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Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360691] Sat, 25 July 2020 23:20 Go to next message
gougluinn is currently offline gougluinn

 
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hi i can not fight against 30 troops in one sector if there is no building around. open fields are deadly for me because of enemies' "send someone (bait) for suicide mission then kill them all" tactic.

let me explain. there are 30 enemies and i am at far upper left corner of the map. took position with sniper and 2 other mid-range troops i have. they send 1 guy close to me while they are waiting 40 tiles away, that guy sent before (only one guy) spots me and suddenly all of those 30 troop strong enemies start to shooting at me like the guy they sent has an 4k 60FPS ACTION CAMERA over his head and broadcasting my position to all other his buddies. i am getting defeated every time because one of their auto fires kill my mercs most likely. they are shooting tens of bullets towards me from 30 and more tiles away and kill me instantly lol.

[Updated on: Sat, 25 July 2020 23:22]

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360693 is a reply to message #360691] Sat, 25 July 2020 23:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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another question. there is an enemy like 20 tiles away and somehow he sees me while i can not see him. even threw che. light on his place still can not see him. i am also in dark so i really dont have an idea how he sees me. if anyone wonders here the save file.

save file: https://www5.zippyshare.com/v/J0CgC6ws/file.html
enemy place: (after i've killed this guy he shoots me)
https://i.imgur.com/XrEd7NM.jpg

[Updated on: Sat, 25 July 2020 23:37]

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360694 is a reply to message #360693] Sun, 26 July 2020 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wien1938 is currently offline Wien1938

 
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If an enemy spots one of your mercs, the map position of that merc is known to the other enemy, so they will start using speculative fire against that position. What I have found to work is as follows:
When an enemy spots you, take him down and then shift position by one square. That "turns off" the map marker on that position.

Also, you're using far too few mercs. You need at least six split into two fire-teams of three.

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360697 is a reply to message #360694] Sun, 26 July 2020 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gougluinn is currently offline gougluinn

 
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i did what you suggested changed my position but they still shooting billions of bullets towards me and they are DEADLY (unlike from vanilla) also now they started to shell my positions with mortar LMAO. is this a joke? how can i fight INVISIBLE enemies with equipped alien tech that can spot my exact position from 50 tiles away big grin

here uploaded save try it, they shoot me with mortar shell right after you press turn lol

file: https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/7iEEMgBO/file.html

Wien1938 wrote on Sun, 26 July 2020 00:09
Also, you're using far too few mercs. You need at least six split into two fire-teams of three.
i can not protect (can not find places to cover) for 6 mercs. if i bring 6 mercs they can kill them all big grin

[Updated on: Sun, 26 July 2020 01:23]

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360698 is a reply to message #360691] Sun, 26 July 2020 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Strategy is simple - you don't fight 3 vs 30 on open ground. Otherwise, suppress enemy general direction with LMG, drop smoke, get to the cover, etc etc. Dont have fancy stuff? Don't pick up fights you cant win.

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360700 is a reply to message #360698] Sun, 26 July 2020 02:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you may have noticed maybe they are next to central sam site and waiting to attack there if i dont interrupt. they also brought 20 guys more (attacking from 3 sides) so winning chance is impossible for 20 experienced blue militias. i thought if i eliminate this main group (consist of 30 troops with lots of elites) militias could win the battle...

but in the end i retreated two times after killing 10 enemies in total but they reinforced them too big grin anyway i am gonna retreat to sam site where i will be waiting for them to fight alongside militias (i hate this).

edit: actually it was fun last time i fought with militias. i can snipe elites from long ranges since there are lots of cover places in central sam while enemies dont know how to use wire cutter big grin

wish i had lots of mines big grin next time i am playing this campaign i will order 100 mines and distrubite them to all sam site entrances big grin MASSACREEE

[Updated on: Sun, 26 July 2020 02:26]

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360724 is a reply to message #360700] Mon, 27 July 2020 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Like Legs said, you are picking fights you can't win. 30 to 3 in daylight is a fight you shouldn't even try, you just won't be able to kill them fast enough and eventually they will swarm you. Find another way to get where you want to go, bring more mercs, or wait for night. If you have better NVG, and good camo, night can be the best cover.
You don't have to wait for (or pay for) a shipment from BR, a merc with the right skill set (Demolitions + explosives) can dig up and relocate the mines around facilities you capture. The merc will improve their stats while doing it too.
Another trick in defending; place the mines in straight lines, then detect and flag them. This creates a barrier that the enemy will see and have to go around. You can channel them into areas covered by well emplaced mercs. You do have to guard these barriers somehow, I have had enemy solders disable mines if left unguarded long enough. You also have to be careful with grenades, they can set off the mines and ruin your whole plan. Or setting off the mines at the right time could be part of the plan.

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360728 is a reply to message #360724] Mon, 27 July 2020 23:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well i put my 4 mercs into central sam and enemy attacked at there with ~60 or more soldiers including lots of elites. that was fun battle with my 40 (20 central sam + 20 cambria mine) blue militias. however militias were so stupid and killed at least 10 one of themselves by friendly fire. they even shot and killed my merc once i had to reload an old save after 5 different attempt (save scumming) but every time that idiot militia fired at least 5 bullets to me and killed me instantly.

btw how do you call firing several or lots of bullets at enemy in english? in my native we have a special word for shooting lots of bullets towards enemy but i dont know what do you call it in english?

[Updated on: Mon, 27 July 2020 23:32]

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Re: Strategy for crowded enemy groups[message #360762 is a reply to message #360728] Fri, 31 July 2020 02:58 Go to previous message
Wien1938 is currently offline Wien1938

 
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The militia (and the enemy ai) tend to shoot each other. It's just a hazard of operating with the idiots. Try to keep your mercs away from the militia (better yet, don't defend with militia but prepare killing grounds and fields of fire and defend with 6-10 mercs. Once the big attack is defeated, you can train mercs safely.
One of my tactical approaches for the Central Sam Site is to attack at night from the north, cut a hole in the fence and sneak into the base. Then your team can ambush the patrolling guards and draw the rest into your rifle sights.
Once the site is taken, dig up the mines laid around the southern and western wire, lay these in a pattern around the hole in the fence (but at least 2 sq. away from the fence - the blast will blow new holes in it) or if you want to be a sneaky bastard, put mines BEHIND any cover the enemy might use...(teehee).
Then when the enemy attack, draw them into the northern killing zone while leaving 2-4 mercs to guard the main gateway from behind rocks. Be patient and take your shots. The roof can work as a sniping position but this depends on the enemy's approach.

Word: Try "Burst" - you fire a burst at the enemy.

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