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Real or fake?[message #347711] Fri, 09 December 2016 18:44 Go to next message
sevenfm

 
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Found this picture showing mosque placements in Germany.
Is it real or fake?

http://i.imgur.com/Cg5d8z4.jpg



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Re: Real or fake?[message #347712 is a reply to message #347711] Fri, 09 December 2016 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is at least plausible and consistent with both other maps and the policies regarding foreign workers in the 70s/80s - i.e. the west mostly drawing from Turkey and SW-Europe and the east from places like Kuba and Vietnam.



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Re: Real or fake?[message #347713 is a reply to message #347712] Fri, 09 December 2016 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@DepressivesBrot
I understand why this could be in 1980x, but nearly 30 years have passed - why nothing was changed?
In Russia, thousands of mosques and churches were built after 1991 everywhere, and I think muslim migration to Germany did not end in 1990, or maybe they don't want to live in eastern Germany for economical or some other reasons.



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Re: Real or fake?[message #347715 is a reply to message #347713] Fri, 09 December 2016 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, last point's pretty much it. The east is still catching up economically so they stay/new ones go to the established communities.



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Re: Real or fake?[message #347717 is a reply to message #347715] Sat, 10 December 2016 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Russia is different I presume. You probably have muslim communities all over the country. You also have different laws and conditions than Germany.

As a muslim immigrant where would you settle? In an area where there are almost no other muslims? In an area where people are still paid less for the same work? In an area where there are still much less jobs (especially well paid jobs for high qualifications)? You'd probably go to the other part of the country just like lots of Germans from the eastern parts did/do. I don't expect that to change for quite some time because people simply have to make a living and they expect it to be better in the west. That's also the main reason in my opinion why so many (economic) refugees want to get to Germany, Austria, France, GB or the Nordic countries.



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Re: Real or fake?[message #347719 is a reply to message #347717] Sat, 10 December 2016 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seems plausible.
Given it, I guess, comes from russian source, it might as well be exaggerated, but not necessarily is. With historacal and economic forces at work this sounds legit.
Re: Real or fake?[message #347720 is a reply to message #347719] Sat, 10 December 2016 12:59 Go to previous message
sevenfm

 
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@all Thank you, it was interesting reading!

@Enneagon Maybe you are right, I don't know the exact source of this map (that's why I'm asking if it's real), but other sources show similar picture:
https://www.moscheesuche.de/moschee/stadt/Berlin/8858

@silversurfer
It's hard to compare because in Russia labour migration is seasonal - they come to work in summer and go home in winter, and there's less work and much less money than in Europe and it's too cold for people from south to live here :-)
I haven't seen similar pictures for Russia but I belive most new built mosques (since 1991) will be in traditional muslim regions but also in Moscow because of similar economical reasons.



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