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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #238712] Thu, 26 November 2009 05:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Thanks again Starwalker. The Hybrid includes Olympic Arms as they do manufacture and market 10mm, .40S&W, .45ACP and other pistol calibre AR-15 uppers. The Colt SMG is only in 9mm I believe.

Ok so for my current list of MS Paint mods are:

TBird: pistol cal AR-15 variant, Magpul PDW, HK416
MarboroMan: Robinson XCR (this one is a reconfirm I think, otherwise my appolgies)
Coolberg: XM8, MP7
Lisac: M4 and .50 Beowulf


Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #238985] Sun, 29 November 2009 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okashii

 
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Awesome work on the Hybrid wil473 =] Im really enjoying playing it. [For 3 days in a row I have found myself playing untill realising its 3am Razz]

I know this is still a Beta and I can handle most crashes by either end-task-ing or re-loading older savegames if things go too bad, but now that I am quite far in the game I have encountered a more serious problem - I have 7 cities in total with lots of militia and in some cases the game freezes just when auto-resolve starts (when the red pannel appears, just before militia vs. enemy yellow pannel)

In some cases auto-resolve does work no problem, in some I only can reload the game and pray that the enemy attacks a different sector and it will not freeze on auto-resolve.

I know that one solution would be to intercept the enemy attack before they reach the city but I'm playing a solo sniper and I can't get everywhere in time, plus I still need to concentrate on attacking the rest of the cities, re-arming my gear etc. so I can't be everywhere.

Is there any way to fix this auto-resolve bug? any info would be great

Worst case scenario would be to start the game all over but since it all seems random I dont know what cities are safe to capture and hold.

[note: Gotham seems to be freezing always on auto-resolve when the enemy attacks.]

Plese help *^_^*

Update : I was worried Im stuck but it seems the solution is to keep alt-tab, end-task, reload save untill the game doesnt freeze on the next auto-resolve even if its still the same sector being attacked.

One other thing [not a problem to me but just pointing out]: At weapon salesmen I have a CTD whenever I click the down arrow to see the last page of items they are offering [should be stuff like weapon add-ons] this is consistent in two cities now. [This does not happen when Im browsing the items from Tony]

[Updated on: Sun, 29 November 2009 19:16] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239055] Mon, 30 November 2009 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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That Gotham lockup was plaguing me as well. I am considering setting some of the city sectors back to being unable to train/garrison militia, including both ends of Gotham.

From your description of the merchants that CTD on inventory, it sounds like you are having problems with the Bobby Rays (sporting goods) clerks. Two things to try:

1) If you haven't already updated, download the current version of the mod, and be extra careful about overwriting the Data-UC113 folder.

2) Please send me a savegame from a visit to one of the merchants. I'll see if I can replicate the error, or produce a list of what was in inventory. Contact email is the project gmail account: uc.ja2113.projects

[Updated on: Mon, 30 November 2009 07:22] by Moderator



Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239062] Mon, 30 November 2009 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Starwalker

 
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okashii
One other thing [not a problem to me but just pointing out]: At weapon salesmen I have a CTD whenever I click the down arrow to see the last page of items they are offering [should be stuff like weapon add-ons] this is consistent in two cities now. [This does not happen when Im browsing the items from Tony]

Most crashes of this type (where browsing a dealer's inventory is concerned) come from a missing picture. The code wants to display a pic for an item on that last page, but the pic is not found -> crash. This most often happens with Bobby Ray; because of the large number of items he offers, a missing pic crash is easier noticed with him.

If it does not happen with Tony, then maybe Tony does not offer that problematic item...


Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239068] Mon, 30 November 2009 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okashii

 
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Thanks for the reply guys =] Starwalker is probably right, today I have invaded Drake city and there is another gun merchant there and I had no crashes while browsing his items.

some more feedback:

I rally like how you can get different weapons from them [gun merchants] that Bobby Ray [so far no crashes while browsing his shop selection] doesn't offer [like black market kind of thing]

Folding stocks are a nice addition.

The new Action points system [100] is very good [doesn't feel unbalanced] you just have to re-learn what action costs what number of action points

As for the auto-resolve lockups, alt-tab, end-task, re-load savegame method still works for me [phew] sometimes it will lockup 3 times in a row but work on 4th attempt.

Once you get to know how to deal with all the CTD, lockups, corrupt savegames [so far only 3 times & only on quick save] and get back to the game fast without having to do a hard reset the game doesnt feel so buggy [in an annoying "arg! I can't play this #%*$^" kind of way]

Its so much fun to play and so well made [very nice maps] that it feels like an official expansion.

One more thing - before, I have played JA2 1.13 & JA 1.13 Wildfire as a solo sniper but this hybrid really takes the cake when it comes to the amount of enemies [as far as my bodycount number is concerned] Im half way of capturing Drake city, still have to capture whole Island city (not sure how to get there yet) and Adrian [which I fear is gonna be madness]and my kill-count is above 1608!
Thats already 500 more than I had after finishing JA 1.13 Wildfire [which was in my opinion harder to solo than JA 1.13]And I still have a lot of places to check that may be swarming with enemies. The number may have been a bit lower if I havent assumed that the police is my enemy from the start Razz [I just assumed they are corrupted police]

Once Im raedy to storm Adrian I will post how much ammo I managed to fit inside a humvee ^^
Place your bets on the total kill-count Wink

Cheers guys, see you next reply/feedback =]

[Updated on: Mon, 30 November 2009 16:49] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239093] Mon, 30 November 2009 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okashii

 
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I think I found a small overlook with the new Action Points System:

Max value is 100 right? [when you are not wearing heavy armor & not carrying more than 100% equipment, not sleepy etc.]

But the Stealth Armor Upgrade [on chest and pants] gives you +10 action points, so the max possible value should be 110.

Can it be changed easily in some ini files?

Thanks in advance for a reply/comment =]

Edit: New lockup, [pretty sure I didnt have this one through half of the game] when a map is loading it sometimes locks-up when the whole bar is filled red. [alt+ctrl+delete & end task still works]

Edit #2: Sadly another new lockup this one happens when you are choosing your starting position on tactical map, when you place your soldier and click Done its sometimes locks up.

Edit #3: Random game lock-ups while fighting in sector O2.

[Updated on: Tue, 01 December 2009 17:50] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239135] Wed, 02 December 2009 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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The later half of the game is just crash filled. Personnally selling of deleting unecessary items helps a bit with stability. It is for this reason I am seriously considering rebuilding the UC Hybrid into a smaller experience by cutting down the number of true city sectors.

Less Stuff = More Stability

I've got word back from both Marlboro Man and Coolburg, both are ok with my use of their work as the base. I'm still waiting for TBird and Lisac.

All the MP7 work (graphics and XML) have been completed and tested without major incident. Now to figure out a way to insert this in-game, without being savegame incompatible.

[Updated on: Wed, 02 December 2009 03:02] by Moderator



Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239156] Wed, 02 December 2009 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okashii

 
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Thanks for the reply wil473 =]

Im in Adrian now so a few stability issues to report:

Sector N4 [SAM] lockup at the end of second combat turn [this is probably when enemy reinforcements from adjacent sectors pop up]

same thing in sector O5

Im in P3 now, [I couldnt get there with my humvee because the road I was using went through the N4 sector (lockups)]so I packed all the must have gear on my solo sniper and sneak my way down to P3 at night, avoiding any fights. Managed to clear it from all enemies [50+](God bless my P90 smg), no Brenda there of course and there doesn't seem to be any underground levels on P3 so I will have to clear that N4 sam site & fly to the Island sectors [which also means no humvee ammo support :*( ]

I will report if its all doable.

Few questions:

Does the Less Staff = More Stability rule also means the items that are left on the ground after battle in the sector is over? My airport in Drassen is a landfill of ammo, guns & stuff from Bobby Ray's [about 450 items] and after clearing P3 of all th enemies there was 750! items (9pages of stuff) Would throwing it all away to the trashcan help with stability or is that part unrelated?

Second idea - this is a bit more radical but how about removing useless npc's from maps? [I mean just white dot civilians that dont do anything] would that improve stability? [If not it would speed up the loading during combat turns, but on the other hand some people might complaint that the cities and sectors feel like a ghost town]

What about the 110 maximum action points while using the Stealth Armor Upgrades? [edit: I found the ini file where I can change the max AP value to 110 but that just gives me 110AP even without the Stealth armor as long as Im rested and not carrying too much]

Could you post how much disc space exactly should the Ja2 1.13 Urban Chaos Hybrid occupy? [JA2+1.13+Urban+Hybrid] [not counting the save games] That would give me an idea whether or not am I missing any files or have any corrupt ones that are too small in size. Maybe some of the problems are at my end with the install. [Althou you did say the later part of the game is crash filled so I hope its not installation issues]

And dont worry if things end up savegame incompatible Wink I will be happy to test the next version [I still want to play as a knife thrower & as dual pistol user]

Cheers and best of luck on the rebuild =]

Edit: Sadly more stability issues from today's gameplay :

- Missing or corrupt files message while loading map on sector P4 [when I was entering from P3] before I have sneak past that sector no problem

- more lockups on choosing entry positions [mercenary placement] (in some cases it works on 4th attempt for example)

- that N4 SAM sector that I mentioned was buggy - enetred it from the south at night, no lockups during fights

- I had to backtrack with my game a little because I was still missing a disc to decode which meant leaving Adrian, now that I went there the second time (to clear out the N4 SAM [re-taken by enemy] and use chopper)
I had missing & corrupt files in sectors : M5, N5, O5 [I was there before! >_<]

Luckily I have one savegame while I was still in Calisto airport gearing up for my Adrian attack so I will start from that and report later if Im having the same problems on maps [missing & corrupt files]

So far the worst things with this beta are:
- lockups on auto-resolve
- lockups on map load
- lockups on choosing map positions
- and now missing & corrupt files on maps I have previously visited without problems
The lockups are so annoying because in the later part of the game they happen very often.

Other bugs I have encountered are not so terrible: corrupt savegames I had only 2-3 times so far [CTD while autosaving] no big deal - just re-load a previous hard save.

Runtime errors I have encountered only 2 kinds [1 type on random occasions, the onter one only on one map, I will post pictures of them soon]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3185/ja2bug.th.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1691/ja2bug2.th.jpg

other than that this beta hybrid easily deserves a 7/10 score =]

More feedback to come later. Cheers

New Edit : Damn >_< more problems: I got the decoded MOC list so I have sneak my wa to sector P5 to catch a ferry (helicopter) to the Island, I got there and have sneak my way to sector P13 where Agent X is. I cleared the sector from all the enemies so that I can talk to him and get the keycard, but when I want to sneak back to sector P12 I get a missing or corrupt files error while loading map -__-'

My last idea is to load a savegame before attacking Adrian for the first time and clear the SAM site so that I can fly to P13 straight away and then to P6 without visiting any of the locations previously.

Let's just hope it works.

More feedback later.

[Updated on: Sat, 05 December 2009 17:57] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239498] Mon, 07 December 2009 01:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okashii

 
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Finally made it Very Happy

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7373/ja2uc113okashii.th.png

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7760/ja2uc113map.th.png

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3125/ja2uc113endstatsokashii.th.png

It was great fun =] I liked the ending very much. Only thing I didn't like were those annoying lockups because later in the game they happen a lot.

[notes: sadly I didn't reach 2000 kills but because of the risk of the 'corrupt or missing files' on maps previously visited bug [and risk of more annoying lockups which I started to hate]

I had to skip practicly whole Adrian and Island but thats still A LOT more kills than in my previous solo sniper adventures [1.13 & 1.13 Wildfire]

I played on novice (to see if its even possible) lots of guns (tons of ammo is a must) SF. Weapons of choice - as always my trustworthy P90 (silencer,LAM,adv. reflex sight)[still my fav. weapon - works like a charm] but I decided to change the sniper rifle [I was using VSSK with subsonic ammo in previous games and it was great] but this time ammo was really an issue - a whole assault vest packed with 5 round mags was gone sooner than I could say Eric Robertson [yay Monty Python reference] so in the end I switched to Barrett M501 .50cal and it worked really great.
I know its loud as hell but its also very effective and most importantly it has a large mag (11shots). Whats more it has a very neat little feature Wink you can mount a adv. reflex sight on it and fire 3 torso shots per round, on shorter ranges this can be a very useful assault rifle Very Happy

Small advice: stupidly [I havent played the game for a while] while creating the IMP merc I have chosen Stealth skill, wasnt bad but I really think night ops would have been better.
Oh and I advise not to take non swimmer.
Spending attribute points on exp pointless if you are going solo, I reached lvl 10 once I reached 1000kills total
Dont put more than 35 in leadership, you will gain the rest just by training militia.
Hope it helps.

Playthrough wasn't as hard as 1.13Wildfire, especially if you just use the chopper tactic to skip almost all Adrian & Isle fights. Other thing I was worried about were tanks but you can beat the game without even going to a single sector that has them.
I did have to train a lot more militia than in the previous solo sniper games thou.

Thats all for now because its getting very late where I am ^^ if you have any questions I will be happy to anwser. As I said before I had a great time playing this hybrid =]

Next target: Deidranna Lives! 1.13 solo Very Happy
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239505] Mon, 07 December 2009 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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congratulation for freeing arulco danubia


... you might perhaps consider using the pix and not the thumbs the next time you link screenshots :cloud8:

edith:

i never get them theatres right

[Updated on: Mon, 07 December 2009 02:25] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239511] Mon, 07 December 2009 02:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Well that's two completions of the Danubia Campaign.

I haven't gotten around to updating DL-1.13FS yet...

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #239954] Sun, 13 December 2009 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Sorry about the double post but this needed to be announced: The HAM 3.6Alpha patch should not be used. I've accordingly moved the file to archives (for educational use). I'm not sure if Headrock intended or not, but the training of militia requires an ACA facilitytype added to the sector. I can fix it, but I want to do so after tweaking the facilitytpes some more.


Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #240609] Sat, 26 December 2009 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First of all thanks to Will for the mod of the mod (still sounds very weird when you say it...)

Has anybody else noticed that the weapon degradation rates seem to be globally higher using the latest SCI and this mod?

(I know the rates on AR15 based weapons are meant to be higher but this also seems to apply to AK and other SMGs as well)

Edited to Add


Having played around for a few more days...

1) I get a NADA item for all the shotgun chokes (I'm thinking this is something to do with it being added in the latest SCI revision of the game)

2) Does there seem to be a reason for the corrupted files crash? This is happening to me in the same underground sector repeatedly on several playthroughs (the underground station for Sheraton).

3) Playing a game with no income is hard... but I am enjoying it more and more brings things into a much more time critical point of view.

4) If you are going to remove any of the towns as designated cities perhaps Port Kip should be the candidate. Its very very hard to train militia due to town loyalty, perhaps a beefed up police/gang presence to be initially cleared out but no garrisons might be the order of the day.

5) In terms of drop all etc. Does the current HAM 3.6 alpha allow drop all from hostile civilians? If it does it would make sense to have this assigned to the police and gangs (especially playing on insane).

[Updated on: Mon, 28 December 2009 21:58] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #240714] Mon, 28 December 2009 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I took a look at the reliablity (the variable which affects how quickly a weapon degrades) and the sample of AK's I examined have Reliablity set to 5, which if I remember correctly is the higest it can be set to.

However there are some changes needed. Revolvers should be more reliable than they are, as should some of the more "simple guns." I'm proposing the following general Reliability expectations in the next update to the mod (delayed due to some hardware changes on order):

5 - Single shot
4 - Bolt action and revolvers
3 - AK family
2 - G3 family
1 - G36 and relations
0 -
-1 -
-2 -
-3 - M16A2/A3
-4 - M4
-5 - L22A2 (SA80 PDW), CAR-15 (UC's in game fiction has a fitting description of why this one is so low)

With respect to the AR-15's, I'm aiming to set it up so that once you start picking up CAR-15's (from the original UC storyline), you will have to choose between upgrading them to somewhat reliable pistol caibre carbines, or wait till the M4 upgrade is available.

EDIT: by the way how are people finding their ability to hit things? I'm itching to drop the accuracy of the AK's a little bit (and probably up the accuracy of the AR-15's).

[Updated on: Mon, 28 December 2009 21:55] by Moderator



Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #240717] Mon, 28 December 2009 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tango

 
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Sorry Will you added your reply as I was editing my previous post (didn't want to double post).

Hit chances seem about right to be honest. I would think that making the AR15s any more accurate would be quite imbalancing.

[Updated on: Mon, 28 December 2009 22:00] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241167] Mon, 04 January 2010 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sturm

 
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I need help please .Game is locking up when I make my IMP.Looks like it is installed ok .

just when I male my IMP and go to pay for him it locks up.Playing with Vista .Anyone can you please help.

[Updated on: Mon, 04 January 2010 21:15] by Moderator

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241168] Mon, 04 January 2010 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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move it from C:\ to somewhere else and/or play as admin
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241170] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sturm

 
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Logisteric: thanks for the add vice move it to desk top still doing same thing.Maybe I changed something I shouldnt have .i'll keep trying.
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241172] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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desktop is C:\ move it to another partition (such as D:\)
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241177] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sturm

 
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Still no luck.Im a dummy when it comes to this stuff Thanks for your help.I;ll keep trying game plays without IMP maybe Ill just use AIM and MErc.
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241179] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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as it looks vista does not allow you to write to your hd => it won't allow you to save
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241180] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sturm

 
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I have newest 113 did this need a older version of 113
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241182] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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no - try right-click on the exe sth likr "run as admin" should solve it. i don't know how it's called exactly - don't have vista - i'm only kaerar's parrot here
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241185] Mon, 04 January 2010 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I run Vista , no problems after "run as admin" either , although I do have UC1.13 in another (external) drive .


Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241203] Tue, 05 January 2010 01:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sturm

 
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everthing in game runs fine .It just won't let me make IMP's.for some reason.
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241280] Tue, 05 January 2010 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tango

 
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A few more bugs and oddities:

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  • When police turn hostile in a sector (ie if you shoot one of them preemptively) only some of them will turn hostile. Probably due to how the factions are all inter related. Have they been externalised?
  • Occasionally when entering the Calisto mine sector for the first time the mine manager will not appear. Seems to only happen if the police are already hostile to you.
I also removed the garrisons and ability to train militia from Port Kip and Atremo. Anecdotally this does seem to have made the game much more stable. Likewise not allowing huge numbers of items to stack up in sectors also seems a great help.

Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241433] Fri, 08 January 2010 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Tango, it sounds like the missing mine manager bug from original UC. Are you hitting Calisto before any of the other cities with factories? After Atremo, you must go to Calisto or else the bug occurs.

The police seem to go hostile based on proximity to your action to trigger the hostility, and time. As the original UC storyline seems to imply the only way to complete the Miranda quest is a shootout with Port Kips corrupt (but not like the other cities') cops; I set up several triggers for them to go hostile first.

Anyone here know the min and max values for: Reliability and Repair Ease? From the +P+ ammo work, I know I cannot go below -5 for Reliability or gun becomes indestructible, but what is the ceiling (max)?

EDIT: Taking a look at COS 912 I'm seeing much higher values in use, ie. AK-74 at +8 reliability. Is 8 effective (does JA2 treat this as a valid Reliablity, or does it default to 0?). The higher I can go without the either the XMLEditor or JA2 imposing a ceiling, the better I can differentiate guns.

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #241445] Fri, 08 January 2010 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tango, it sounds like the missing mine manager bug from original UC. Are you hitting Calisto before any of the other cities with factories? After Atremo, you must go to Calisto or else the bug occurs.


what exactly is this bug? it doesn't sound as if it was impossible to overcome :whoknows:
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #242587] Wed, 27 January 2010 00:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just wanna say nice work!

Is there any plan to update the beta in the coming days/weeks?
Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #242649] Wed, 27 January 2010 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Thanks.

I'm cleaning up the XML's (moving some of the new items so that they fit into my placement scheme in items.xml). An intirm release should be ready in a week or so.

- XML based bugs identified in this form worked on
- reducing the number of "real" city sectors in a bid to stall the onset of the late game crashes
- AR-15 Upper recievers
- new MP7 stock scheme (pilot project for perhaps other machine pistols and perhaps medium size guns that can with moderate suspension of disbelief be wielded single handed when the stock is out of the way)
- UC113HAM 3.6alpha test files included but kept out of the way unless you want to give it a try

Ultimately I am trying to put together all of my previous works into a single download:
- VFS allows a single graphics folder to be shared
- I'll finally get around to updating DL-1.13FS (you'll still need to download seperately, unpack add the original Diedranna Lives! Data folder; same with Urban Chaos)
- Updated Folding Stock test mod set in Alrulco but in several flavours based on who you think Diedranna has as her prime vendor (Russia, US, Western Europe or all of the above)

EDIT: New release now available v20100201, includes XML files needed for UC-1.13 to use HAM 3.6Alpha (available in separate download).

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244718] Fri, 19 February 2010 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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hey,

after playing the original UC recently i thought to give this hybrid a go, and so far it seems pretty awesome. Thx 4 your work man!


However, i do have some questions^^

1. Do silencers need the threaded barrel to work?
It is said in the description, but my point is if a silencer is useless without the barrel?
Do i have to attach the barrel, or do the guns already have it?

2.Stocks
Well i know the stocks from 1.13 but my problem is that i dont see any stat change on the weapon info with/without stock. Is that supposed to be like this or just not fully functional?

3.Cities
Do i have to conquer every named sector to hold the town/trigger the cutscene?

4.Milita in Atremo/Port Kip
Can this be deactivated?
My point is, that the AI now invades thoses sectors instead of not bothering with it like before.
Actually the AI seems to move troops from the country there, on my way to Callisto i didnt had any fights, prolly cause they all hang out in Atremo now.
Does the AI leave those sectors alone if i turn off the militia?
And if so, how does one do that?^^

Thx!

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244725] Fri, 19 February 2010 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Yay, feedback finally on the folding stocks...

1) Guns with a Threaded Barrel (TB) should have that noted in the description. It is really a shorthand that allows the player to read off what attachments are possible, though it is now redundant in the face of recent .exe features.

2) My stocks should be different from regular 1.13 and yes you should see a difference in the stats.

Overall:
Deployed Stock = Better CTH
Retracted Stock = Better ROF
No Stock = Worse CTH and Worse ROF

which gun are you seeing this lack of effect on.

3) Yes

4) The AI's need to garrison/re-take a sector is seperate from which sectors can take militia. Which cities permit militia is controled from cities.xml.

ArmyComposition.xml gives priority to which sectors get garrisoned/retaken, however I reused the same compositions for several sectors... This one is going to take some work to give a satisfactory fix.

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244728] Fri, 19 February 2010 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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Thx for the kind&fast response,

1. Okay so a TB is not an attachement itself, it just is a description thing to see if silencers are mountable, right?
I directly nicked the silencer in Atremo but it wasnt really silent IMO, that lead me to the whole confusion. In hindsight it may had to do with it beeing damaged to under 30%.

EDIT: Should the KACPdw accept a silencer??

2.
Well im at day 3 now and have 3 Calisto sectors, so i found 3 guns with stocks so far.
The Scorpion, the Vityaz(Ehli

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244749] Sat, 20 February 2010 01:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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You just caught me on a good day, otherwise I was planning on returning to actively monitoring this thread in March.

3. Subway hooligan loadout should be the same as old UC (ie. Spectra and AK in the first two subway maps you're supposed to visit).

3.1 Did Vanilla UC have that problem too? A long time ago The Judge (who sadly is no longer active these days) found out that the gunrunner respawn happened if all civilians (which they are but with a faction set) are wiped out. The solution was that I added a cow (neutral faction) to the map (ie. lower right corner of B14)

Map B14 is the PDW themed map. I've tried to have a theme for each gun runner camp just so the player won't get bored of just Russian/Soviet gear. Yes, the reward is somewhat overwealming, but at the same time you won't be finding resupply of ammo from BR's/Tony till mid-late game. Well not unless you decide to visit the beach early...

5. Excellent someone has found the garden sprayer. Without spoiling things, there are two triple-item-mergers (one item attaches to a second to allow a third item to complete the merge, like the x-ray device) that need to be performed. The Garden Sprayer and the Herbicide are the base items to which everyday items attach to produce something fun... and its ammo.

EDIT: The folding stock on smaller guns, ones small enough to concievably be weilded single handed have always been a problem. The next version is going to see an overhaul of the system for smaller SMG's where:
- the gun item itself changes when the stock change is done (this will allow some refinement to the stats)
- MP's with stock extended no longer can be weilded single handed

Just remember that a stock item (either of them) should always be attached to the gun when firing, if not for Role Playing reasons, but as there are penalties for having no stock.

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244755] Sat, 20 February 2010 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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Oh, lucky me^^

3.Could be, forgot about the spectra though

3.1 now i know where the cow sounds came from^^


Okay i understand what you wanted to achieve with the gun runners, and i like the idea.
At some point in UC i really got bored by the weapons.
True i cant get ammo but then again BR has some pretty good stuff right off the bat, i just need some money to buy&try it all.
I was quite baffeld by the good stuff i could order on day 3...

And to reach the beach i have to make a longer trip, so thats off for later.
I actually stored some of the guns and went on using my crap guns for the next fights, but im gonna blow that HP ammo when i attack the SAM^^
Balance is very much a matter of preferance, but i like to have a bit of a challenge gun-wise.

5. Ah, i havent found the sprayer just bought the "Ammo" of that china lady, ill keep my eyes open cause it sounds very cool to me!

Could you say a couple of words on my 2nd question?
Maybe you didnt see my edits.

6.
Also i would like to ask you how big the ACC value of a gun influences your shooting.
May sound dumb, but some guns have like -3 ACC but are good in everything else, and i just cant get myself to use them cause of that -3.
am i too picky?



thx 4 your support, need sleep now

regards

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244756] Sat, 20 February 2010 03:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Oh, I think I know what you're saying in 2 now, what you are seeing is an extra penalty I put in to encourage people to keep a stock item attached (as the feature does kill off one of the four attachment slots). The AP cost to fire with no stock at all should be excessively high.

gun(stock item missing) = worse AP cost
gun + Extended Stock = reasonable firing cost, should be comparable with a fixed stock version of gun
gun + Folded Stock = firing cost should be the least

EDIT: on checking, this should only be the case for the AR size stock item. (sorry I should keep better notes of what I've been doing and intending) All folding stock AR's and bigger folding stock SMG's have an built in -10% General AP Reduction bonus (meaning 10% AP increase). This is countered with the Stock items.
+10% = 0 when the extended Stock is attached
+35% = 25% reduction when the folded Stock is attached

EDIT2: on further examination, I think I messed up the Extened Stock(AR) AP reduction bonues; there should be more than just a general AP bonus as I have -10% bonus on Ready, Burst and Autofire for all the guns that take this stock set.

OK this is what I'm going to do (in March): I'm going to create a double of each gun that takes a stock for display purposes in BR. A gun that is delivered from BR's will not be able to fire until you swap the stock mode once. This way I can simplify the folding stock penalties, not worry about misrepresenting the Gun in BR's, and penalize the player who thinks they can get away by having no stock attached to recover that fourth attachment slot...

By the way, the PP-19 Bizon uses a full size AR stock item, same with the AKS-74U, even though the SMG stock item picture is that from AKS-74U/PP-19. I'll change the pictures in March as well as the MP size stock items have a new graphic of sorts available.

EDIT 3.
By the way, thanks. This is the kind of feedback I need to sort out bugs in the whole folding stock concept. Just remember as an example: AK-47 and AKS-47 (with stock extended) should have more or less identical stats. Till I make some fixes this isn't the case yet.

EDIT 4.
Oh and to make up for the stock system killing off one attachment slot, I've been toying with the idea of a pseudo-NGAP system invovling attachments and mergers.

5.
I thought you had found it already, sorry if I spoiled the surpriese. Based on your progress, you've visited the map where the garden sprayer is.

EDIT (I forgot 6.)
6.
Earlier on in testing I actually had even lower accuracy values, but the beta testers warned me off of that. I view that Accuracy value as the gun's intrinsic accuracy based on layout, quality, etc... Range could have been used to control a weapons accuracy, but that is something I decided to conjure up based on barrel length and ammo type (which incidentally are also the primary considerations for base weapon damage).


EDIT (Leaving a Technical note):

This is how the Folding Stocks are supposed to work (in March 2010)

Base AR Style Weapon Penalties
To-Hit General -25%
To-Hit Burst -30%
To-Hit Auto -30%
AP Reduction General -75%
AP Reduction Ready 0%
Result = Player will want to keep a stock attached

Collapsed AR Style Stock
To-Hit General +5% (On Gun = -20%)
To-Hit Burst -5% (On Gun = -35%)
To-Hit Auto -5% (On Gun = -35%)
AP Reduction General 100% (On Gun = 25%)
AP Reduction Ready 75% (On Gun = 75%)
Result = Faster Gun for Less CTH

Extended AR Style Stock
To-Hit General +25% (On Gun = 0%)
To-Hit Burst +30% (On Gun = 0%)
To-Hit Auto +30% (On Gun = 0%)
AP Reduction General 75% (On Gun = 0%)
AP Reduction Ready 0% (On Gun = 0%)
Result = Stats match the gun's fixed stock equivalent (AK = AKS)



Base MP Style Weapon Penalties
To-Hit General -5%
To-Hit Burst -5%
To-Hit Auto -5%
AP Reduction General 0%
AP Reduction Ready 0%
Result = Player has incentive to keep stock attached, but not terribly critical

Folded MP Style Stock
To-Hit General 5% (On Gun = 0%)
To-Hit Burst 5% (On Gun = 0%)
To-Hit Auto 5% (On Gun = 0%)
AP Reduction General 0% (On Gun = 0%)
AP Reduction Ready 0% (On Gun = 0%)
Result = stats comparable to MP's like the Stenkin APS

Deployed MP Style Stock
To-Hit General 10% (On Gun = 5%)
To-Hit Burst 10% (On Gun = 5%)
To-Hit Auto 10% (On Gun = 5%)
AP Reduction General -25% (On Gun = -25%)
AP Reduction Ready -50% (On Gun = -50%)
Result = slower gun vs higher CTH

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244844] Sat, 20 February 2010 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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Hey,

soo lets discuss stuff Very Happy


-Stocks

On SMG`s im totally with you. They are not intended for precise fire and having the option off making them a bit faster to draw&shoot, for the cost of acc would be cool.
So IMHO a folded stock should give draw bonus and a bit of penalty(-5) to hit, cause its not that different to aim with a folded stock or none at all.
Look at an AKSU or the Bizon, both fold the stock to the side of the gun, no benefit from having it that way, compared to have none at all.
While this is not true for all SMG

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #244911] Sun, 21 February 2010 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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I'm free for a few min so I'd thought I post a reply. I won't be regualarly vising the forum till March however.

Futher clarification on the stocks:
One thing to remember that the SMG stock is really a Machine Pistol Stock. MP5's, Bizon, AKS-74U they all use the AR stock system. Hazmat I think you got the idea of why I'm doing things the way I am:
- for bigger guns, like AR's, folding stock out of the way effectively reduces the bulk of the weapon, reducing AP costs but also CTH.
- for Machine Pistols, folding out the stock makes it less handy but more stable, increasing AP cost and CTH.

Also having the stock out of the way, I'm treating as an "abbreviated" firing stance. ie. You are in a hurry and you are taking shortcuts, by not using the weapon to its fullest potential (max aiming).

Now one thing that the next version is going to have for Machine Pistols is that the process to extend the stock changes the gun as well. I've tested this on the MP7 and am happy; there are no unexpected changes to status or attachments. You will notice in the current release that the MP7 picture changes, as do certain built-in stats. With the stock pushed in, the MP7 can be dual weilded but does not have a foregrip bonus. With the stock pulled out, the MP7 is two handed but it has the foregrip bonus.

I'm proceeding with this system on the other Machine Pistols, so when possible I'm going use MS Paint and GIMP to hack the stocks out into a deployed state. Just as I got Coolberg's permission before creating a stock extended/Grip unfolded MP7 I still need to get permission from the artists of the following:

Skorpion vz.82 (Gun152)
AEK-919K "Kashtan" (Gun151)
IMI Uzi (Gun127)
IMI Micro-Uz (Gun53)
IMI Mini-Uz (Gun227)
Ingram M10/9 (Gun105)
Ingram M10 (Gun10)
SR-2 Veresk (Gun125)


5.
Have you taken a walk in the park to the west of Betty's store (C13)?

CAR-15
-speak to Smitty in Port Kip, that and I needed something to represent the ordinary gun with a bad rep for reliability

BR Progress
-that depends on your opinion on Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles

Calisto SAM Cutscene
-I remember that one working for me.

Commando Vest Upgrades
-the LBE upgrade path replaced the old one involving limited Commando kits

Upper Recievers
-I made them as weapon class items so that they show up in BR's in the right place and display the attachments. (I was lazy and just copied the gun item.) They cannot fire as I've set the cursor to invalid. If they can that is a mistake that I need to look into.

Claudia
-she isn't on Carmen's list

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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #245067] Tue, 23 February 2010 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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Hey,
its allright im also just casually strolling in here.


Stocks:

The system sounds solid so far, but i just have to see it implemented to judge the details.
Again, just consider if adding a folding stock really would help a weapon.
I think it would be way more easy for you to just penaltize stockless guns and give em an ext.stock option and make folding stocks only available for the larger smg

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