I'm not sure if that article is supposed to be an aprils's fool or not...

I do not really undestand. I shot 3-4 long bursts and my weapon's temperature becomes maximized. But how the hell should I stand in the beginning of the game against enemy without suppression? Maybe I am doing something wrong?

cnagorneac

I do not really undestand. I shot 3-4 long bursts and my weapon's temperature becomes maximized. But how the hell should I stand in the beginning of the game against enemy without suppression? Maybe I am doing something wrong?

Assuming the mod you are using does support weapon overheating (AFS and UC for example don't support it yet), you will need to find a weapon that is made for long bursts, or fire a long burst, then wait for the weapon to cool a bit while another character is firing another burst. But I do think you are using a mod that doesn't support overheating.

With the stock values I provided for 1.13, a standard 9mm SMg should be fully overheated after quickly emptying 1-2 magazines. That is fully intended.

You can either use a different gun, fire less bullets, use a different ammunition type, or just alter the values in the .xml-file.

Machine guns can fire way more bullets before they overheat, which gives them an edge compared to ARs and SMGs.

In game terms, I think having the guns' condition degrade while the guns are over-heated is a excellent way to treat them (with jams occurring naturally as the gun degrades--although jams seems to be happening very frequently now; often even when the gun is in the 90% quality range regardless of whether or not the gun is 'hot' or 'cool'--also is very unrealistic--not sure what's up with that?)

The fact that guns jam very frequently when they are in good condition already existed in vanilla. This should be fixed. Enemies never experience gun jams and they often run around with weapons where the status is in the 40s...
There is probably no jam code for their guns but with the current flaw you can't even use a gun that was dropped because it will jam right away.

Based on what Zundman wrote, how about taking the (approxiate, since we can't easily measure them) values from the real world and then divide them by some constant (preferably tweakable in the INI) to fit the game. It's kinda similar to how one tile = 10 meters for the purpose of gun range calculations.

Code clarifications: Guns aren't damaged by heat directly. Heat merely increases the chance that a gun takes damage from firing (this is evaluated every shot). Same for jamming, guns don't jam because of heat, it merely increases the chance that a gun jams. The gun taking damage/jamming are the only kind of malfunctions we have (apart from rather impressive ones with GLs/RPGs). The merc taking damage because his AR is burning seems rather outlandish to me. Adding extra permanent damage when overheated would break the basic concept of the repair threshold - if a gun has of 10, this means that there's a 10% chance that if it's damaged, its threshold gets lowered too. Not 10% + f(temperature).

to 100? If not, changing the global modifiers so that guns take damage every shot, 100% of the time once they hit a certain heat level is almost as good. Some damage would be temporary, some permanent. Seems plausible.

Temperature factoring could be a neat bonus. Certainly night/day cycles are a possibility. Whether or not Arulco has temperature fluctuations big enough to matter is really a matter of fiction. It just depends on what we want to say it is (SOME range is plausible) I'm personally ambivalent. I think it's fine either way.

Cooling guns with canteens would be a great addition. If you can do it, I think it would add a great element to the system.

I'll take a shot at the .xmls. Ammo modifiers would probably only change with the cold-loaded and tracer rounds, and much more so with the later than former, but I'll do some research on the others and get back to you. --Can you send me a crash course in the way the values are calculated so I have an idea of how to adjust them?

Flugente

Code clarifications: Guns aren't damaged by heat directly. Heat merely increases the chance that a gun takes damage from firing (this is evaluated every shot). Same for jamming, guns don't jam because of heat, it merely increases the chance that a gun jams. The gun taking damage/jamming are the only kind of malfunctions we have (apart from rather impressive ones with GLs/RPGs). The merc taking damage because his AR is burning seems rather outlandish to me. Adding extra permanent damage when overheated would break the basic concept of the repair threshold - if a gun has of 10, this means that there's a 10% chance that if it's damaged, its threshold gets lowered too. Not 10% + f(temperature).

Is is possible to add a new condition? (e.g.: If heat = X, then increase to 100? If not, changing the global modifiers so that guns take damage every shot 100% of the time once they hit a certain heat level is almost as good. Some damage would be temporary, some permanent. Seems plausible.

I'll take a shot at the .xmls. Ammo modifiers would probably only change with the cold-loaded and tracer rounds, and much more so with the later than former, but I'll do some research on the others and get back to you. --Can you send me a crash course in the way the values are calculated so I have an idea of how to adjust them?

silversurfer

The fact that guns jam very frequently when they are in good condition already existed in vanilla. This should be fixed. Enemies never experience gun jams and they often run around with weapons where the status is in the 40s...
There is probably no jam code for their guns but with the current flaw you can't even use a gun that was dropped because it will jam right away.

I'm fine with the dropped guns having a degree of damage to them. And I agree with Sam that the enemy suffering jams would nerf the game a little when, IMO, we're trying to find ways to make the AI more threatening. However, the jam threshold on damaged weapons does seem off. When a gun I've picked off an enemy consistently jams when it's still at 94%, that's a little kooky.

In older versions like 4870 stable a gun will rarely jam at 94% condition; the occasional jam starts somewhere in the 80ies and below AFAICS.

Meh, its a micromanagement feature that just slows game down, doesn't make it any harder. I've seen this discussion before at least twice. I'd simply suggest to externalize drop condition of items for each level and people can play it as they want.

Factoring in temperature on generating/losing heat can be done easily. I did not do that because it seems insignificant to me in a small country like Arulco, with a more or less constant climate. Also, the current sector heat system has like 3 different values

Flugente

Factoring in temperature on generating/losing heat can be done easily. I did not do that because it seems insignificant to me in a small country like Arulco, with a more or less constant climate. Also, the current sector heat system has like 3 different values

Remember that 1.13 isn't limited to Arulco - there is nothing against making a mod campaign located on a north pole, or even a map with a campaign with a magical portal that allows you to instantly travel from a polar sector to a desert . Also keep in mind that 1.13 also supportes UB, and Tracona's climate is widely different than Arulco's.

Then again, the next thing you people want is sector specific temperature forecasts, taking into account the rain showers :umbrella: . Resulting in a need for additional 256 * 24 temperature values. Don't deny it, thats exactly what you want here. It never ends with you people :rant2: :heavy: :coffee: :moosegrin: :bluegrin: :wave:

though I wonder at that point if we aren't leaving the TBT/S stuff and trying to become a sim at that point.

pheloncab

though I wonder at that point if we aren't leaving the TBT/S stuff and trying to become a sim at that point.

Let's just skip the peeing on the guns part for now, shall we ?