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Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128866] Thu, 08 February 2007 18:40 Go to next message
jefklak

 
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Hello!


I was just wondering... I started playing Jagged Alliance 2 a couple of months ago as a complete newbie to the game (and kinda to the genre). The game got me so hooked, I planned for almost a week after fooling around with it what team members I should take and which traits I should pick as my IMP guy/girl. Anyway, the game is so fantastic and I love every minute of it. There are some problems though, but those are mostly because of my ignorance. Omerta and Drassen are fine, and I have fun playing/cleaning the cities. The SAM site is a little tough, but after a while I discovered some effective tactics. (Note: I am playing with the 1.13 mod, with "drop all stuff" - I honestly think the steal-and-knockdown to get some weapons are too much for a beginner).

There is our first problem: the game is not liniair at all. Good! But where the heck should I go to first? I tried going to the weapons dealer Tony. Underway, there are some encounters (pretty tough ones!!). Biggest problem: Drassen is left undefended except Mira (can't remember her name, the woman from the rebellion group) training some militia. But it takes too long, and the militia get killed easily. I don't like splitting up my team AT ALL. Should I even do it? Second problem: as soon as I need something fixed (Nails or so), I have to leave the guy behind or wait a few days. I run into money trouble without the "drop all weapons" mod, every day counts.

Is there some kind of newbie guide to what to do in the "best" order, and how to effectively split up your team, and how to effectively defend captured areas? Do I need to leave behind some members to protect the SAM sites? Only Dimitri gets killed so fast after the queen tries to retake the site, and my main team (I only have one at that point of the game, it's only in the very beginning!) is with Tony, to the east of the map, takes them a week to get back to Drassen...


There are probably some threads around here somewhere which contain information, but I don't really know what keywords to search for precisely. So thanks a lot in advance for any help at all Smile
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128870] Thu, 08 February 2007 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dead__Man

 
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I usually get Skyrider, drop me as close to San Mona as possible, walk the distance to San Mona, do some trading and fighting, then take the Chitzena SAM site and lastly chitzena. By then, Biff and Flo will have been hired to train extra militia in the SAM site in Drassen.

Oh, and be quick. I do this all in under five days at maximum, so that I'll still have time to fend off counterattack.

And BTW, her name is Ira, not Mira, and she's annoying as hell, but at least she's free Very Happy
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128875] Thu, 08 February 2007 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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No disrespect to the 1.13 team but if it's your first go at JA2 you're better off with 1.07 or 1.12

You need to know the rules before you can break them imho.

Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128903] Thu, 08 February 2007 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jefklak

 
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Will: you're probably right, but I just wanted to play with it because of the bigger resolution plus "drop all" option. Do some of you think "drop all" shouldn't be used as a relatively 'new' player?
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128912] Thu, 08 February 2007 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sphinx

 
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Keep your team together, in the beginning at least. Let your mercs rest a lot (try to keep them at 100% fatigue). Save a lot. You could also try going to San Mona FIRST, instead of Drassen... I'll let you figure out the possibilites Smile.
You can also edit a lot of game options in the Ja2_Options.ini file in \Data-1.13 folder and XML files in \Data-1.13\TableData folder. XML and the INI file can be opened and edited with Notepad. Try changing the militia training group size to 30 or 45 Smile. You get more militia in one training session.

Man... I'd give away my arms and legs to be in your place. I mean I'd love nothing more than to just FORGET I ever played JA2 and then discover it all over again... this time with v1.13. I'd just love a strategy combat game with tons of weapons and open-endedness, bundled with wicked humor. The sad fact is... once you play JA2, you won't forget it... ever. Where's Alzheimer when you want one...?

Enjoy every precious moment.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128927] Thu, 08 February 2007 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DNA from the Lowlands

 
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There's an option in the ini 'enable veteran militia' (elites with bigguns) turning this on, increases your militias odds.

I think Tony isn't worth much, unless you've edited his inventory_xml.
Tony's inventory gets better as your game progress-status increases.
Would be 'best' if you could take all 3 sectors before visiting him, since then he'll have some .12gauges and SMGs.
On the down side you'll have to train 3 sectors worth of militia: would take a militia-wizard.

Willing to be nasty, you could:
-avoid battles many times by choosing to enter that sector when asked auto/enter/retreat.
(...avoid and enter don't mix)
Making sure you place the mercs on an exitable side of the field.
(When moving directly west out of Omerta this would be only south.)
Then in tactical, exit the sector.
When viewing the map, cancel the movement, re-enter the sector and repeat this at an added 90 degrees.

With this you could hire a merc for one day.
That merc travels to Tony while the others capture the airfield.
After capturing the airfield you can fire that merc and tell him/her to leave that equipment in Drassen.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #128999] Fri, 09 February 2007 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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Personally I like drop all and I really like it @ 800 x 600. Going back to the old resolution seems a bit clunky now but I'm kinda stuck with it for the work I'm doing. But back to your main question, take Drassen first then the rest is up to you. I like to take Alma second when possible to get some decent kit but with drop all on that isn't an issue.

Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #129078] Fri, 09 February 2007 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jack Funk

 
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Drop all will definately make it easier.

* Don't limit yourself to cities. Once you take Drassen, defend it. The mine is your income stream, the airport is your access to Bobby Rays.
* Fight in the country. It is a good way to beef up your mercs, get good equipment and protect your assets.
* My typical conquer order is Drassen, Drassen SAM, Cambria, Central Sam, Chitzena, Chitzena Sam, Alma, Tixa, Balime, Orta, Meduna. I wouldn't try Alma second until you get some more experience. There is no "right" way to do it.
* When you take a new asset, SAM or town, train militia, heal, repair, and wait for the counter attack. It will come. Don't just take it, leave a trainer, and move on.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #129083] Sat, 10 February 2007 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DudeWheresMyTank

 
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Taking alma 2nd has great benefits. in the original (1.12 and below) the warehouse district always has a guy with a SVD and UV goggles on the west roof. overpower him with numbers (smoke helps) and try to steal his gun. unlock the warehouse doors and finish the turkey shoot from the roof.

The warehouse boxes are all full of armors, leggings, and ceramic plates. I've always been able to find (or steal) at least 1 c-7 or steyr aug in alma.

you may want to take a detour to take the warehouse district just for these items even if you don't plan on conquering alma right away. you can always just take the equipment and go to cambria or chitzena for an easier time there

[Updated on: Sat, 10 February 2007 00:59] by Moderator

Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #129232] Sun, 11 February 2007 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Apollo

 
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As Jack Funk says, staying in a town after taking it is definately the way to do it. Fully train the militia, leaving them to fight the counter-attack if you want, fully repair, fully heal, then clear out the surrounding countryside, then move on. It takes time, but is worth it.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #131026] Tue, 27 February 2007 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grandesco
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Apollo
As Jack Funk says, staying in a town after taking it is definately the way to do it. Fully train the militia, leaving them to fight the counter-attack if you want, fully repair, fully heal, then clear out the surrounding countryside, then move on. It takes time, but is worth it.


To add to that, if you have done the healing and repairing I'd advise you to do some miniquest, get Dmitri, go to san mona and get some money from the kingpin/miniquests or get the kingpin to send his assassins after you, they have great items and arn't that hard to beat as they come at 1 at a time. The important part is to keep a hold of drassen, you have access to bobby ray's at the city, great income of the mine. I also suggest to train your Mercs.

-Grand
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #131095] Wed, 28 February 2007 02:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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All the 6 Kingpin's assassins carry AK-74 guns... So unless you're REALLY desperate for getting superior firepower is quite pointless to piss mr. Peter Klauss (a.k.a Kingpin)...
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #134683] Mon, 02 April 2007 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bene

 
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My typical "game order" is

Drassen -> SAM, Heli Pilot, then Dimitri
San Mona -> all the quest, robbing Kingpin and all
Chitzena -> SAM before the town
Grumm -> always before day 7, that's my personal goal. Grumm should be the richest mine, and on day 5-7, when I usually arrive there, it is not crowded with elites yet.

From there on, I usually have enopgh money to do as I please.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #134684] Mon, 02 April 2007 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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i always do chitz before the sam below it..doing the sam after the town ups the towns loyalty..thereby increasing mine income..doing it before..you lose that loyalty jump..if ya play the game in its original spirit..meaning...not giving yerself a million bucks starting cash etc...the extra income from the mine because of a loyalty jump is really handy


Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #134686] Mon, 02 April 2007 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bene

 
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Ah, very handsome, thank you.

Loyalty is really important. That's why I always onvince Doreen and then shoot her. Loyalty goes up to 70%. Very Happy
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #134691] Mon, 02 April 2007 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking

 
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Something to keep in mind is one of your mines (picked at random from those you control) eventually runs out. I was living on the income edge one game and my richest mine ran out. Before I could take another mine to replace it I had to fire several of my mercs which really slowed things down.

I forget when the mine closing kicks in but I always only take Chitzena and Drassen until it does. There is plenty on other stuff to do (like taking over towns but not taking to the miners) before then.


Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #134698] Mon, 02 April 2007 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DudeWheresMyTank

 
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Yeah, the mine running out really sucks... is there a way to externalise that so we can turn it off?

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Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #134700] Mon, 02 April 2007 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking

 
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I'm sure it's possible, but the reason behind it happening is good. It's quite possible early on to get complacent and just sit and collect money. The idea behind them ine running out is to get you off your butt and moving again. Of course that just means you can start sitting back later then.


Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #147126] Thu, 28 June 2007 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no_clip

 
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If someone could give me some advice, I'd appreciate it.

In my current game I just conquered Drassen. I then went after the mine, but then I was promptly curbstomped by Queen's counterattack. I don't have any money and party is fairly weak (2 I.M.P, Igor and Ira). Would there be an easier mine to conquer before I can handle Drassen? I'm thinking thats what I should do to solve my income problem for now. It's jsut I'm not which one I should go after at this point.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #147128] Thu, 28 June 2007 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no_clip

 
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edit; double post

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Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #147391] Fri, 29 June 2007 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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If someone could give me some advice, I'd appreciate it.

In my current game I just conquered Drassen. I then went after the mine, but then I was promptly curbstomped by Queen's counterattack. I don't have any money and party is fairly weak (2 I.M.P, Igor and Ira). Would there be an easier mine to conquer before I can handle Drassen? I'm thinking thats what I should do to solve my income problem for now. It's jsut I'm not which one I should go after at this point.


Well, for the first day it's a good idea to hire one or two expensive mercs for one day such as Lynx, Reaper or Len, use all their potential before their contract expires, then keep their weapon, armor and stuff and give them to the rest of your team, this way you'll have an extra edge in the start.

The enemy militia slightly North of Drassen that guard the roads and territories between towns have longer range weapons. This makes them tougher to defeat, but a few good battles might score you a couple of decent range weapons.

And last but not least, it sounds to me that you didn't trained militia... Without militia to defend the liberated towns there's no way to keep fending off Deidranna's counterattacks...

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Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #147414] Sat, 30 June 2007 02:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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Extra info from Patusco's JA2 Guide:

At the beginning of the game, create your custom merc and hire one additional GOOD Merc. The two of you will go kick butt in the first city. Remember, two Mercs travel more quietly than six. Easier to control. Make your custom Merc do most of the work so he/she will advance faster. After taking over a city, hire two cheap mercs to come in and give support fire, medical assistance, transporting items and train militia (or Ira, from the rebel group as she has skill in teaching which is a bonus to training Militia not to mention she is free). Take over a couple of Mines (about three cities) and then sit back on your laurels for a few days (2-3). Start training Militia in the city's mine sector. You can have other mercs taining on other sectors of the city. This will increase militia faster. Train them all the way to aqua before going to take over a new sector.

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Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #150738] Thu, 26 July 2007 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dropshadow
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Is there a set time limit on whether you win or lose the game?

For example,

can I conquer half the map in lets say 1 or 1/2 weeks (gametime) and sit back and fight off counterattacks for as long as I want? does the queen's soldiers replenish (this is an .ini option I can change right?).

Just curiuos on the matter really, taking over an island in 1 or 2 weeks doesn't seem very satisfying if I can crush the enemy for a month or two before finally ending the conflict.

please advise,

thanks,

Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #150744] Thu, 26 July 2007 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking

 
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If you can conquer half the map in 1 or 2 weeks you are either a JA2 god or cheating.

But, no, there is no time limit.


Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #150748] Thu, 26 July 2007 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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There's no time limit, but in the game one or two mine(s) will run out of gold/silver, and there's nothing you can do about that...

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Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #150759] Thu, 26 July 2007 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dropshadow
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ahh, i remember reading about the mines being depleted over time. so just 1 or 2 (randomly generated) mines become depleted though, correct? I think I could still finance a few high level mercs despite being short 2 mines. has anyone else done this or am i the only person who grows attached to a squad and wants to keep playing the same game? I remember never wanting to finish JA 1 because it took a long time to get to the end and I had a lot of bada$$es with me (Mike, Scully, Magic, etc...).
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #150786] Thu, 26 July 2007 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking

 
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1 mine, not 2. A second mine will shut down if the Crepitus infest it but it will start back up if you take care of them.


Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166778] Thu, 06 December 2007 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JA fan

 
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After playing for some time I think I got the "mine running out" mechanism: it always occurred with my my 2nd taken city.Maybe that's why the city to take after Drassen is indeed Chitzena,that has the lowest income of Arulco(at least at vanilla game).

Ah, the 3rd city was always the bug infested too,so......I think it's not THAT random.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166781] Thu, 06 December 2007 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
foij

 
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Nope, I've had the Grumm mine run out on several occasions. Once, I had taken most of Meduna before I hit Grumm, and the Grumm mine still ran out.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166805] Thu, 06 December 2007 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JA fan

 
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hmm......I thought I had played with different city orders but not so much...... Uh Oh

I have to test more......Does it depend on what? Anybody knows? :headscratch:

Well,at least I know something by experience.......if you always follow a taking order,the mines will run out always on that order.It means if you have a good order,keep it to don't have surprises... Smile


But it's a strange playing style assaulting Meduna before Grumm,isn't it?
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166809] Fri, 07 December 2007 00:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
foij

 
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It was strange to change the order there, but in my last few games, I have changed up the order of taking cities. Sometimes I take Alma before Chitzena or Cambria, sometimes I'll take Balime before Grumm. However, if you don't take Meduna last, you can be certain that the Queen will never attack your remaining towns!

I don't know what the mines running out depends on. For me, the most rare mine running out is Alma.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166811] Fri, 07 December 2007 00:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JA fan

 
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Well,I said that above because I have followed a city taking order more than twice and it always worked as I planned.The 2nd city taken runs out of ore and the 3rd becomes infested with crepitus.

Don't know why,but it always works... Smile :whoknows:
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166839] Fri, 07 December 2007 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kindred

 
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I just turn the bugs off, since I hate that whole quest. I can deal with finding "sci-fi" prototype weapons, but mutant bugs? No thanks.
Re: Best order to go to places after Drassen?[message #166889] Fri, 07 December 2007 18:29 Go to previous message
JA fan

 
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The bug quest is fun,it even has a special sci-fi music inside the caves....... :yikes: :ewok:

What I don't like much is the mine running out of ore (without the aliens)......

The bug infestation effect is temporary....the former, NO.
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