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Drassen counterattack size[message #205363] Thu, 01 January 2009 21:22 Go to next message
Therion is currently offline Therion

 
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Is there any way to change it? The current attack is a bit unbalanced and on the other hand turning it off is a bit lame.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205379] Fri, 02 January 2009 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KEN C

 
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If it is to tough for you then why not play novice?

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205384] Fri, 02 January 2009 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Therion is currently offline Therion

 
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I'm playing novice. Getting swarmed with 60+ enemy soldiers is as deadly on novice as on other difficulty levels.

EDIT:
I think I know what happened. Does the counterattack include whole Alma garrison?

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205386] Fri, 02 January 2009 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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1. OLDNOOOB
If it is to tough for you then why not play novice?


2. Therion
I'm playing novice. Getting swarmed with 60+ enemy soldiers is as deadly on novice as on other difficulty levels.


3. bingo?

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205399] Fri, 02 January 2009 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Therion is currently offline Therion

 
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Hah, nevermind, I figured out how to beat them Very Happy .

I just put 3/4 (15) of my militia and all my mercs in lower left part of the map (in cover and reasonably far from the edge.). The plan was to concentrate my forces and destroy two enemy squads (24 men) that would enter from south and from west and then depending on situation withdraw south or west or destroy the rest.
All would go well, but - half of militia abandoned their positions and started running around like headless chickens or going east to help the few that were delaying the main enemy force, despite my orders to hold position.
So, I lost half of militia firepower, which basically destroyed my whole plan. I wonder if better trained militia gets more disciplined...
Regardless of that the battle went relatively well - two mercs got wounded and I had to use another mercs to give them first aid, but all enemies in sight were either killed, wounded or suppressed.
Then I discovered that the enemy can get reinforcements during the battle and they managed to wound another merc.
Anyway, the enemy managed to destroy the militia in the east and I decided that It's time to withdraw my mercs.
Suddenly, another reinforcement (4 soldiers) appeared on the cliff above mine entrance. They engaged the remaining militia and one of my mercs managed to kill one of them before retreating.
I planned to use smoke grenades to cover the retreat, but for some reason most of them managed to land way off target, leaving my mercs completely exposed.
Taking in account that they were outnumbered 1:2 and further enemies were coming from the east, the retreat quickly turned into an escape. To make things worse 3/4 of my mercs got wounded by a long burst from M16A1 (sometimes I hate that range compression...).
One of my mercs was unable to escape the area, and (ashamed of his awful smoke grenade throw) left to buy some time for his buddies. He managed to shoot two enemies and then got shot during an attempt of escaping. The enemy lost 3 12 men squads.
Some time later 3 mercs made a few hit run attacks at night and finally liberated Drassen.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205402] Fri, 02 January 2009 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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as far as i know, reasonable commanders put into consideration the reliability of their troops and allies, just noobs issue orders to people who can't follow them (have a look on stalingrad). those noobs afterwards, or during the battle try to trick history.

Hitler
The duty of the men at stalingrad is to be dead


Therion
One of my mercs was [...] left to buy some time for his buddies.


where is the difference?


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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205407] Fri, 02 January 2009 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Therion is currently offline Therion

 
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Logisteric
as far as i know, reasonable commanders put into consideration the reliability of their troops and allies, just noobs issue orders to people who can't follow them (have a look on stalingrad). those noobs afterwards, or during the battle try to trick history.

Yeah, because it was totally written in game manual, that militia ignores orders. Trick history? Yeah, whatever :gaga: .

Logisteric
Hitler
The duty of the men at stalingrad is to be dead


Therion
One of my mercs was [...] left to buy some time for his buddies.


where is the difference?

Here's the difference - it's just a game (which I happened to start playing a month ago). If you can't see the difference start taking pills.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205410] Fri, 02 January 2009 19:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cougar

 
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If we are not looking at it from a game standpoint.:
Logisteric
as far as i know, reasonable commanders put into consideration the reliability of their troops and allies, just noobs issue orders to people who can't follow them (have a look on stalingrad). those noobs afterwards, or during the battle try to trick history.

Hitler
The duty of the men at stalingrad is to be dead


Therion
One of my mercs was [...] left to buy some time for his buddies.


where is the difference?


That he was ashamed of his throw and willingly did it? But how does it matter? Are you saying that leaving someone behind to protect others is wrong, all the time? I'm not saying you do but since you put a quote from Hitler there I assume you want to make a point. There's at least two factors to take into account here and the most important is your ethical view. Right and wrong are not absolutes, they differ from person to person and even during the life of a person. Something that is considered acceptable when you are 25 may be considered completely wrong when you are 50 (or for that matter 26).

Besides you did one of the absolutely worst thing a person can do in an internet discussion, you falsified a statement to suit your agenda! Let's take a look at this.
Therion
One of my mercs was unable to escape the area, and (ashamed of his awful smoke grenade throw) left to buy some time for his buddies.

In this line Therion can mean two things:
The first meaning is that the merc left the group to protect it.
The second is that Therion left this merc to protect the group.

But your falsified statement can only mean one thing:
Your fake quote
One of my mercs was [...] left to buy some time for his buddies.
That is incredibly bad etiquette (which, btw also differs) and you should refrain from this kind of crap if you want to be taken seriously. Putting [...] in it does not make it any better. People who didn't read Therions post can easily get the impression that he said that he left his merc to die, which he didn't necessarily do.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205413] Fri, 02 January 2009 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Therion is currently offline Therion

 
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cougar
Besides you did one of the absolutely worst thing a person can do in an internet discussion, you falsified a statement to suit your agenda! Let's take a look at this.
Therion
One of my mercs was unable to escape the area, and (ashamed of his awful smoke grenade throw) left to buy some time for his buddies.

In this line Therion can mean two things:
The first meaning is that the merc left the group to protect it.
The second is that Therion left this merc to protect the group.

Speaking more precisely, he had a brother in group and a choice between getting shot by enemy in flight or staying and buying some time and protecting his wounded team mates (for whose state he was partially responsible).

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205456] Sat, 03 January 2009 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Maalstroom is currently offline Maalstroom

 
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sorry to stick my nose in it. when it comes to drassen i'm in the very begining of the game is the first town i go in no matter what if there is a chance to buy weapons. so i find myself in very bad situation - i'm all alone 1 merc with some pure skills like med and expl at 15 or 35 in first ver. average agility poor stenght - totally unballanced - but highest wisdom, leadeship just above 60 and mrk as high as possible and allways nightops and stealth as skills - so night is my friend and in silence no one gets left behind it takes a lot of time but works all the time! after i buy whatever i want from br an mp5sd and some ammo or p90 drassen is just as easy as a walk in the park if you are waiting for the night!

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205485] Sat, 03 January 2009 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking is currently offline SpaceViking

 
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Don't go to Drassen first. Go to Chitzena and stop off in San Mona along the way.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205567] Mon, 05 January 2009 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hairysteed is currently offline Hairysteed

 
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SpaceViking
Don't go to Drassen first. Go to Chitzena and stop off in San Mona along the way.

Or just stop after having taken the Airfield and the mine sectors.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #205575] Mon, 05 January 2009 04:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Biernath_J is currently offline Biernath_J

 
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The only problem with drassen counterattack is reinforcements.
Just turn off those in the .ini and they will attack few times in a row with smaller, more managable forces. So you won't be facing 60 enemies at once, but, say - 4x15.
Reinforcements make game almost impossible, regardless of the difficulity level. I was playing ironman game and I almost gave up at meduna, when elite troops popped behind my back after turn 3 - ignoring the fact that they came from the same empty sector I just conquered.

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Re: Drassen counterattack size[message #304111] Tue, 01 May 2012 06:52 Go to previous message
Lord Nyghthawk is currently offline Lord Nyghthawk

 
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I know this is kind of an old topic, but the best way I found to survive that attack, on Experienced Level, is to camp out on top of the mining building, and make sure you leave a couple of mercs facing the north, to take care of any "surprise climbers" About the worst thing I suffered, was possibly running out of ammo, lol. And if you stop at the airport to order supploes, before taking the middle & mine, then ammo's not even likely to be much of a problem.

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