| Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #226497]
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Thu, 09 July 2009 20:27 
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Heya,
Is there any GOOD overview of ALL Merc Relationships out there?
I know about pro edit, and yeah, you can look up single things, but you don't really get a good overview. Apart from that I don't really know how to interprete some of the entries (like nationalities, if the both russians one can hate are listened as hated mercs anyways (Gasket)).
The best "overview" i could find till now is http://www.jaggedalliance.de/ja2/soldner/ginfo.shtml
It's one sided though. For example Gasket hates Igor and Ivan, but he does not appear anywhere on Ivans profile.
So, is there any complete overview out there? Otherwise I threaten you to make one myself! 
For this I'd like to know though If anything in addition to the buddy/hated in the merc edit is of relevance.
Edit: The current link for the overview I made is: http://ndnw.net/JA2/relationships.html
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #226688]
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Sat, 11 July 2009 00:54 
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| gmonk |
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Messages:670
Registered:April 2002
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Something like this maybe?
I've shared it here as well in case JA Galaxy is down.
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #226690]
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Sat, 11 July 2009 01:16
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| Kordanor |
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Yeah, that's a nice one. But now as I am on it, I will finish what I begun.
It's really fun, quite like solving I gigantic puzzle...
When I am finished you'll see what I mean. ^^
Edit: Ah, and as I am writing here. If anyone knows where to get a nice freeware Jagged Alliance like font, please PM me.
Edit2: Larry isn't listed on this sheet though. Especially Larry is one of the most interesting discoveries for me. Did you know that Larry and Biff are friends? You probably did. But did you know that Biff does not like Larry anymore if he is drugged again? ^^
And in addition to that it's vice versa with Static. He only likes Larry drugged. Bad boy.
Also great is that Gasked likes Vicky but Vicky hates him. ^^
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #226735]
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Sat, 11 July 2009 13:00
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| Kordanor |
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<<<
Sorry, havent.
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That is why I wrote "Especially Larry is one of the most interesting discoveries for me"
I apologize, that I haven't spent my whole life playing this game. 
Actually I was disappointed at first about the Release of JA2, played much more JA1 and JA DG before then Ja2. Anyways, that's a different story.
After I sat on it the last 20 hours I am finally finished. Don't know if there is much use of it or not. At least it was fun to make it (not the flash thingy though).
At first I tried to just connect all mercs to anyone they have a connecton (like/hate) with, but it didn't take long till I realized, that it's simply too much and not managable. First I tried to sort out some of the most hated guys. But I think nobody will build a group around the biggest cluster of hate. So I started making 2 "maps" - one with friendships and the oder one with hostility. Wile doing that I got the Idea to implement mouseovers for the Friendship map, so that you cann still see likes/dislikes almost at once.
The final Result is:
http://ndnw.piranho.de/JA2/relationships.html
if you dont have such a high resolution, just try to open the flash file itself at http://ndnw.piranho.de/JA2/big.swf
Important! - Click into the flash application once, so that mouseovers get activated.
Hope that at least some of you like it. ^^
And I hope I didn't make any additional mistakes. The ones I found were already a pain in the ass to fix.
I will finally go to bed now, 12 am here. 
EDIT: 20.7.2009
Deleted Link to Hostility Map, as there were several errors and won't be updated. Though all the information is included in the relationships file (where it was also corrected).
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #227041]
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Mon, 13 July 2009 23:52
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| Agnostik |
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I had a lot of fun with a group consisting of Hitman, Raider and Raven. Hitman and Raider hate each other's guts, but they both love Raven, and therefore agree to stay just because of her.
As for other relationships, there are not only love/hate between certain mercs, there are also several factors (based on personality traits) that affect morale.
For example, in 1.13 I had a group consisting of Gaston, Fox, Buzz and Ira (basically, I just wanted to hear Gaston's "love" lines towards Fox and Buzz, and Ira just tagged along). Gaston was obviously on top of the world (high morale throughout the game), Buzz and Fox were also okay, but Ira constantly had low morale, even though she doesn't hate any of these mercs personally.
I've pretty much memorized all love/hate relationships in the game, but these additional factors are not easy to figure out. Someone should do a research (I'm too lazy).
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #227055]
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Tue, 14 July 2009 00:43
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| Headrock |
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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem |
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Quote:
As for other relationships, there are not only love/hate between certain mercs, there are also several factors (based on personality traits) that affect morale.
As far as I know, personality traits have nothing to do with it. I've researched this stuff (I wasn't lazy). Neither does nationality, sex, or race.
Gaston has an extremely high opinion of Fox (+25, which is the same as a buddy merc as far as morale goes), which is only slightly mitigated by a -5 towards Ira. Morale for Gaston stabilizes at +70 in your team, and if you remove Ira, he will stabilize at 75. This is barring any strategic/combat effects, of course. Also Gaston will eventually learn to like Buzz, so...
In comparison, Buzz has -1 against Ira; Fox has -3 against Ira, which is mitigated by a +1 for Buzz; and Ira suffers -5 from Fox. That's why Ira has the lowest morale in your team.
To see these values, open up Proedit and click "show opinions". It's all listed there.
Quote:And for those who demand to know anything before, so they could "tune" their game in advance.
People should be able cheat if they want to. Most people won't, anyway. It's certainly not a reason to keep the data hidden.
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #227247]
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Wed, 15 July 2009 13:43
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| Will Gates |
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[color:#33CC00]MARRYING OFF A FEMALE MERC
Well, I said I was going to explain merc behaviour traits, and this may be a nice simple example
for one of them. The "sexist" property can be seen in PROEDIT, and has four settings:
Not Sexist
Somewhat Sexist
Very Sexist
Gentleman
When you marry one of your female mercs to the Hicks near Cambria, some members of the group may
suffer morale loss as a result. Surprisingly, buddies don't come into play here, but sexism,
gender, and hatred do.
In this formula, "MERC_to_Check" is the person whose reaction we are trying to determine.
"Married_Merc" is Flo. Or, whoever you chose to leave with the filthy hicks, so yeah, it's Flo.
Code:
If MERC_to_Check hates "Married_Merc", then:
Ha, no problems with it!
Else:
If MERC_to_Check is a FEMALE, then:
If Merc_to_Check is Somewhat Sexist, then:
Lose 5 points of Morale.
If Merc_to_Check is Very Sexist, then:
Lose 10 points of Morale.
Else (if Merc_to_Check is MALE):
If Merc_to_Check is a Gentleman, then:
Lose 5 points of Morale.
Pretty simple. Most female mercs are at least somewhat sexist, so they'll probably be offended, as
will the gentleman males. Surprisingly, Flo is not a sexist, so she probably won't be offended when
you marry her into the Klan.
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OTHER EFFECTS OF SEXISM, RACISM, AND HATED NATIONALITY
This is a complicated issue, so pay close attention:
There are none.
Yeah, you heard me.....[/color]
What about NPC Reactions & Traders Prices etc? Surely that is where something may have an effect?
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| Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #227977]
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Mon, 20 July 2009 01:35
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| Kordanor |
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Messages:29
Registered:March 2008 |
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Well, actually it has a width of 1530, should work in 1600X1200 normal screens or 1680X1050 Widesreen.
Anyways you can access the file which is embedded into the html file by accessing http://ndnw.piranho.de/JA2/big2.swf
Browser Settings might need some adjustemnts so that you do not automtatically download it.
do not expect it looking pretty then though ^^
If there is something to auto resize it which can be added into the html code, I can add it.
I am just not sure about what exactly it is, as I didn't manage to get the initial page created by flash (which contained this feature) to work with my settings you find on this HTML page now.
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