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Bigger Counterattacks[message #272195]

Wed, 02 February 2011 19:47

Headhunter is currently offline

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Registered:November 2009
Location: Sweden

This is something that has bothered for a while now. Whenever you take over a new town, the AI always responds with those half-a**ed squads of 10-20 baddies instead of attacking in force. The DCA is the exception and basically what I'm looking for, 1 (or more) DCA per town. Is this possible?

I know that the "New Strategic AI"-option in the ini deals with this but I'm under the impression that doesn't do anything, correct?

[Dieter added some stars]

[Updated on: Thu, 03 February 2011 10:21] by Moderator

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Master Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272277]

Thu, 03 February 2011 05:56

SpaceViking is currently offline

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Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

Headhunter

I know that the "New Strategic AI"-option in the ini deals with this but I'm under the impression that doesn't do anything, correct?

Not yet.

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First Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272328]

Thu, 03 February 2011 13:38

Kladdey is currently offline

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Registered:December 2009

You could do some tweaking to ini, altering minimum group size, max enemies for tactical, allow reinforcemenets out from the city and initial garrison sizes. Almost every attack then is a DCA-like haha

[Updated on: Thu, 03 February 2011 13:38] by Moderator

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Corporal

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272337]

Thu, 03 February 2011 14:29

SpaceViking is currently offline

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Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

BTW, you may think you really want this but I overdid it in my first testing of the new strategic AI and it causes the game to stall. You end up spending all your time either training militia or retaking the sectors you lose. Now *some* of that is good. For instance, did you know there are cut scenes for when the queen retakes a town? I bet most people have never, ever seen that.

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First Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272338]

Thu, 03 February 2011 14:31

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i did when i tested your enhanced ai (from beta08 exe) - they way it was, they managed to bottle me in cambria - only way to get out was training dark-blues

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Captain

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272345]

Thu, 03 February 2011 15:05

Headhunter is currently offline

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Registered:November 2009
Location: Sweden

SpaceViking

BTW, you may think you really want this but I overdid it in my first testing of the new strategic AI and it causes the game to stall. You end up spending all your time either training militia or retaking the sectors you lose. Now *some* of that is good. For instance, did you know there are cut scenes for when the queen retakes a town? I bet most people have never, ever seen that.

The key is not overdoing it... Razz

Razz

I get what you mean though, and balance is very important for this.

I think that the first 3-5 counter-attacking squads should combine and launch 1 massive counterattack, after which there is a "grace period" where the town in question isn't attacked. Much like how the DCA works now, at least in my game... Smile

Smile

I don't want every single enemy squad to have 60+ members. I just want the squads that are assigned to retake towns bo be larger but fewer.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272358]

Thu, 03 February 2011 15:54

Kladdey is currently offline

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Registered:December 2009

I love those massive firefights and how cities look after some battles, with corpses everywhere, soo.. And as Spaceviking posted, its very, very easy to get blocked in a city with training militia constantly. For example if you're using facilities and cant train militia in every sector in a city youre pretty much owned for sure, thats why I always attack militia training sites first.

And about the cutscenes, Ive had a testing savegame in which i wanted to see what happens to captured mercs and what nots, and I admit, that cutscenes are really fun.

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Corporal

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272379]

Thu, 03 February 2011 16:44

Buns is currently offline

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Registered:September 2010

Bigger counterattacks would be a valuable addition to the late game. Now enemy troops don't get seriously larger during the game. Giving that your mercs get more experienced and better armed all the time there is no need to hire more and more mercs in as the game progresses - last but not least because there also is a new RPC wishing to be hired around every other corner.

Having things like the DCA not happening always on the second day and always in Drassen, but at any random time in game, and anywhere in your conquered territory, might force you to maintain additional mercs for defensive purpose annd/or to frequently re-take cities lost.

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First Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272383]

Thu, 03 February 2011 16:49

SpaceViking is currently offline

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Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

Something I added with the new AI (and am still tinkering with) was the idea of offensives. A small offensive would pick sectors in two different cities and send larger (though not DCA sized) attacks against them. A large offensive would send attacks against every sector in a city at once (*) plus an attack elsewhere.

(*) Almost at once. The game cannot handle simultaneous combat in multiple sectors.

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First Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272385]

Thu, 03 February 2011 16:51

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Headhunter

I don't want every single enemy squad to have 60+ members. I just want the squads that are assigned to retake towns bo be larger but fewer.

Yeah, that's the basic flaw of the current AI. It is completely predictable. Every X days it sends the same sized group to the same spot and they die. It does this until you build up enough militia that it just gives up.

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First Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272386]

Thu, 03 February 2011 16:52

Kladdey is currently offline

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Registered:December 2009

That would be fun SpaceViking, usually I don't hire more mercs cause militia can handle counterattacks pretty well, and with this offensive idea it could get challenging.

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Corporal

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272397]

Thu, 03 February 2011 17:15

Toneone is currently offline

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Registered:October 2008
Location: Germany

Quote:

For instance, did you know there are cut scenes for when the queen retakes a town? I bet most people have never, ever seen that.

Say what?

Very Happy

This game can still surprise me after 10 years...

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Master Sergeant

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272477]

Thu, 03 February 2011 23:24

Lepidosteus is currently offline

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Registered:November 2007
Location: Land of Buns.

SpaceViking

For instance, did you know there are cut scenes for when the queen retakes a town? I bet most people have never, ever seen that.

Hah awesome, I've never seen those!
Let me guess, Elliot ends up being smacked?

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Corporal 1st Class

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272478]

Thu, 03 February 2011 23:26

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

the poor guy really thought he's bringing good news for a change

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Captain

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #272537]

Fri, 04 February 2011 12:13

Kladdey is currently offline

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Registered:December 2009

Sending Deidranna's flower is better anyway, slap bonanza. Sorry for the OT Razz

Razz

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Corporal

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #273638]

Tue, 15 February 2011 20:06

Panopticon is currently offline

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Registered:May 2007

Just a little more OT here. Can't help it. Sorry. Smile

Smile

But what are the cutscenes that most people probably have missed? Can anyone give any points to what I should (not) do? They are wonderful and I wan't them all. Very Happy

Very Happy

Losing a town, whole town?
Getting a merc captured.

Are there more of those gems "hidden"? Smile

Smile

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Private 1st Class

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #273639]

Tue, 15 February 2011 20:11

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

miss d needs to retake an entire town for that scene

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Captain

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #273642]

Tue, 15 February 2011 22:26

TeeWee is currently offline

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Registered:February 2010

Regarding bigger counterattacks, is it possible to make squad sizes progressively larger? Use something like the following parameters:
STARTING_SQUAD_SIZE
MAX_SQUAD_SIZE
SQUAD_GROWTH_RATE

The squads start at STARTING_SQUAD_SIZE. The MAX_SQUAD_SIZE sets the maximum squad sizes at the tail end of the game. The SQUAD_GROWTH_RATE is a parameter that governs how fast the squad sizes grow from starting squad size to max squad size.

Perhaps it would also be possible to set the yellow/red/black ratios in a progressive manner, if this is not already there.

This way, you can perhaps better control the way the difficulty of the game increases when the player progresses further.

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Private 1st Class

Re: Bigger Counterattacks[message #273643]

Tue, 15 February 2011 22:45

SpaceViking is currently offline

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Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

It would probably be better just to set a maximum and have it scale down based on game progress.

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First Sergeant

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