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| Decoupling damage from gun[message #359323]
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Tue, 31 March 2020 00:40 
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 CareBear |
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Simple - add damage as round property, instead of gun property.Gun would only add modifier to ammo damage, given its barrel length. Also add penetration as a round property, not for ammo type across all ammos -9x19 AP will have different AP property than .308. Is it possible to make?
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Sergeant
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| Re: Decoupling damage from gun[message #359332 is a reply to message #359330]
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Tue, 31 March 2020 20:27 
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| CareBear |
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Will that interact properly with armors? For example i have armor with 25 protection, have a gun with 25 damage, and ammo with 200% damage modifier. Will it inflict 25 damage, or zero, since it's a modifier? Don't know if for armors, its calculated as an absolute value or as a modifier that is later applied?
Still that's how current system works, and sadly it doesn't take caliber into consideration. Guns need to have a baseline damage, and you can't set a specific caliber AP ammo to have better penetration or damage.
Why is that a problem? Suppose you have the basic kevlar vest[IIIA] with 25 protection. And you have your glock 17 with 25 damage, and fn fal with 40 damage. Both use AP ammo withy 0,75 armor nullifier. In real life that 9x19mm AP would go through the vest, but would have limited energy. So far so good, the calculations are pretty much correct -you will make something like 6 dmg on average. on the other hand 7.62x51 will go through the 3A vest like hot knife through butter, and should retain most of it's stopping power. Right now it will still lose almost half of its damage -18/19 dmg[25*0,75], and realistically speaking it should lose at most 20 of its energy, since .308 can easily go through 4-5 IIIA soft body armor stacked together.
Speaking of AP modifier, kevlar armor and plates should also have a coefficient that decrease the armor penetration -ceramic should be best, while kevlar worse.I would generally rework the system if i could. But it needs some changes in the code which i can't do[im not a programmer].
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| Re: Decoupling damage from gun[message #359337 is a reply to message #359336]
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Tue, 31 March 2020 21:55
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| CareBear |
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The only solution is to make an entry for every caliber and ammo type in ammotypes.xml . That would be much more entries, its crude, but it gets the job done. 1.13 SDO has something like this, but in a simpler manner -you have FMJ low penetration, medium and high for different guns.
Edit: After tweaking a bit, i can say it won't do what i want sadly without resorting to some extra large numbers  It's impossible to do this without tweaking the code in .cpp files. What i want is -for example 9x19 is stopped completely by a kevlar vest, while 7.62x51 goes through it uninterupted. But 9x19 can also go uninterrupted through some lesser jackets like flak jacket. The problem is -when you use very high armor piercing value, you then need very high armor tresholds between NIJ levels. For example a 25dmg bullet with 0,1 AP modifier, will go practically uninterrupted through kevlar vest with 25 protection. But then you would need 250 vest to stop it completely. Then you add FMJ rifle ammo with 50 base damage that has to go through that 250 vest with ease, and thus you need 0,01AP modifier. Then you need 5000 vest to stop the rifle bullet. Next you choose AP rifle ammo with 50 base damage, and you need to reliably go through that 5000 vest, you need 0,0005 AP modifier. That's only three levels of hierarchy, what if you wanted a whole NIJ level introduced? Or GOST levels? Very high numbers would be needed, which brings unnecessary strain to calculations.
And you also have that abysmal fluke modifier to damage with can change gun damage by -25 to +25 percent, which is insane, a 50dmg gun can either do 37,5 dmg or 62,5 dmg, which screw any armor treshold calculations.
[Updated on: Wed, 01 April 2020 03:20] Report message to a moderator
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