX 25600
#define CELL_X_SIZE 10
#define CELL_Y_SIZE 10

There may be a lot others, but this seems to be enough to know that is unlikely to work without performing chages at code level. I think these are related to map dimensions.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170674]

Sun, 13 January 2008 23:02

redgun

Messages:190
Registered:March 2007
Location: Austria

thank you for your help afp.
I was using the big-maps exe which should get rid of all these limitations (at least that's what i thought it would)

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170768]

Mon, 14 January 2008 14:52

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

We've changed those defines to resize the maps, but probably didn't find everything.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170771]

Mon, 14 January 2008 14:58

redgun

Messages:190
Registered:March 2007
Location: Austria

I guess, right now there are more important things to fix?

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #170773]

Mon, 14 January 2008 15:01

afp

Messages:76
Registered:November 2007

lalienxx

We've changed those defines to resize the maps, but probably didn't find everything.

It's very hard to find all references, I can understand, some others may be hardcoded elswhere...

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173406]

Mon, 28 January 2008 18:40

Kaerar

Messages:2044
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

tbird94lx

good god i agree with majek..if a map goes from 1600 metres to 16000 metres(example) it dosnt mean your weapon that say a C7 for example..400 metres...dosnt suddenly get to shoot 4000 metres..but..fine tuning that 400 metres to actaully represent 400 metres is cool..you wouldnt notice range difference much but it would be fine tuned in ways only the turbo-nerds would notice

Yeah but with a 1:2 perspective the game would be more fun and allow for much higher resolutions (except for those with eyesight probs Wink

I for one would love to see the game in 1280x1024 res. But a lot of gaming rigs are 1600x1200 or higher now! with 1600x1200 you could see a huge amount of the sector (double 800x600 funnily enough) and it would allow the widescreens to get a look it too. The biggest issue would be sight range and the lower resolutions. If sight range was scaled to resolution and the modifier per sector too (so you can change between 1:10, 1:5, and 1:2) then it would be a lot more effective.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173409]

Mon, 28 January 2008 18:52

Majek

Messages:441
Registered:January 2003
Location: Slovenia

IN 1600x1200 or even 1080p HD ( 1920

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173413]

Mon, 28 January 2008 19:00

Kaerar

Messages:2044
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

Yeah I know what ya mean Majek Wink

The biggest being the image sizes and GUI.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173416]

Mon, 28 January 2008 19:06

Majek

Messages:441
Registered:January 2003
Location: Slovenia

Actually the biggest problem is the accuracy of the cursor when handling doors, containers,... especially in smaller rooms where they're next to each other.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173420]

Mon, 28 January 2008 19:19

Marlboro Man

Messages:1202
Registered:October 2005
Location: USA

If you want small, then play microsofts Close Combat series of games. Which btw were very good games and fun to play.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173469]

Tue, 29 January 2008 00:17

redgun

Messages:190
Registered:March 2007
Location: Austria

I'd absolutely love to see a 3840x1024 or a 3072x768 resolution. but i also know that it is noth worth the effort, unless it was realy easy to add new resolutions.

i'm still for a 1:1 scale, or as the best solution a range modifier in the ini.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #173486]

Tue, 29 January 2008 02:58

Kaerar

Messages:2044
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

Because the interface doesn't scale new resolutions have to be hand made each time. I don't see why the Sector map can't be enlarged though...

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #180540]

Tue, 08 April 2008 16:06

Mauser

Messages:770
Registered:August 2006
Location: Bavaria - Germany

so guys, is this bigger maps thingie going anywhere lately? is progress made in any form?

and if massively larger maps (8x - 10x) might be problematic, why not try to make double sized maps possible first?

after all, a doubled map size would allow for far more possibilities for modders to create much more realistic maps and town sectors. the bigger scale would allow for much better sniper maps and bigger battles in general. proper bases, camps and fortifications could be modeled, as well as better and bigger airports etc.

can anyone say if this is doable?

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #180986]

Sat, 12 April 2008 04:27

Kaiden

Messages:510
Registered:September 2003

@Mauser, the larger maps are already doable. lalienx already released a map editor capable of 320x320 which is exactly double the map size.

I don't think his version is compatible with the latest SVN releases though. I beleive he was waiting on the NIV project to be merged in and released, before he continued work. So... if you've got a version from roughly Aug-07, it should be compatable with his EXE's and you can test and help further this project by making some maps, and noting any bugs, etc...

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181018]

Sat, 12 April 2008 10:20

Khor1255

Messages:1825
Registered:August 2003
Location: Pleasantville, NJ

If anyone does a bigmap editor, let me know how you did this so I can maybe plunk around with it myself.

I will be out on the road again and will need something else to occupy my time.

Thanx

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181040]

Sat, 12 April 2008 14:42

Marlboro Man

Messages:1202
Registered:October 2005
Location: USA

Khor1255

If anyone does a bigmap editor, let me know how you did this so I can maybe plunk around with it myself.

I will be out on the road again and will need something else to occupy my time.

Thanx

Download it from Lalien's 1st post of this thread.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181053]

Sat, 12 April 2008 15:51

Khor1255

Messages:1825
Registered:August 2003
Location: Pleasantville, NJ

I'm guessing the Ja2 v1.13.1111BM En.rar refers to the earliest big map .exe that needs the 1111 build of the v1.13 to run and that others need that corresponding .exe so I am asking who has all of this or what version is the right one to build this map editor on?

I do not want to start reporting bugs because of a faulty install and when I am out on the road will likely not be able to download big files so I need to get this running in the next week or I am probably a no go here.

Thanx for any tips or especially full install links.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181060]

Sat, 12 April 2008 16:04

Mauser

Messages:770
Registered:August 2006
Location: Bavaria - Germany

@ Kaiden: ok, thanks for the info. i

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181064]

Sat, 12 April 2008 16:26

Marlboro Man

Messages:1202
Registered:October 2005
Location: USA

Khor1255

I'm guessing the Ja2 v1.13.1111BM En.rar refers to the earliest big map .exe that needs the 1111 build of the v1.13 to run and that others need that corresponding .exe so I am asking who has all of this or what version is the right one to build this map editor on?

I do not want to start reporting bugs because of a faulty install and when I am out on the road will likely not be able to download big files so I need to get this running in the next week or I am probably a no go here.

Thanx for any tips or especially full install links.

Now that NIV is part of SVN, maybe Lalien will do a new .exe soon. But as to your other questions, I don't know because I have not had anytime to play around with it.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181066]

Sat, 12 April 2008 16:37

the scorpion

Messages:1837
Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

would be good to get the big maps editor up to latest version.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181075]

Sat, 12 April 2008 17:28

Kaiden

Messages:510
Registered:September 2003

@Mauser, it was posted earlier in this thread, that the maps don't have to be the same size.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181267]

Sun, 13 April 2008 22:36

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

Mauser

@ Kaiden: ok, thanks for the info. i

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181289]

Mon, 14 April 2008 04:31

Kaiden

Messages:510
Registered:September 2003

@lalienxx, is this in your branch? And if so, is there any other code there other than the big maps project?

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181389]

Mon, 14 April 2008 22:36

Mauser

Messages:770
Registered:August 2006
Location: Bavaria - Germany

@ Kauden & lalienxx: thanks for the info. i will look into it in due time.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #181747]

Wed, 16 April 2008 22:30

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

Kaiden

@lalienxx, is this in your branch? And if so, is there any other code there other than the big maps project?

No it's in NewMaps branch: https://81.169.133.124/source/ja2/branches/NewMaps/

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182405]

Mon, 21 April 2008 21:50

storytime

Messages:19
Registered:March 2004
Location: Ontario

I would test, but I use SVN. Crying or Very Sad

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182441]

Tue, 22 April 2008 12:18

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

I've started updating the code to a revision before NIV merge. When it goes well I'll put a new exe for you to test. If someone wants to help out in coding mail me or posta message here.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182442]

Tue, 22 April 2008 12:46

Randok

Messages:305
Registered:March 2004

Hi
I have idea for my big mod. Can you to do it for:
- biger sector 5 scrrens x 4 screens ( 1024x768 ) - now is about 3 screens x 2 screens
- biger map 16 sectors ( horizontally ) x 40 sectors ( vertical )
Thanks for answer.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182444]

Tue, 22 April 2008 12:57

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

The mod is still not finished, but you can already create maps of any size.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182445]

Tue, 22 April 2008 13:04

Randok

Messages:305
Registered:March 2004

Where is/are ( every ) place/s in which I must change parametrs for sector and maps?

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182588]

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:36

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

Randok

Where is/are ( every ) place/s in which I must change parametrs for sector and maps?

In map editor when creating a new map you can select map size.

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #182589]

Wed, 23 April 2008 15:38

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

New (still buggy) exe:

http://81.169.133.124/~lalien/release/New_exes/JA2%20v1.13.1870BM_EN.rar
http://81.169.133.124/~lalien/release/New_exes/ja2_debug_v1.13_BM_en.rar

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #191338]

Mon, 21 July 2008 00:59

codin

Messages:3
Registered:October 2006
Location: Romania

Is this mod going to be 'default' in newer versions of the 1.3 project, or a side-project? Being default will def be cool!

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #191481]

Tue, 22 July 2008 10:28

BulletSix

Messages:46
Registered:October 2005
Location: Germany

yep ... in conjunction with a stable and crash-resistand map editor Wink

with expanded Templates (e.g. sandbags and fences and barbed wire in more of them) Wink

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #191843]

Sat, 26 July 2008 14:43

redgun

Messages:190
Registered:March 2007
Location: Austria

what map editor to i use in order to create bigger maps?

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #194256]

Sun, 17 August 2008 17:08

Arquebus

Messages:68
Registered:June 2008
Location: Oslo Norway

Is this Project still alive and kicking?

Is the aim of this one tile = one square meter?

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #194311]

Mon, 18 August 2008 12:01

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

redgun

what map editor to i use in order to create bigger maps?

Editor with big maps support: Map_Editor_v1.13.1292BM in http://81.169.133.124/~lalien/release/New_exes

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Re: Big Maps Project[message #194314]

Mon, 18 August 2008 12:20

lalienxx

Messages:84
Registered:February 2006

Arquebus

Is this Project still alive and kicking?

The project is frozen until I have more time for it or somebody wants to help.

Arquebus

Is the aim of this one tile = one square meter?

Yes, to make the game more realistic. Well actually one tile is = one square meter in almost all calculations except of weapon and sight ranges. When big maps are working weapon and sight ranges could be increased to be more realistic.

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