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Relearning Tactics?[message #97655] Tue, 11 January 2005 11:56 Go to next message
Hayashi

 
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Registered:April 2003
... or what worked in JA2 doesn't work in UC.

New game, am struggling in B11, my 7-man team is bogged down trying to fend off 19 enemy troops. The action is centred around the west end of the bridge, while progress is slow I think I should win in the end. But my mercs will be in bad shape.

I would like to hear other's opinions on what successful tactics in JA2 can be ported over, and what used to work in JA2 can't be applied relatively successfully in UC. Eg I foregoed my usual night ops IMP as I thought that night ops wouldn't play an important role here, seeing that Danubia is highly urbansied. I also made the mistake of not using my "position the mercs, fire a shot & wait for them to come into the kill zone" tactic - would this work in UC as well?

Any other tips (no spoilers pls) of how to survive, what sort of weapons to get (eg poewrful but short ranged, seeing there's a lot of CQB?) etc would be welcomed. Thanks.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97656] Thu, 13 January 2005 05:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rude Dog

 
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Almost none of my tactics from JA2 work in UC.

I used to walk down the middle of the streets in Arulco like I was Dirty Harry because no one was a better shot or had that much better weaponry to kill my main merc off.

If you do not utilize cover and you go off on a run and gun rampage at any time during UC you will be filling up the body bags and reloading a shitload of times.

The enemies have grown from just your run of the mill backwards assed banana republic buffons into Eastern Block murdering bastards if you aren't careful.

Night ops are important in any combat theatre but you must be patient. As soon as you can move freely doesn't mean that the enemy isn't just out of sight waiting to turn your merc's head into a canoe.

Set up a killl zone to funnel the oposition through but remember that sometimes you can be outflanked and make the best use of corners, doorways, trees, rocks etc to ensure the team's safety.

Sometimes taking a shot is less advantagious than retreating to take up a strong offensive or defensive position.

In B11, I stayed the hell away from the bridge and tried to get the enemy to come to me.

Use Rudedog with his M4 and the CAR15 from the subway under Atremo to pick off the baddies from afar and DO NOT cross the bridge until everything has been lain to waste!
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97657] Fri, 14 January 2005 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alice_spacelab

 
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Location: Scotland, UK
I always go in at night from then west. Get onto the nearest roof and you should get a good opportunity to loose off one of Rude Dog's nukes aka RPO-As.

After that I do just like RUde Dog says. Lie down next to the lake so you can see the bridge and wait for them to pop into view. Tha CAR 15 and M4 have the range.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97658] Sun, 16 January 2005 01:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dr.Quack

 
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Registered:November 2001
Location: old Europe
Well, UC is basically a mod with the aim of making the game as easy as possible. The only thing that might be a bit problematic is abusive play like expecting to solo the whole campaign with the IMP merc, but thats largely because of enemy numbers.

Apart from that, there shouldn't be many problems as all the guns are hyper-accurate and the AIM/MERC stats are straight from lala-land. As long as you can put in place some standard tactics like a camouflaged spotter, there isn't even a need for the oldschool JA tactics with retreating along staggered positions to fish for interrupts and stuff.

The first few sectors are a bit harder as you don't have a lot of long range equipment yet, but it levels out very quickly. For daylight ops, try shooting out of range if you've never done it. The blinking cursor doesn't really matter as long as your troop morale (green bar) isn't too bad. More important to stay in cover and send out a bullet rain than to get a perfect bulls eye every shot.

And don't worry about injuries, the quickheal potions will take care of that. It's normal to have one or two mercs shot up in every battle. Myself, I played a only few sectors with UC and then immediately started modding to make it enjoyable again. It felt too much like 'mission accomplished' when the mercs were maxed out at the beginning and you could sniper invisible enemies without using extra aim.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97659] Sun, 16 January 2005 04:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Klaus Borek

 
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Registered:March 2004
Hayashi: In Headshots report from his ironman game he describes a lot of tactics how to handle UC w/o reload. Quite often it isonly the number of enemies able to get a shot at your soldiers.
With Dr. Quacks mod it becomes a bit harder to play ironman Wink .
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97660] Sun, 16 January 2005 04:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ramfall

 
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Registered:January 2001
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@Dr. Quack,
I'm sorry we couldn't please you. But something good came out of it in the end, since you modded it so that people that feel like you regarding this mod can enjoy it anyway.
:ramfall:
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97661] Mon, 17 January 2005 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dr.Quack

 
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Well ramfall, whatever, but sorry you are totally on the wrong path there. Thats not at all what I was getting at. No need to be sorry either since I did get my share of amusement out of it. But it seems that even explaining most basic strategy is too dangerous now on this forum, as it probably could lead to a better understanding of the game and ultimately undermine the rule of the mod communists.
I'm still trying hard, hopefully someday I'll understand why the mod communists are offended every time you don't offer absolutely unconditional praise of their unrivalled genius. And why they are so eager to line up behind a guy with racist death threats in his sig, hua that attack dog really scared me.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97662] Mon, 17 January 2005 23:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ramfall

 
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@Dr Quack,
I didn't have any hidden meaning behind my writing. I did mean exactly that, what I wrote. So, I'm a bit confused where the rest of your alligations came from! I think you are reading to much into it!

From what most recent modders have done in their version the way to go is to increase the damage stats, which means that you WHERE on the right path increasing them in UC. What the rest means, not being able to express your opinions, I guess is a different story. One that I'm not aware of. Maybe you can enlighten me.
:ramfall:
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97663] Tue, 18 January 2005 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rude Dog

 
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Registered:March 2001
Location: Chasing Pussy
I ask forgiveness from the MODs of this forum in advance.

Dr Quack,
Had you played the MOD for more than a couple of days you may have seen that there is a difficulty progression and this is not Wildfire with mostly just added enemies. Even the originals had their flaws and I'm sure you went to the Sirotek brothers and Strategy First's websites to tell them what their aim was in making the game.

I wonder if you finished UC or just decided that you could do things better and then went running off to go play with your own toys immediately after seeing that we didn't make the MOD with you in particular in mind.

Nobody is saying that you can't come out and say what you think about UC just the same as I can say that you should probably think about not wearing your sphincter for a necklace once in a while. What is being said is that unless you wish to recieve the reaction that you have gotten in the past, that you may rethink the way you present the information about your opinion and post it in a more nonoffensive way.

Be happy that you can only interact with me on the web.


Ramfall,
The problem Dr Quack has in interpretting the English language is that he writes without the intention of coming off as a smug douchecannon but then solidifies the thoughts that we percieve from his lack of eloquence as we are trying to censor him. I believe Elitist Spamwaffle here and I have had a previous run in when he shot off that epenis holster of his once before in a condescending manner.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97664] Tue, 18 January 2005 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aecho

 
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Registered:August 2003
Location: The Netherlands, Europe
@Rude Dog

I thought for a moment your reply was made out of common sense, just like Ramfall`s. A moment that i thought you could be the witty Rude Dog i like to read on the forum once in a while. But you had to spoil it with saying: " Be happy that you can only interact with me on the web" Lose the machismo dude, we`ve seen your picture and already know you are a man...
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97665] Tue, 25 January 2005 05:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rude Dog

 
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I'm just very short tempered when dealing with the same antagonist a couple of times over the same type of thing.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97666] Tue, 25 January 2005 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hayashi

 
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Registered:April 2003
Well, after 12 days of game time & completely securing the NE quadrant (including the SAM site), I've one JA2 tactic that still works - NIGHT OPS rulez! Yeah! Very Happy
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97667] Tue, 08 February 2005 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Snake Plissken

 
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Registered:December 2001
Well, first of all, I am a chronic reloader. I still let my mercs get shot to hell often, but also look for the coolest way through a situation. Here's what I've found about UC.

First and most importantly, people go down quicker. Be afraid of pistols, be afraid of rifles, be afraid of shotguns. The converse applies, in that all of the above are useful weapons. Some of the armor you can procure, however, makes mercs very difficult to kill without heavy weapons. They might still fall down out of breath, but that's what backup is for.

Cover is the most substantial difference my playstyle has adopted between standard JA2 and UC. An agile merc can peek over or around objects, fire, and duck back without being shot at, much less hit.

Also, as stated earlier, enemies will sometimes flank or otherwise appear in unexpected locations. Moving to get a good angle, having a rearguard, and the agility to manage interrupts will save you here.

Lastly, with a small squad I have found that certain fights cannot be won from certain locations. The subway is a perfect example of this, as you will find yourself ambushed with little opportunity to position beforehand. When in doubt, attack from a different direction.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97668] Thu, 17 February 2005 04:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rude Dog

 
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Registered:March 2001
Location: Chasing Pussy
I am finally fighting in Adrian. I have successfully taken sectors in the Capital City with three mercs to a squad and only needed a back up squad once when I was stubborn and didn't want to enter from a different direction. LAWS and explosives are your friend and don't worry about deploying some major firepower when the enemy starts to stack up on you.

No, I have never finished the game yet even though I've restarted about ten times including the BETA tests.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97669] Mon, 21 February 2005 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GreyViper

 
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Registered:July 2004
Location: Estonia
Few things that I would add, there is no need to carry around first aid you find it allmost in every sector. A a good lock picker merc is a must some maps have bad guys behind locked metal doors and if you forgott to bring TNT or shaped charges 2bad 4 you. Stealing became verry important, I never used it in JA2 or DL.
Another thing I found out is that soldiers and mercs who use Varjag have uncanny ability to shoot faar and hit their target where MP5 & other pistols-SMG's would fail allmost every time.
Re: Relearning Tactics?[message #97670] Wed, 23 February 2005 20:57 Go to previous message
AZAZEL

 
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Registered:February 2004
Quote:
Originally posted by GreyViper:
A a good lock picker merc is a must
Agreed,although the crowbar does the job well in the hands of Rosebud.That's why Maddog is always recruited on day one in my games,lately.So many doors in this game that he can reach the 100 in mech and dex just lockpicking,never repairing anything!

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