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HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306502] Tue, 26 June 2012 16:55 Go to next message
Deathwyrm

 
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I've heard lot of people complaining about AIMNAS's new bigmaps-only release policy.
There's various reasons, and I'm not here to debate the matter.
What I am here to do is show you how to use the old maps on a recent release.



1. Edit the vfs_config.JA2113AIMNAS.ini file to comment out the bigmaps section:
#[LOC_datamaps_dir]
#TYPE = DIRECTORY
#PATH = Data-Bigmaps
#MOUNT_POINT =

(You could also remove those lines instead of adding the # at the front, it doesn't matter.)


And, EITHER:
2. Copy the Ja2_Options.INI from Data-1.13 to Data-AIM (overwrite the one which is there already, or move it out of the way first)

3. Edit it (the new one in Data-AIM, that is) as follows:
MAX_ITEM_SIZE = 949
MAX_WEAPON_SIZE = 599
OLD_INVENTORY_ITEM_NUMBER = 1000



OR:
2. Edit the existing Data-AIM Ja2_Options.INI with this, if you prefer the AIMNAS settings:
INITIAL_MERC_ARRIVAL_LOCATION = 4870



I haven't tested it extensively yet so don't know if there's any lurking problems, but it seems to work well enough. Smile
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306503] Tue, 26 June 2012 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Crador

 
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Now one more step - AIMNAS with NCTH, and we are set Smile
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306507] Tue, 26 June 2012 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
@Mae

Could you also do a step by step HOWTO for Tais new SCI?
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306508] Tue, 26 June 2012 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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Those suggestions may work, but are not officially supported Any complains if something doesn't work should be addressed accordingly.


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306509] Tue, 26 June 2012 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tais

 
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tao
@Mae
Could you also do a step by step HOWTO for Tais new SCI?

Sorry, that one falls into the department of "You're shit out of luck".
The maps have been overwritten as it isnt using the standard VFS setup Smile


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306510] Tue, 26 June 2012 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
I know, but it is possible homey.
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306511] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tais

 
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Yes, hf replacing maps, tilesets and other stuff, though that would kinda make the SCI part not so true anymore now would it?


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306513] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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Tao, if you can't contribute anything useful, but only Trolling attempts, I'd like to ask you to stop posting in the AIMNAS sub-forum. Thanks.


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306514] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buuface

 
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Hello,

I took Tais' "SCI_AIMNASv20_r4561_20110709_fixed" and copied the Wildfire maps mods from this SVN over the top.

https://ja2svn.dyndns.org/source/ja2/branches/Wanne/JA2%201.13%20Wildfire%206.06%20-%20Maps%20MOD


I copied Ja2_Options.INI from Data-1.13 to Data-AIM

and changed INITIAL_MERC_ARRIVAL_LOCATION to 4870

That seems to be working,..



Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306515] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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buuface
Hello,
I took Tais' "SCI_AIMNASv20_r4561_20110709_fixed" and copied the Wildfire maps mods from this SVN over the top.
https://ja2svn.dyndns.org/source/ja2/branches/Wanne/JA2%201.13%20Wildfire%206.06%20-%20Maps%20MOD
I copied Ja2_Options.INI from Data-1.13 to Data-AIM
and changed INITIAL_MERC_ARRIVAL_LOCATION to 4870
That seems to be working,..
You're ... overwriting standard 160x160 WF maps with slightly older and less refined standard 160x160 WF maps? Why?


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306516] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
I am trying to get Lestan's Wildfire maps for 4552 right now.
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306517] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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What about the "I'd like to ask you to stop posting in th AIMNAS subforum" part didn't you get?



Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306518] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Hot damn! I got it to work!

Set: INITIAL_MERC_ARRIVAL_LOCATION = 4870

Download: http://kermi.pp.fi/JA_2/Maps/Wildfire/v4552+/

OVERWRITE All






Edit : removal of some text .

[Updated on: Tue, 26 June 2012 22:54]

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306519] Tue, 26 June 2012 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buuface

 
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oops sorry was using the wrong SCI i meant to use AIMNASv27, sorry about that

try again
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306522] Tue, 26 June 2012 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deathwyrm

 
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tao
Could you also do a step by step HOWTO for Tais new SCI?

That was researched using the ER SCI, did he change how he does them for the latest? If not, it should work as written. I'll grab it and check...

Edit: Yeah, looks like he did change it with the v27 SCI. Would be very tricky to do with that one. Easier to just grab the normal SCI and install AIMNAS over it.



smeagol
Those suggestions may work, but are not officially supported Any complains if something doesn't work should be addressed accordingly.

Actually, any complaints that something doesn't work, you're on your own. I'm fully expecting things to be broken and I won't fix it either. Razz

[Updated on: Tue, 26 June 2012 22:21] by Moderator

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306827] Wed, 04 July 2012 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buuface

 
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Mae if I want to use the maps from AIMNASv21 instead of the old Vanilla maps (with the latest AIMNAS and exe), What should i do ?

Thanks

[Updated on: Wed, 04 July 2012 09:52] by Moderator

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #306859] Thu, 05 July 2012 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
buuface

 
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PS: Unlike Tais v27 SCI the 'AIMNAS Easter Release" doesn't appear to be NCTH supported

The best i can do at the moment is use Tai v27 SCI and overwrite the maps and tilesets with those from v21.

But the game crashes when I enter or exit the rebel hideout.
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #307097] Mon, 09 July 2012 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bambusar

 
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I am noob on that forum and new on JA2 1.13 and mods, so excuse me if i sound stupid...
As I understand there are some problems with maps on AIMNAS MOD.

First I followed this instructions (Installing AIMNAS - All you need to know)
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/305818/Installing_AIMNAS_All_you_need.html#Post305818
and installed AIMNAS EASTER Release from 6.7.2012
EASTER release link
In thread I saw that only some sectors with red X are playable, those are new big maps. Other sectors arent finished so I tried first few. They worked great but now I want to see whole game like this...

Then I tried Maes advice in this thread to convert AIMNAS to old maps where you can play whole game.
It worked. But It seemed to me that maps are converted to OLD JA2 vanilla maps.
Am I right there?


Then I found this thread (Tais' SCI's Part 3) http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/301591/1.html
and this version of AIMNAS from 20-Jun-2012
SCI_113tais_r5354_AIMNASv27 from http://kermi.pp.fi/JA_2/v1.13_Releases/Unofficial/English/tais/
What maps does this version feature? New big ones or old small ones?

What I would actually want is to play AIMNAS with maps from Wildfire mod. Is this possible?

[Updated on: Mon, 09 July 2012 23:53] by Moderator

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #307101] Tue, 10 July 2012 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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Go and ask Tao.


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #307110] Tue, 10 July 2012 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bambusar

 
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Last version SCI_113tais_r5354_AIMNASv27 seemed promising. There were no red Xs, since initial resolution is set to 800*600.
Well I was kind of dissapointed when they appear back when I set resolution to 1024...
I guess I will just go through that X marked sectors. I just set ini files and create new team.
I dont like to play on old maps, its almost 10 years since I was playing that maps and I still remember some features. I want new content.
I liked map on Shady Job, but that mod is to buggy, I didnt manage to get it to work properly.

Anyway tnx Smeagol for this. Its massive work what you have accomplished with this mod.
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #307185] Tue, 10 July 2012 21:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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*bump* for ordering reasons


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #311034] Tue, 09 October 2012 04:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
radioactivejesus

 
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is there a way to play with all the features of AIMNAS but still use the zoomed in close-up view from the original jagged alliance? I like to play with only 4-8 mercs, so even though the massive maps are awesome the zoomed out view makes it harder for me to focus on things
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #311036] Tue, 09 October 2012 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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With zoomed-in view you mean a lower screen resolution, I guess?

If yes, that can easily be changed in the ja2.ini in the main ja2 folder. Just change the resolution there to this (wall of text, cut directly from the ja2.ini behind the spoiler sign, thus hidden):

Toggle Spoiler


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #311037] Tue, 09 October 2012 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
radioactivejesus

 
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that was a quick fix, thank you Smile. Just assumed it was hardcoded in with the larger maps instead of being a different resolution than I'm used to.
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #311038] Tue, 09 October 2012 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
radioactivejesus

 
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ok, one more problem then I'm out of everyone's hair for a bit. The animations for each soldier go way faster than I want, but only during the enemies turn, when I'm in control things move at the regular speed. Tried setting the highspeed timer to false in the .ini and turned off all the ingame highspeed settings but it didn't change anything
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #311040] Tue, 09 October 2012 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
smeagol

 
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That's probably the speed setting for enemy / militia turns. That setting can be found in the ja2options.ini in the appropriate data folder (probably in data-aim or data-bigmaps, depending on version).

Current settings probably look like this (just make a text search for "speed" in the ini file):


ENEMY_TURN_SPEED_UP_FACTOR = 0.3



change Enemy Turn Speed to 1.0


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #356866 is a reply to message #311040] Mon, 04 March 2019 03:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SecretStamos

 
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Hey sorry to bump this, but I'm actually encountering an issue with the latest version.

The old maps refer to the original item IDs, and since the items in AIMNAS are completely rebased/reordered, this results in a lot of Placeholder NADA items in the vanilla maps. For instance, a chest in the original maps containing Bipod (uiIndex 209 in Vanilla) will contain an empty placeholder (uiIndex 209 in AIMNAS). A bipod in AIMNAS is index 1021.


Anyone able to think of a good solution to this problem? It's looking a little bit like a slogfest, since I might have to merge the old item lists with the AIMNAS item lists, which might be very difficult/tedious to do.
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #356869 is a reply to message #356866] Mon, 04 March 2019 03:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You have a job on your hands . . . Merging Items.XMLs will be a major headache because AIMNAS and v1.13 items are not entirely compatible. Alternately, you can delete all items on a map in the Map Editor and place new items. Tedious to the extreme but safer and less prone to error than merging AND modifying Items.XMLs.




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Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #356871 is a reply to message #356869] Mon, 04 March 2019 03:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SecretStamos

 
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Yeah, it's quite a bear. I was thinking one of two things:

A. Staying in AIMNAS. Compare the original item list, and carry over the important items I'd expect to be in the maps. This would likely lead to a lot of duplicate items, but would effectively fill in the correct items where they need to go.

B. Return to Vanilla 1.13, try and carry over the important items from AIMNAS into vanilla. Primarily some of the weapons, gear and armor.


I'm in a bit of a predicament. AIMNAS undoubtedly has 1.13 beat on the sheer scale of items and weapons, it's amazing. However, I want to play on the original maps since those are what Arluco is to me. The Big Maps are nice, but they make it feel like a totally new island.

[Updated on: Mon, 04 March 2019 04:41]

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #356881 is a reply to message #356871] Tue, 05 March 2019 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can try using the tool I made to remap items in the old aimnas maps to the ones in new aimnas version. It takes a bit of setting up, but you should be able to get a quick and dirty version working in a reasonable amount of time.

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #356918 is a reply to message #356881] Fri, 08 March 2019 04:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SecretStamos

 
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I'd be interested, though I must profess, I'm actually not familiar with the item placement in the vanilla map because I've never actually been to most of the sectors.


Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #357023 is a reply to message #306502] Thu, 21 March 2019 19:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
UBAH

 
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I might add - in order to play AIMNAS on small maps you will want to at least return BASE_SIGHT_RANGE to 14 in place of 25 in Data-AIM/Ja2_Options.ini
Also breath loss in APBPConstants.ini should be returned to normal values.
And CTHConstants.ini should be edited in order to reduce firing accuracy.

[Updated on: Thu, 21 March 2019 19:22]

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #357695 is a reply to message #357023] Fri, 26 July 2019 19:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HellsWind

 
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UBAH wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 19:21
I might add - in order to play AIMNAS on small maps you will want to at least return BASE_SIGHT_RANGE to 14 in place of 25 in Data-AIM/Ja2_Options.ini
Also breath loss in APBPConstants.ini should be returned to normal values.
And CTHConstants.ini should be edited in order to reduce firing accuracy.

Thank you handy for my uhm... research big grin

[Updated on: Fri, 26 July 2019 19:04]

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #358485 is a reply to message #357695] Tue, 12 November 2019 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vincent J. Claymore

 
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I applied the changes in the first post. It works, but now all ammo types are black. How do I fix that?
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #358486 is a reply to message #358485] Tue, 12 November 2019 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vincent J. Claymore wrote on Tue, 12 November 2019 22:25
I applied the changes in the first post. It works, but now all ammo types are black. How do I fix that?
Copy AmmoTypes.xml from Data-Bigmaps



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Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #358491 is a reply to message #358486] Tue, 12 November 2019 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vincent J. Claymore

 
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To where? Data-AIM? Or Data-113?
Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #358492 is a reply to message #358491] Wed, 13 November 2019 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vincent J. Claymore wrote on Wed, 13 November 2019 00:11
To where? Data-AIM? Or Data-113?
You should never install any mods or change anything in Data-1.13, you have mod folder and profile folder for that.



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Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #358494 is a reply to message #358492] Wed, 13 November 2019 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vincent J. Claymore

 
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Thank you. In that case, how can I tell which folder a mod uses for which files? There has got to be some reason why AIMNAS uses two Data folders...

Edit: Or to be more precise, I would like to merge the item lists so that the item references in the small maps link to an equivalent item in AIMNAS. Which files from which folders to I have to merge? Is ita the vanilla data or data-113 for the maps? I.e. the crowbar in Omerta, which number does it use? At the moment it appears as NADA, so it must be a placeholder number in AIMNAS...

[Updated on: Wed, 13 November 2019 19:31]

Re: HOWTO: New AIMNAS on old (small) maps[message #358508 is a reply to message #358494] Sun, 17 November 2019 12:27 Go to previous message
Vincent J. Claymore

 
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Okay, nevermind. I figured it out.

Now I have another "problem". The bio texts for some mercs, both on AIM and MERC are wrong and actually describe another merc. Can this be a result of using the original map folder?
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