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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249657]
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Mon, 19 April 2010 05:13
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Wil473 |
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Excellent, that means that Smitty can be turned into a real merchant again some day (as he was in Urban Chaos originally, and in 1.13 briefly due to that error on my part...)
I've produced a mini-mod for the last version of the UC-1.13 Hybrid so that Warmsteel's New Attachment System .exe can be used. It is my belief that major code changes should be tested beyond the stock Alrulco campaign/Data-1.13 after the initial testing is complete. And from what I've seen Warmsteel's project seems to be stable enough (considering what has changed). So in an effort to help with the testing of this promising new capability (and to facilitate its incorporation into mainstream 1.13); here it is:
Requirements are in order of installation
- working UC-113 Hybrid v20100411
- NAS 0.36a (or newer)
- UC-113 Hybrid NAS mini-mod v20100418.7z (found here http://www.esnips.com/web/ucja2113projectssStuff )
To launch use the INI Editor set the MOD to vfs_config.UC113NAS.ini and the JA2 v1.13 Executable to JA_EN_NAS0.36a.exe (or newer as it becomes available).
So far I've tested to make sure items and default attachments (of which the Hybrid has quite a few) appear correctly. I've also checked to make sure the combo merger to produce the flamethrower works.
Now for my purposes I am wanting to know a few things:
- do the attachments slots make sense? For instance I've eliminated many underbarrel accessory rails from the pistols. Too many pistols able to gain the RIS Bridge, however did I take it too far? Have I gone too far with the quad rail weapons?
- I've increased the AP for single shot and Draw Cost penalties for most of the underslung launchers to 25% (increase), and an effective Burst and Autofire AP penalty of 15% (increase). Do the increased AP costs make sense?
- If you run into any CTD's or other weirdness, please bear in mind that Warmsteel needs examples that can be easily found in "regular" JA2 1.13 (which means the base release which is built on the DATA-1.13 folder). Still, report the bugs, if necessary I can see about creating some analogue with the main data to demonstrate it.
Known problems:
- I forgot to set the RIS Bridge rail to add a lower attachment point Upper full Optics rail (I have to do it directly with Notepad as MS Excel 2003 does not like more than a single add and single remove slot definition)
- For now, try not to attach two of the same attachment at the same time, this does cause problems, that Warmsteel advises have been addressed in a newer version.
EDIT: Correction, I forgot to add the Upper RIS rail on the Bridge attachment.
[Updated on: Mon, 19 April 2010 05:30] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249691]
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Mon, 19 April 2010 18:17
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majki |
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Registered:April 2010 Location: Poland |
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Well, I' ve installed newest SVN 1220 and UC 1.13 and now I can't even start playing because the game freezes in main menu when I'm selecting any option:( With the older revisions of JA and UC I could play and I almost finished the game but constant freezes after about completing make me give up on it.
[Updated on: Mon, 19 April 2010 18:22] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249698]
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Mon, 19 April 2010 20:08
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majki |
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I meant earlier versions of the UC-1.13 hybrid before. With original vfs_config for ja2 1.13 I can play with no problem.
[Updated on: Mon, 19 April 2010 20:14] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249700]
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Mon, 19 April 2010 21:24
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Wil473 |
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@majki - Delete the following folders:
- Data-UC
- Data-UC113
- Data-Graphics
- Profiles\UserProfile_JA2UC113
That will more or less fully uninstall UC-1.13. Reinstall from the latest v20100411 .7zip archive. Don't forget to also replace Data-UC from an original Urban Chaos download.
Proposed Balance change:
The RIS Bridge Rail (as long as it is fully defined to add both slots) is a very powerful add-on. I am considering the following changes to balance against it:
- All "Sniper" scopes will have a big Draw and AP for single shot penalty, 40% for 6x scope and 60% for 10x scope
- All "Sniper" scopes will have a CTH penalties for Burst and Auto fire (to be determined, but big enough to reinforce the idea that Burst and especially Auto while peering through a scope is a very bad idea)
- All weapons classed as "Sniper" rifles will have their Draw and AP for single shot costs brought down a bit so that they are more in line with single shot of other weapons with the same calibre
- Result, player will continued to be allowed to attach Sniper Scopes to pistols, and other RIS equipped weapons, only it will not be worth it (unless it is a sniper rifle, or a very high end Assault or Battle rifle)
If anyone wants to see what I mean about the RIS bridge:
1) open up folder: Data-UC113NAS\TableData file: AttachmentSlotAssign.xml in notepad
2) find the entry that looks like this:
3) add 51 to the end so that it looks like
4) Save (not Save As)
EDIT: another balance change, is to add penalties directly to the RIS Bridge that still allows the Reflex and Adv.Reflex Sights to be beneficial, but not as much as they are stand alone on a SMG/AR/DMR. This penalty will of course make the use of a Hi-power scope on a pistol a bad idea.
EDIT2: sorry, I mean 50 not 51
[Updated on: Mon, 19 April 2010 21:35] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249701]
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Mon, 19 April 2010 22:02
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majki |
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Registered:April 2010 Location: Poland |
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Now it works fine, I dunno why I didn't try reinstall the UC-1.13 hybrid. Thanks a lot Wil:)
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249735]
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Tue, 20 April 2010 19:52
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Wil473 |
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Just to be clear the 3.5x-4x scopes (PO 3.5x21P and RIS Battle scope) are not part of this rebalance. So far I am only suggesting the RIS 6x and 10x scopes be modified in this way. The PSO-1 may also be included, but I have to take into account the UC intention to allow/encourage players to "trick out" the M4A1 with this Russian DMR scope.
I'm rethinking having the boat being able to traverse from the west edge all the way to the east. Too many maps have to be modified, though to be honest, how many people see these endgame maps with all the crashes the Hybrid seems to be prone to. The goal of UCC is to remove maps.
- New Port for Port Kip is more or less done
- Still have to work on widening the shipping lane to Port Kip
- Some work has been done to give southern coast maps a cliff line
- For now, it is probably best to have the boat start off from South East coast.
- Comments made by bartenders about General Marco require that the maps north of Drake be more or less untouched
EDIT: one question to anyone using the current version of the mod. Does the queen seem to be sending too many reinforcement? For years, I have increased the queen's pool of troops to make sure all those garrison's were staffed. But now it seems the queen is sending multiple 20man teams to retake Calistio, which is a problem with reinforcements turned off. (Standard difficulty, aggressive AI turned off)
EDIT2: Tango, I just replicted your CTD in NAS 0.40a using the default campaign. It seems that there is something funny with the attachment slots and LBE's in general.
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #249957]
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Fri, 23 April 2010 01:24
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Wil473 |
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Tango, I have no problem with you reposting the mod, except for the fact I am about to release a new revision. Included in the fix list are several things you identifified over the last few days, though I am going to leave the PP-19-01 Vityaz with only the basic laser sight in NAS, if you want to attach the KORSAK-1, you will have to add either the PO 3.5x21P, Kobra reflex sight, or the Russian night scope.
ShadoWarrior, it has been a while. The settings you are looking for I think are in JA2_Options.ini near the top. Just make sure you edit the right one; the one in Data-UC113 for the normal game, Data-UC113NAS for NAS testing.
EDIT: This is what the next version should have
20100423
* Changed
[Updated on: Fri, 23 April 2010 01:54] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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Re: UC-1.13 Public Beta Discussion 1 (2009/10/29 to --/--/--)[message #250030]
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Fri, 23 April 2010 16:58
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Wil473 |
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The relevant prof.dat should be in Data-UC113. ShadoWarrior, are you using the default folder structure, or are you reassembling all the files into the Data or Data-1.13 folder? The alternate install method you suggested in past should not be necessary anymore due to VFS. VFS even made the installer unnecessary.
Oh and are you playing the normal Hybrid or the NAS mini-mod?
I should have the new version posted tonight, among other things, it corrects a minor PROF related issue in the NAS .ini (NAS is based on an older version of the SVN, before they reordered the .ini structure, therefore the need for a seperate .ini).
EDIT: more shameless promotion - I remembered to add the RG6 (six shot grenade launcher) to the enemy items selection list. People may want to flip on "drop-all" to ensure they get this item.
EDIT2: On giving it more thought, if you have been rearranging the Data folders, and are using the NAS mini-mod, the symptoms you are describing could be caused by the "minor PROF related issue in the NAS .ini" I didn't see any point in continuing to update eight different prof.dat's when the option to force the use of the default prof.dat became available to use. That being said, I didn't delete the extra prof.dats, but if you have been consolidating the Data folders then the symptoms could be caused by the error in the .ini.
Please check in the relevant JA2_options.ini that ALWAYS_USE_PROF_DAT = TRUE
[Updated on: Fri, 23 April 2010 17:42] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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