The Bears Pit: v1.13 Idea Incubation Lab » HAM 3.6 Full

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Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

Well that was rather simple. Clean ja2 gold + new SVN and then copied WF maps mod newest SVN and then AIM. All seems to be working. Heh, by the time I finish this new campaign ham+stomp will be released and will have to start over. Figures.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247458]

Sun, 21 March 2010 23:36

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

During sleep my mercs continue to improve skills and work as usual. Anyone else had this problem?

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247459]

Sun, 21 March 2010 23:40

cdudau

Think that is a feature, to have a chance to increase skill points while sleeping. I may be incorrect though. I can not find where I read chances of leveling while sleeping so just disregard what I said.

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Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247461]

Mon, 22 March 2010 00:02

Messages:1760
Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Which version are you using?

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247462]

Mon, 22 March 2010 00:57

CrunchyDingleberrys

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Registered:March 2010

Headrock,

I've been playing JA2 for years now and just now stumbled across your mod. Sounds like an incredible upgrade! I've reinstalled JA2Gold + the 1210 SCI, then used the HAM settings package in this thread to enable all features.

Only problem is on program load I get an error report indicated multiple INI settings are missing. It seems the [..] headers in the package's INI file don't match the standard v1.13 format. It's seems like an obvious gotchya, but I've searched the forums and haven't found anything. Any suggestions?

(went ahead and manually updated the 1.13 ini file, just wondering why they're different)

Civilian

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247463]

Mon, 22 March 2010 01:05

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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

There was a very recent change of the entire INI format, starting at build 1213. The Settings Package was then updated to the new format, and is thus not compatible with older releases anymore.

On second thought that may not have been the best idea, seeing as how many people use the latest Single-Click which is, as you said, of build 1210. So until a new SCI is released, here is a link to the older settings package:

HAM 3.6 Settings Package for Single Click 1210 and older versions.

I'll also add it to the top of this thread.

Enjoy your HAM!

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247465]

Mon, 22 March 2010 03:09

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Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

Headrock

Which version are you using?

Latest SVN +WF MAP SVN + AIM46

I'm pretty sure it happened with leadership from militia training. It could be that the sleeping merc got the benefit of training from the other merc who wasn't sleeping.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247468]

Mon, 22 March 2010 04:18

Logisteric

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

is it supossed to be that i can train militia in the nw-sam?

Captain

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247470]

Mon, 22 March 2010 04:59

SpaceViking

Messages:751
Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

You should be able to train them in all the SAM sites.

First Sergeant

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247471]

Mon, 22 March 2010 05:12

Logisteric

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

i think i recall some 'sam-site = no civillians = no militia' - is thought that's a nice idea

anyway i tracked mobile militia to both ne- and nw-sam - seen i can build them in both

Captain

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247473]

Mon, 22 March 2010 06:23

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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Quote:

Latest SVN +WF MAP SVN + AIM46

I'm pretty sure it happened with leadership from militia training. It could be that the sleeping merc got the benefit of training from the other merc who wasn't sleeping.

Let me get this straight - one merc is training militia and sleeping, while the other is training militia and awake, and... somehow... militia get trained?

What's wrong with that?

I think you need to explain the situation in more detail before I can get an idea of what's wrong.

Quote:

is it supossed to be that i can train militia in the nw-sam?

In JA2/1.13, of course. It's always been like that.

Quote:

i think i recall some 'sam-site = no civillians = no militia' - is thought that's a nice idea

That's HAM. You would need to download the settings package (or edit the XMLs yourself).

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247480]

Mon, 22 March 2010 11:04

Logisteric

Messages:3199
Registered:December 2008
Location: B

i have it - so i missed it ith my own tweaks - i'll definately use it - have to compare it

Captain

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247512]

Mon, 22 March 2010 21:33

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

[quote=Headrock]Quote:

Latest SVN +WF MAP SVN + AIM46

Let me get this straight - one merc is training militia and sleeping, while the other is training militia and awake, and... somehow... militia get trained?

What's wrong with that?

I think you need to explain the situation in more detail before I can get an idea of what's wrong.

Militia got trained and a sleeping merc's ldr xp bar moved.

I love the new facilities options, but think you shouldn't get hurt if not using them.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247515]

Mon, 22 March 2010 21:49

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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Ah, so the merc gained experience while sleeping. Interesting. I'll look into that. If you spot anything else along a similar line, let me know.

[EDIT: Strangely, I've just looked in the code, and this should be impossible. I don't understand how/why this could happen]

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247533]

Tue, 23 March 2010 01:23

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

I wouldn't worry about it, it was probably brought on me saving loading millions of times, next time I will test it more thoroughly before I post.

quick question though. How effective is explosive suppresion? example how many grenades does it take roughly to totally suppress someone? I really like to throw them around and so far am unable to. Cheers.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247536]

Tue, 23 March 2010 01:42

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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Quote:

How effective is explosive suppresion? example how many grenades does it take roughly to totally suppress someone?

Depends on the INI setting "EXPLOSIVE_SUPPRESSION_EFFECTIVENESS". If set to 0, it's disabled, set to 100 it's "fully" enabled, though you can set it even higher than that if you want. It also depends on which kind of grenade you are using, and how close it lands to the target. Do note that at 100, a blast-type grenade should do a noticeable amount of suppression.

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247623]

Tue, 23 March 2010 20:49

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

I've been using HAM for a long time and I remember I could never set it so that I was happy with the settings, but using your settings package is awesome. I do notice some suppression with grenades, but dunno whether that is the AI being stupid or actual suppression when they don't move too much after a grenade. Sometimes they just get up and run away. Smile

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247647]

Wed, 24 March 2010 00:59

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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Quote:

I do notice some suppression with grenades, but dunno whether that is the AI being stupid or actual suppression when they don't move too much after a grenade. Sometimes they just get up and run away.

It's hard to tell how suppressed an enemy is, that's true. The best way of course is to hit that "Cowering in fear" message, but that only happens when shock exceeds a certain level. Telling how much APs they have left is of course impossible unless they lose all of them ("Pinned down"). But running away is perhaps one of the best ways to tell - suppression sucks out morale, and shock can help convince an enemy to flee.

I might, in the future, add some sort of suppression indicator to show the state of shock over the character, similar to how Brothers in Arms did it (with a color pie). Again, that won't show APs left though.

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247759]

Thu, 25 March 2010 11:39

Messages:150
Registered:July 2009

grenades/explosives suppression is applied only when the target is hit by it or also when he is just outside the balst radius (1/2 tiles)

Staff Sergeant

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247760]

Thu, 25 March 2010 11:46

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Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Are you asking, or stating?

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247763]

Thu, 25 March 2010 12:19

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Registered:July 2009

asking, forgot the ?

Staff Sergeant

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247766]

Thu, 25 March 2010 12:44

Messages:1760
Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

Yes, explosive suppression should act beyond the range of the blast itself. So you don't need to get hit to suffer it.

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247769]

Thu, 25 March 2010 13:14

Messages:150
Registered:July 2009

well it looks like it affects only me that way, but i'm waiting any kind of (optional) suppression indicator before stating anything like that

also, it would be nice to make the explosive/melee/gun damage multiplier able to go over 200% actual damage and also go under (eg set damages at 50%)

and maybe something similar for armor values

Staff Sergeant

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247775]

Thu, 25 March 2010 14:09

Messages:1760
Registered:March 2006
Location: Jerusalem

It can go under 100 now. At least I think it can.

Sergeant Major

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #247833]

Fri, 26 March 2010 10:20

Messages:150
Registered:July 2009

~~how? the multiplier actually is a +x% so the damages are calculated 100+x% being 100 (and so 200%) the maximum but i can't find how to reduce them~~
my bad, was using the latest SCI which is still at 1210 and doesn't have the new INI

also sometimes i have some assertion errors (didn't take notes so im looking forward to happen again) when trying to put Steroid on the icecream truck, mostly when im' trying to "assignement"(also non facilities related)->truck.
usually moving both on another sector fixes it

another odd thing, sometimes it happens that my mercs see random enemies to the other side of the map, when there is no way they could see them

also once i had an interrupt while jumping down off the roof and i could see and shoot through the wall

other questions..

I have the game set up this way

JA2 gold -> 1.13 1216 gamedir content copypasted into ja2 folder -> ham setting package >1213 zip content copypasted into ja2 folder

ini editor set this way

http://j.imagehost.org/0503/Immagine.jpg

but have plenty of

http://j.imagehost.org/0473/Immagine.jpg

and some things that can't have value changed even if they have description and explanation of values

aww looks like i messed up the installation somehow even if i always did things this way, when ja2 loads up i shows erors for wrong values in the ini

[Updated on: Fri, 26 March 2010 15:56] by Moderator

Staff Sergeant

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248009]

Sun, 28 March 2010 20:37

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

There's something funky with the suppression. Sometimes when the enemy tries full auto and misses completely I still receive suppression. One time the AI hit a wall right in front of him nowhere near my merc and the merc still responded with speech and loss of AP.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248013]

Sun, 28 March 2010 21:07

cdudau

Jinxed

There's something funky with the suppression. Sometimes when the enemy tries full auto and misses completely I still receive suppression. One time the AI hit a wall right in front of him nowhere near my merc and the merc still responded with speech and loss of AP.

That's the idea....,although; hitting a wall in front of him should not cause suppression. I seriously doubt it will be a common occurrence in your game though.

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248015]

Sun, 28 March 2010 21:15

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

I guess you can say it is rare. Should have suppressed himself doing what he did. It kinda made me think that the act of suppression fire already counted as suppression, rather than the actual proximity of bullets flying by.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248017]

Sun, 28 March 2010 21:19

cdudau

Did any bullets pierce the wall?

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248018]

Sun, 28 March 2010 21:25

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

I don't think so. He was standing in front of a concrete hedge wall and tried to shoot full auto at my merc who was quite far away and hiding behind some tables and bamboo.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248020]

Sun, 28 March 2010 21:42

cdudau

As of right now I don't for see a fix for this specific bug. As I stated before, it is not a very common occurrence. If it continues to be a problem, I suggest turning some of the suppression settings down via the Ini file.

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248029]

Sun, 28 March 2010 22:55

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

Yeah. Thanks.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248042]

Mon, 29 March 2010 03:23

cdudau

Headrock may be of more assistance when he returns.

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248109]

Mon, 29 March 2010 17:54

Messages:150
Registered:July 2009

sometimes the game hangs up when trying to use drassen junkyard to repair, no errors or whatever just windows' "app stopped working"

Staff Sergeant

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248123]

Mon, 29 March 2010 21:35

Messages:238
Registered:October 2008
Location: Land of Skanks and Cottag...

Random crashes are just part of the charm.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: HAM 3.6 Full - RELEASED[message #248135]

Tue, 30 March 2010 02:35

datakurs

Messages:166
Registered:June 2009
Location: Budapest, Hungary

I know I've read it somewhere before but can not locate now:
Playing in insane with 3356, WildFire maps and your .ini settings with very few changes.
My problem is that I've taken Cambria, defended it about 3 times but no more guys attack me anymore. Why are they stopped?