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Kingpin???[message #36184] Mon, 28 August 2006 09:06 Go to next message
Monthy is currently offline Monthy

 
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Just been down in the mine, and stole the money. Am I supposed to kill him, and if yes, should I do it right away? I read something in here about killing him, but can't seem to remember where I read it... Is there something I should wait for, or can I just go up to him and blow his brains out??

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36185] Mon, 28 August 2006 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can kill him whenever you feel like. The only downside to it that comes to my mind is the loss of cash revenue from those bar fist fights. But, Kingpin drops $20.000 and his Steyr AUG so, what the hell lol.

C

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36186] Tue, 29 August 2006 04:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
NocturnalCarnivore is currently offline NocturnalCarnivore

 
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You don't really have to kill him at all. After all, he's just a "businessman." But you can kill him if that's the sort of thing that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36187] Tue, 29 August 2006 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well.... If I don't have to kill him, I might just let him live... for a while :devilaugh:

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36188] Tue, 29 August 2006 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But if you do not kill him, he will continue to send "messages" that he wants his money back. If you can handle his henchmen, then leave him be. When you need more money, just take him down.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36189] Tue, 29 August 2006 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We're the good guys, Kingpin is the bad guy. That grants him an one-way ticket to slab-city.
His business is crime, my business is to keep Arulco clean lol. Just trying to RPG a bit Very Happy

C.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36190] Thu, 31 August 2006 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am taking down Kingpin and cronies, but I want to make sure I don't gun down any civilians. I am only shooting people who start with a crosshair instead of a talk icon, and people carrying guns.

Many of the people I am shooting are not dropping equipment, when I have the game set to drop any equipment. Does this mean I am shooting civvies?

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36191] Thu, 31 August 2006 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jA4EVER is currently offline jA4EVER

 
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@ed_209a

It means you are shooting Kingpin's personal militia l guess, also could be described as civilians.

Smile

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36192] Thu, 31 August 2006 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Originally posted by Monthy:
Just been down in the mine, and stole the money. Am I supposed to kill him, and if yes, should I do it right away? I read something in here about killing him, but can't seem to remember where I read it... Is there something I should wait for, or can I just go up to him and blow his brains out??
To talk with him, first you must win 3 fights in a row in the Extreme Fighting Competition or simply use wirecutters on the fence on Kingpin House and use the backdoor to enter. He'll talk to you.

He'll offer 20K for an item named Chalice of Chance, but you need to bring it to Chitzena, so you can train militia at Balime, so get the Chalice, make a little stop at San Mona, give the Chalice to Kingpin and... LET'S ROCK BABY! Kill Kingpin and his goons, you'll end up with lots of stuff, get the Chalice from Kingpin's dead body, follow Angel's tip an go to the abandoned mine and steal Kingpin hidden treasure ($30K). Since he's now dead he won't send assassins to kill ya. What use have the money for the dead? Wink

Bring the Chalice to Yanni, to get a loyalty boost on all the cities you control, including Balime Smile and... Back to work, Woody!

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36193] Fri, 01 September 2006 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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According to 1 great FAQ you can still deliver the Chalice to Kingpin, than kill him without giving his thugs a reason to shoot you and grab the Chalice and bring it back to "where it belongs".

Just drop a mustard gas grenade "next to" him but not right on him and the gas will eventually kill him off. You can take all his stuff without ever angering anyone. Didnt tried it yet, not sure it works.

Smile

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36194] Fri, 01 September 2006 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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It's more fun waiting on Kingpins hired guns coming after you. You never know when there going to pop up and shoot you in the back. Also keep in mind if you fight with kingpin that you will lose access to Tony the arms dealer, because the town will be hostile to you from then on. I don't know if it settles down after a while or not. I usually just do the fighting in the club and then listen to Kingpins offer about the chalice. Then beat feet to the western sam. Depending on my mood I might do a little spelunking into the SanMona mine and releive Kingpin of his Ben Franklins. It's more fun having the hired guns after you, plus the town won't go hostile either so you can still deal with Tony.

:luckystrike:

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36195] Sat, 02 September 2006 01:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's more fun having the hired guns after you, plus the town won't go hostile either so you can still deal with Tony.
Way to go, Marlboro Man, great idea to spice up the game play. I imagine they show up at the most inopportune times too. :scary: I got to try it.

Do the hired guns come after you throughout the remainder of the game or is there a limited number of Kingpin's hit men?

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36196] Sat, 02 September 2006 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@ Jaws

There actually called "The Assassins". There is 6 of them.

Named:
Ray Baker
Tyrone Banks
Olaf Helinski
Jim Perry
Jack Remington
Olga Statova

I don't know the frequency of when they will show up, I do know after the emails to you from Kingpin arrive and you still don't pay him back, it is usually with 48 hours that the first one will show up. I also don't know how many show up in a game either, all or just some of them.

Good Luck Smile

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36197] Sat, 02 September 2006 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Meh, I just started the ultimate fighting contest, blew away everyone who turned hostile in the club after I gave KP a burst in the face, and then wasted all his malitia in both of the sectors they are in.

That way, I got all the guns they drop, the money KP and assorted goons drop, the money in the mine and (As Madame Layla turns hostile when you kill KP) free use of the "facilities" at the shady lady.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36198] Sat, 02 September 2006 06:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my current game, 4 of the 6 killers already appeardd in the first 14 days (game-time). All of them appear only in urban sectors.The last one attacked Biff in Cambria. Biff was training militia there. The killer shot him twice with his AK, but Biff still had full armor (collected along the way from Drassen to Cambria, forgot to let him drop all the stuff in Cambria).Biff was hit for moderate damage. He had some guns on him too, but no ammo (ammo was previously collected by my spearhead team). All he had was the friggin dart gun and 2 darts. He fired (with all the few extra AP's remaining at aiming), shot Ray in the head. Lo and behold, Ray plummeted to the ground senseless. Holy cow! Then i had no other options (my team was near Tixa just then). SO, poor Biff killed Ray with his bare fists.Took him a while though. WTG, Biff! Very Happy

C.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36199] Sat, 02 September 2006 06:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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LOL !!! Way to go Biff ! That's pretty dam far out. That was the only thing I forgot to mention about the assassins is, they will attack anyone, even your lowly militia trainers that are not protected very well. And as you pointed out they only show up in town sectors.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36200] Sat, 02 September 2006 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that's hilarious. i could only imagine my horror if an assassin came after my prized 70+ leadership militia trainers who are usually lightly armed and armored. if there are militia in the sector do they helf you kill the assassin or would they stand idle while you settle your differences?

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36201] Sat, 02 September 2006 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by jA4EVER:


Just drop a mustard gas grenade "next to" him but not right on him and the gas will eventually kill him off. You can take all his stuff without ever angering anyone. Didnt tried it yet, not sure it works.

It's possible to kill Kingpin without angering anyone else in San Mona shooting at something behind him, takes a while but it works Very Happy

Also it's possible to use a merc with low EXP skill to fuse/defuse explosives near Kingpin:

Once I gave Buzz full Spectra-18, HMX sticks and a detonator, and man, she really messed up the HMX! The HMX was so messed in fact, that it exploded when Buzz placed it on Kingpin feet, who started to make the fire dance after the explosion, well I never needed his Steyr AUG Wink , and Buzz was still alive YAY! Very Happy :rolleyes: :bomb:

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Re: Kingpin???[message #36202] Sat, 02 September 2006 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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:luckystrike:

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Re: Kingpin???[message #154901] Wed, 29 August 2007 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does anyone know what happens to the chalice after you sell it to kingpin? I mean if you don't kill him right away. Because it won't drop if you kill him afterwards.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #154902] Wed, 29 August 2007 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates is currently offline Will Gates

 
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Dunno, check his cupboards. Better (but evil) way is to give it to Yanni; get the fame loyalty boost; whack him by accident; take chalice and sell to KP.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #154922] Wed, 29 August 2007 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jA4EVER
Just drop a mustard gas grenade "next to" him but not right on him and the gas will eventually kill him off. You can take all his stuff without ever angering anyone. Didnt tried it yet, not sure it works.



This trick was fixed after one of the earliest versions, v1.03. It's definitely fixed by v1.07. Patusco's guide was good for its time, but it is rather old, and still has a few mistakes in it too.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #158227] Wed, 19 September 2007 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have really screwed with Kingpin mostly because the guy who wrote the hint guide said it couldn't be done.


First rescue Maria...and hand over the porn to the lesbian.
Btw...only male mercs can go to the brothel otherwise they will tell you to find Brenda.

Check out the bar sometimes Carmen is there...turn over any heads if have them.

If you did the rescue right the brothel owner may even ask you to help find the girl.

Anyway I ususally bet on the fights and win. Blood is good early one and so is Bull. Steriod though strong isn't as good as you might think. Pass the duster around to your mercs and use the energy boosts.

After that you get to have the sit down with the man.

Then you can steal his money if you like. He will email demanding payment. Ignore him but keep watch for his assassins they often come alone though so becareful where you sleep. One time I forgot that and an assassin came in at night and walked right up to Flo.

He went full auto on her but she survived and a militia fighter walked right up to the assassin and blew off his head with one shot. It was great.

If your going to kill kingpin go in at night...my favorite way. Seems like there are less of his boys around. Hit them in the rear of his building otherwise the AI gives all the breaks to the thugs. Use grenades and explosives. The Thugs have plenty of guns but not much in tactics. Go in full strength and cut them down. After that move on to the bar and brothel in the next sector. Watch out for the huge body guard though he drops pretty easy. The bar tender will fight back as well as some of the patrons. I kill the madam and her thugs.

After that is all done San Mona is another safe place for you...you can still buy weapons and the brothel is free. Also you will find a good amount of alcohol and some cash.


Don't play the thug's game. Don't take them head to head. Flank them...take them in the dark...use knives and grenades.


You kill him things will be better and even the Queen doesn't care.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #158342] Thu, 20 September 2007 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In a former life (v1.06) I hired Trevor, and, over the course of many days, amassed a very, very large collection of c4, c1, and remote detonators from Devin and Bobby Ray's. One night, I talked to Kingpin, and then nonchalantly (I don't think I had to sneak around to do this) set explosives all over his house, over at the fight club, and wherever else I could find his goons hangin around. I set up three of my mercs behind the bar in the fight club, and three others south of Kingpin's house. Then Trevor lit the place up. I'd never really done much with explosives prior to this; I giggled like a schoolgirl as I watched the place go up; I blew out enough walls on KP's house that the remaining structure should've collapsed, LOL! Somehow, Kingpin survived, critically wounded, so my IMP put him down with a single shot to the head. It was trivial to mop the place up after all those booms. Never done it since, but it still gives me a warm fuzzy thinking about it Smile

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Re: Kingpin???[message #158429] Thu, 20 September 2007 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I also plant explosives around his place, and do so every time I play because I can never find a better oppertunity to use explosives. I also do the same to the Hick's place; come in by day and wire the whole place, then come in by night and have a -- ha ha -- blast. But I never felt I had "enough" explosives, so I created two explosives caches near San Mona with the map editor. The light shows became even more spectacular! But... I think I can do even more with explosives in San Mona and the Hick's place. Remotely operated booby traps, choke points stuffed with timed bombs... lovely!

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Re: Kingpin???[message #158441] Thu, 20 September 2007 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... I can never find a better oppertunity to use explosives.


That's always kind of disappointed me about JA2. Only once, ever, have I used them during a "normal" fight. There was a locked door and I could hear movement on the other side but I didn't have any lockpicks with that particular group. So I planted some TNT ont he door, backed off, and *boom*. It knocked down the soldier on the other side making him easy pickings.

It would be nice if stuff like that would happen more often and if the AI did it too. That'd teach the people who camp out in some building during the Drassen counterattack. heh.

But, alas, when I play now I stockpile explosives and such and then never use them.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #158451] Thu, 20 September 2007 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another great sector to use explosives is the Bloodcat Arena in Meduna. It's a cheap way to clear the sector, but use explosives on either the southeast or southwest corner room wall, then line your mercs up parallel with the wall, and you get interrupts at point blank range on every enemy and bloodcat as they run through the blown up hole in the wall.

Another useful place is the Central SAM site building, going through the front door is a good way to get interrupted and shot up, so make a new entrance with some TNT.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #159336] Wed, 26 September 2007 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I find explosives useful in taking out walls and fences. The Central Sam site I totally agree. Explosives are almost necessary for that one. Mostly though I justify having an expert around to deal with traps and what not.

I remembered being followed around kingpin's place so I used explosives often to make a door. Night attacks really do a number on those guys. Nightvision goggles are always a great investment.

Steal the money...kill the assassins...hit Kingpin and his fight club...then if your okay with men and ammo march up to the bar/brothel area and start cutting them down. Tony will have no problem doing business with you..

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161269] Thu, 11 October 2007 02:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Being afraid of knocking into spoilers (and previously reading through the first half of this thread, and learning just that) I haven't read everything, so I apologize if this has been answered indirectly;
anyway in my current game I took the stash for the hell of it (never having done it previously), has received the email, and now all civs (ie soldiers and mobsters) with guns in san mona turn hostile on me. Even in the sector with Tony, where I first encountered it. Went in without any call of hostiles in the area, and suddenly a gong and a shot going off. Assumed it was an assassin, but no, 10 hostiles in sight. Is this all in order? From reading this thread earlier on I somehow got the impression it was not to be expected, though in afterthought it makes sense obviously - but just want to be sure.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161305] Thu, 11 October 2007 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yup, Kingpin owns most of San Mona, so if you steal from him, expect some of his regular goons to attack you in those sectors (specifically Kingpin's sector and Tony's sector, but not in Angel's sector).

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161348] Fri, 12 October 2007 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Exactly, thank you Smile

Heh thought it WAS a bug when I had cleared out both sectors but couldn't put danny on doctor (or the other tasks, all grayed out), so again it was like a silent hostile area, on the music and so on. This was in tonys area. So I tried moving them to angels, and back, and it went back to normal. BUT then I shot a crow feasting on some of the mafioso corpses, and again it was hostile, found out when I talked to the XXX vendor (gah, what's his name, hans? likeable guy) and got a typical "stop fighting and we can talk!" message. But it just turned out to be the brothel madame needing sorting. Had in the back of my head that i'd walked through there, possibly missing her somehow, this also fueled my pick with it potentially being a bug.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161354] Fri, 12 October 2007 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Madame shows up after you have killed the other goons , usually the next time you reenter the sector .

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161639] Mon, 15 October 2007 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I usually don't kill Kingpin right away, as the Assasins have some nice gear and I allways like to do them in.
Also, unless you imploy cheese tactics (planting explosive around the house while Kingpin and his goons are friendly) it's not easy to clear San Mona really early.

I usualyl wait to get some better gear, killing off his assasins in the process and then strom San Mona with "lethal force" Wink

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161796] Wed, 17 October 2007 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Never killed Kingpin before. Do the assasins keep coming until you end the game or do they keep coming until you clear out the resistance in San Mona?

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161819] Wed, 17 October 2007 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe there are 6 assassins in total, but I don't remember exactly.

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Re: Kingpin???[message #161822] Wed, 17 October 2007 17:50 Go to previous message
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They start coming after you stole from Kingpin (after he sends you a e-mail stating you have 24 hours to bring him back his $$$ with an extra...and you ignore it)
There's 6 of them and they will keep coming till you kill em all or till yoiu kill Kingpin.

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