Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #310961]
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Sat, 06 October 2012 09:37
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abradley |
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Quote:October 4, 2012
What Happened Last Night
Walter Russell Mead
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What Governor Romney did last night was less to win a debate with President Obama than to vault over him to position himself as the Jacksonian candidate in the 2012 race. President Obama allowed himself to be cast as the professorial intellectual who cites
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311258]
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Wed, 17 October 2012 11:25
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Of the two candidates I "slightly" prefer Obama. But< in my opinion, I don't think it really matters.
Let's face it. Washington is broke. The partisan bikering and stalemate is probably the worst in american politcal history. Nothing is getting done.
It's at the point that I really and truely miss "earmarks". At least then, each party could "buy" enough votes to get something done.
Now, without that option, we're seeing only politicans with tons of money getting elected and the only ones throwing money at them seem to be elite partisan fanatics on both sides.
It will probably take a crisis of "Biblical" proportions to get them to do anything resembling bi-partisan. And the way things are going right now, the two partys will probably end up creating that crisis themselves.
Even if, by some miracle, either party obtained a majority, both sides are so filled with fanatical extremists, that either side will still screw things up royally. Which will then lead to the other side capturing the majority during the next set of elections and pretty much doing the same thing.
It's sad times we have in store for the next decade or two.
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311280]
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Thu, 18 October 2012 08:54
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DaethWalker |
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Extremists seem to run things now.
Personally my political views are probably more conservative and republican than liberal and democartic.
That said, the republican party has gone so far to the fanatical right, that I basically vote democratic.
For instance: I consider myself pro-life. But, what exactly does that mean now? For me, it means finding an option other than abortion if possible. Carrying the child to term and putting it up for adoption. Or if the mother wants to keep the child, but needs help, providing that help, whether it's finacial or counciling, etc...
But, that does not mean creating laws that force women to carry to term a pregnacy they don't want or for whatever reason, can't handle. And it certainly doesn't mean creating laws that criminalize doctors and health care providers that offer abortion as an option.
Women should have the right to choose. But at the same time, we have the knowledge and the technology to provide birth control that pretty much guarantees (99%) there should be no unwanted pregnacies. So, the only unwanted pregancies that should exist would be through rape.
Instead we still have millions of women who forgo birth control either due to lack of education or draconian religious beliefs that they will burn in hell.
Today's republican party supports abstinence, which if anyone actually remembers being a kid is fucking ridiculous. They hate sex-ed, because they've obviously never turned on a computer or read a book, so they think that will turn their children in to sex-crazed zombies .... which naturally happens when they hit puberty anyways. And they think birth control is a "gateway drug" to "fornication" ... no, that's puberty and until we figure out a way to shut down puberty and legally neuter our children, they are going to have sex.
It's better to educate them and provide them with birth control at an early age, than to force them to go through unwanted pregnacies and marriages so that they conform to some idealogical fantasy of a perfect world that doesn't exist.
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311281]
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Thu, 18 October 2012 09:37
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Khor1255 |
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HeadhunterWhat I don't understand is why Americans (generally) don't vote for third-party candidates. I mean, whenever I hear Americans complain about Washington their solution is either not voting at all or voting for the party (Dem or Rep) that doesn't hold the presidency and that seems futile if the intention is to "fix the system". I've lived here all my life and I don't completely understand. I mean, I get that the entire election system requires massive amounts of advertizing dollars so the only chance someone has to win is by raising this cash. Once elected they then have an obligation to their financers (or so they think) so they start pandering. But what I don't get is why so many Americans who know how bought and sold this system is refuse to even try to take a third party candidate seriously.
This is why we need campaign finance reform. But guess who doesn't want that? You guessed it, all the people that have any possible chance of making it happen.
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311308]
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Fri, 19 October 2012 20:40
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Logisteric |
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2. if you get taxcuts for political donations (only thing i'm speakin of here) that even rewards bigger donations - i'm not talking about cuts for other donations. if you don't get taxcuts for polital party donations in the us just forget it, we do here (up to 5%).
3. of coursde it has to get somewhere else and when i say fines i mean AUTOMATICALLY and thrice the amount of money
of course there might occur the need to financy campaigns with public money, but in my book that's a cheap price to pay.
eith:
after having read gorro's post: by tax cuts i mean tax deductions
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Captain
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311318]
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Sat, 20 October 2012 10:50
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Logisteric |
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as you said: won't gonna happen -> millionaires (only those can afford to kickstart a campaign) and what are those 'needs' anyway? tv-spam, phone-spam, email-spam, snailmail-spam or maybe a letter-campaign that contents their programs (thisone would probably be not allowed as noone needs it)?
don't think so, talent goes where the money is - tell me one reason why potus shouldn't have 5 millions/year taxfree
... + a few special laws about cheating to the public, which may get him/her into jail more easily (obviously not for something like that lewinsky-stuff)
... + no presidential pardons for ex-presidents (tricky dicky-wise). this is sth only congress in joined session should be able to do.
this could be easily done, too for senators (2 mill) and representatives (1 mill) but don't forget their plusses
secretaries could be at 3 mill and zhe veep at 4 but it should always be accompanied by a 'get into jail for free'-card of sorts.
edith:
what exactly is an honest man? when i pass through the tenannts of no 1600 pensylvaniy avenue for honest men i stops at tennant #26, of course the first few (but not all of them) and maybe #16 - when it comes to reagan i get a problem with what he said about taxes during his campaigns and what he did while in office, let alone reaganomics (having no clue's got nothing to do with being honest, though). however, i don't doubt that raising taxes was the right thing to do in those cases he did. ghwb would have been the one to cut back the arms-race that killed the soviet union but he didn't and thus allowed it to kill your economics, too.
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311326]
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Sat, 20 October 2012 15:05
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Khor1255 |
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One of the reasons I wanted McCain for president:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act
Quote:As noted in McConnell v. Federal Election Commission, a United States Supreme Court ruling on the BCRA, the Act was designed to address two issues:
The increased role of soft money in campaign financing, by prohibiting national political party committees from raising or spending any funds not subject to federal limits, even for state and local races or issue discussion;
The proliferation of issue advocacy ads, by defining as "electioneering communications" broadcast ads that name a federal candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election, and prohibiting any such ad paid for by a corporation (including non-profit issue organizations such as Right to Life or the Environmental Defense Fund) or paid for by an unincorporated entity using any corporate or union general treasury funds. The decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission overturns this provision, but not the ban on foreign corporations or foreign nationals in decisions regarding political spending. True, this law doesn't go far enough but under the current president the 60 year trend of trying to reel in campaign spending has done a 180. Yes, I know he says he fought against this and he probably did to some degree but issues like this are far more important than a gutted health care bill no one is satisfied with.
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Sergeant Major
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311350]
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Sun, 21 October 2012 12:18
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Logisteric |
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1. the statistacial chance that a president dies in office comes with age (especially when you compare mccain to obama) so palin was a much bigger threat than biden.
surviving the hanoi hilton does not mean you automatically get 80 or more years, does it. to the contrary 'died of old war injuries' is something not anheard of.
in my book your 26th president - a republican, btw - was - at least - your greatest president in the 20th century. => i'm not always against republicans. btw. if his cousin jailed prescott b. the world would have been spared of prescott's grandson, which means i'm also not always for a democrat (probably the cousin was one of your most dishonest but nevertheless a good president.
the most underrated was #37 (that was mostly one thing, but he should have gone to jail for it) - he got you out of that vietnamese quackmire, he went to china etc. but there is of course watergate. when it come to honesty he ws in a league with the kennedys => do we really need honest politicians or could it be that effective ones are better for our countries? the word realpolitik goes back to f
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311353]
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Sun, 21 October 2012 13:00
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Khor1255 |
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Very cool. You aren't with the typical European mindset. That is refreshing.
Logisteric1. the statistacial chance that a president dies in office comes with age (especially when you compare mccain to obama) so palin was a much bigger threat than biden. Yes, Palin would have been a much worse situation than Biden on greens. I agree with that but there was (is) no sign that McCain's health wasn't going to hold out. The whole heartbeat away from the presidency thing was used here by people already not wanting any Republican in office. I understand the concern and in my opinion McCain's choice of a running mate was the only thing that gave me pause about voting for him. He was and is a true hero and has sacrificed in no small way for people in his charge. We need folks like that in elected office.
Logistericsurviving the hanoi hilton does not mean you automatically get 80 or more years, does it. to the contrary 'died of old war injuries' is something not anheard of. Of course, but there was absolutely no sign that McCain wasn't going to last 4 years and (4 years later) there still isn't. Now, that said I actually do like a few of the decisions Obama made that were contrary to what McCain was wanting. I think our hands off approach during the Arab Spring was a wise thing etc. But of the two I'd still vote for McCain in a heartbeat.
Logistericin my book your 26th president - a republican, btw - was - at least - your greatest president in the 20th century. Ummm, Harrison left office in 1893. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else?
Logisteric i'm not always against republicans. btw. if his cousin jailed prescott b. the world would have been spared of prescott's grandson, which means i'm also not always for a democrat (probably the cousin was one of your most dishonest but nevertheless a good president. Again, I really don't know who you are talking about here. I don't know really anything about Harrison but I will tell you the Republicans of his day were the more liberal party. There was a sea change around the time of the depression or perhaps a little after. A Republican of the 19th century would likely vote Democrat or Independant if he had to in the 20th.
Logistericthe most underrated was #37 (that was mostly one thing, but he should have gone to jail for it) - he got you out of that vietnamese quackmire, he went to china etc. but there is of course watergate. when it come to honesty he ws in a league with the kennedys => do we really need honest politicians or could it be that effective ones are better for our countries? the word realpolitik goes back to f
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Sergeant Major
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Re: Romney's Jacksonian Pivot.[message #311795]
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Mon, 05 November 2012 02:43
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Khor1255 |
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That's a good point. However, I tend to be suspicious of someone who fails to outline his plan especially when the stakes are this high. All he keeps essentially saying is that he is going to change everything Oboingo did. If I thought everything this bozo did was wrong I might feel hopeful about Romney but the fact is alongside the massive derp this fool has managed to do some good. Not the least of which was his foreign policy which I feel was pretty freakin awesome.
I never expected for one second I'd be saying that but either he listened to some sound advice or is just a natural at such things. Not enough for me to vote for someone who allowed Chrysler to fail and is basically just another corporate schill but pretty cool all the same.
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