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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #187836]

Sat, 07 June 2008 21:23

theSim is currently offline

Messages:6
Registered:May 2008
Location: Oldenburg, Germany

Hi,

I don't know if this is the right topic to post but I have used the search function which didn't come up with anything useful (at least not that I saw it).

I'm currently messing around with a couple of tools for JA2 1.13 and currently I'm stuck with the map editor. It loads up fine (I use SVN to keep updated) but as soon as I try to select any tileset to work with it shows this error message:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/580/probler8.jpg

What might be causing this?

I might add that I followed instructions of "JA 113 Editor.doc" to set up the editor and I created all the necessary shortcuts and folders (I think xD).

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #187838]

Sat, 07 June 2008 21:32

Kaiden is currently offline

Messages:504
Registered:September 2003

You don't have to use the shortcut anymore, you should have a Map Editor.exe that you can just double-click on. I'm not sure if it would cause this problem though. Try it and let me know.

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First Sergeant

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #187840]

Sat, 07 June 2008 21:43

theSim is currently offline

Messages:6
Registered:May 2008
Location: Oldenburg, Germany

Kaiden

You don't have to use the shortcut anymore, you should have a Map Editor.exe that you can just double-click on. I'm not sure if it would cause this problem though. Try it and let me know.

Thx for the quick reply. (: Loading tilesets now works. Now I'm facing a different problem though... the editor auto-loads sector a9 and I can't seem to exit it (while when I opened it with the shortcut I was able to select which sector to edit.)

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #187841]

Sat, 07 June 2008 21:48

Kaiden is currently offline

Messages:504
Registered:September 2003

The Load button isn't working?

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #187843]

Sat, 07 June 2008 21:57

theSim is currently offline

Messages:6
Registered:May 2008
Location: Oldenburg, Germany

lol... ok, got it. Very Happy

Very Happy

Thx a lot.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188326]

Wed, 11 June 2008 21:41

mailor is currently offline

Messages:7
Registered:June 2006
Location: Austria

Help.

I remember, that John Wright had a homepage for dowloading some of his custom maps. I addition, there was a new (better) b_map.pcx on his page. I desperately need this b_map.pcx (and I'd like to have access to those maps as well). Since he doesn't reply to my PM, I hope someone else here can help me.

cheers, mailor

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188395]

Thu, 12 June 2008 02:52

Kaiden is currently offline

Messages:504
Registered:September 2003

You're welcome Sim...

@mailor, I looked, I don't have it. John may show up again eventually though.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188770]

Sun, 15 June 2008 08:28

SharkD is currently offline

Messages:352
Registered:July 2003

How has development of 1.13 progressed in terms of permitting som randomization of sectors when starting a new game? It would be nice if one could play the game sort of like a roguelike.

Procedurally generating each sector (not necessarily while actually running the game) is quite a bit less realistic, I would guess.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188902]

Tue, 17 June 2008 04:51

SharkD is currently offline

Messages:352
Registered:July 2003

One other questio I have is, are sector data available in text format? I would like to experiment with procedural generation (I've done a bit of this for other games), but do not have the ability to work with binary files.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188950]

Tue, 17 June 2008 19:24

Thor is currently offline

Messages:423
Registered:February 2007
Location: Belgium

Randomization can be done by alternative maps.

I was just thinking... Instead of making brand new maps, why not exploit the alternative map option?

Make slightly different maps (especially city maps) with just small covered changes like different placement of enemies, of mines, equipment etc... So you don't know anything in advance.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188981]

Wed, 18 June 2008 01:31

Messages:244
Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Thor

I posed this question last week and got nowhere. I tried asking several ways even and no one offered anything positive. As far as I got was to put a (example, A9_A) map into the map folder as an alternate map but that does'nt really work for me. the thread was immediatly and thouroughly derailed. For me, random maps would be wonderful.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=37&Number=186136&Searchpage=1&Main=13177&Words=&topic=0&Search=true#Post186136

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #188998]

Wed, 18 June 2008 04:36

AZAZEL is currently offline

Messages:750
Registered:February 2004

So, where do you want to make them random? Everywhere?
Or you just want the posibility to make them random anywhere,
and to actually make them random for some 10 maps or somesuch?

The answer is in the topic called "1.13, request for..."
And the answer seems always random, in the sense that when you get it you don't need it anymore. Smile

Smile

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189000]

Wed, 18 June 2008 05:51

Messages:244
Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Azazel

I have five installs on my desktop right now and three of them include your fine maps. Got any more?

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189012]

Wed, 18 June 2008 10:03

AZAZEL is currently offline

Messages:750
Registered:February 2004

Ja man!
I've got many more.
They just aren't finished yet, err...in the sense that I haven't even started making them. Smile

Smile

In the sense that what you call fine is still unfinished too.
And also got some, in the sense that they're not for 1.13, not yet anyway.

So I'm only making some trouble here in the forums lately.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189018]

Wed, 18 June 2008 12:58

Messages:1834
Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

OLDNOOOB

Thor

I posed this question last week and got nowhere. I tried asking several ways even and no one offered anything positive. As far as I got was to put a (example, A9_A) map into the map folder as an alternate map but that does'nt really work for me. the thread was immediatly and thouroughly derailed. For me, random maps would be wonderful.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=37&Number=186136&Searchpage=1&Main=13177&Words=&topic=0&Search=true#Post186136

the thread you refer to was only derailed after the correct answer to your question had been given by rowa21

altsectors.xml is the file to change in addition to putting new maps to the map folder.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189037]

Wed, 18 June 2008 17:03

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Scorpion

thank you. I had not made any sense of rowa21's response. Now I will be able to experiment with map randomizing.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189052]

Wed, 18 June 2008 18:53

Nighthawk is currently offline

Messages:46
Registered:February 2002
Location: Springfield, MO

Hi everyone,

I have just installed the latest release version and the 2112 exe after some time away. Anyone interested in my b_map.pcx or a few maps of mine just let me know your email address. I would like to make some more maps and tilesets before putting up the website link again.

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Corporal

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189105]

Thu, 19 June 2008 09:37

SharkD is currently offline

Messages:352
Registered:July 2003

AZAZEL

So, where do you want to make them random? Everywhere?
Or you just want the posibility to make them random anywhere,
and to actually make them random for some 10 maps or somesuch?

The answer is in the topic called "1.13, request for..."
And the answer seems always random, in the sense that when you get it you don't need it anymore.

Well, the options as I see it are:

1) sector randomization - each sector is chosen randomly from a list of sector maps
2) random everything - every single detail is randomized!

Option #1 would need to work properly with scripts/quests/etc., so it might be beneficial to split quest/NPC information into a separate layer. Scripts would be attached to the correct map coordinate regardless of which physical map gets chosen. NPCs would be inserted into the correct sector.

It would be fine, IMO, if either option could be done outside of the game in an editor of some type. If the physical map structure (i.e. tiles, roofs, etc.) is contained in a text file, I would experiment with writing a random generator.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189856]

Mon, 30 June 2008 10:54

mailor is currently offline

Messages:7
Registered:June 2006
Location: Austria

Hi!

Anyone got the maps from John Wright yet? I pm'd him my email address, but didn't get a reply yet. So if anyone has the maps (especially his b_map.pcx) I'd really appreciate if someone could send it to me.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #189885]

Mon, 30 June 2008 17:24

Messages:244
Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

@mailor
no response yet for me either.

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Sergeant 1st Class

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #197189]

Wed, 24 September 2008 18:55

Matryoshka is currently offline

Messages:90
Registered:September 2004
Location: New Zealand

Given how involved you are with all the mod projects, Starwalker, I don't know how full your PM box is, so I'll put this up here instead. :crazy:

I've bashed together a new D2 SAM site using the "Queen's SAM" tileset - it's not the frakkin' nightmare that was the Wildfire 'bridge-and-island', but I'd like to think it's a little more challenging (and realistic) than the original, even if my (super-well-equipped) mercs blow through the defenders like they're not there. :bluegrin: If you've got the time & interest, shoot me a PM and let me know where I should e-mail the .dat file. :cheers:

(Sadly, it won't come with a radarmap .sti, since I don't have the foggiest clue how to create one. Unless there's a ~~mug~~ volunteer out there who has the skills and inclination to correct that? :crazy:)

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #197205]

Wed, 24 September 2008 23:37

Starwalker is currently offline

Messages:759
Registered:October 2005
Location: Hannover, Germany

You should send me a PM. For some yet unknown reason I seem unable to start a PM myself...

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #197464]

Sat, 27 September 2008 04:24

Matryoshka is currently offline

Messages:90
Registered:September 2004
Location: New Zealand

Starwalker

You should send me a PM. For some yet unknown reason I seem unable to start a PM myself...

PM sent.

Wink

While I'm here, though: has anyone ever had occasion to extract the map from the JA2 demo and update it into a playable sector for 1.13 - perhaps as a substitute Estoni? Even with Gabby and Dynamo constrained to 'other duties' by the current state of the quest system, it'd be a *blast* to retake that factory again - especially with the current state of gear and game-mechanics. All we'd need is the map and a little tweak to Garrisons.xml.... :devilaugh:

(Yes, I'm feeling a little nostalgic at the moment... but c'mon, folks: I'll lay good money that I am NOT the only denizen of the Bear's Pit who played that demo so many times he could clock it in his sleep - without taking so much as a scratch. :luckystrike:)

For that matter, has anyone ever considered completely overhauling the entire demo to 1.13 standards? Would our understanding with TalonSoft/SirTech etc. even permit that? Or would it be too much trouble for too little return? :compsmash:

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Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #197660]

Mon, 29 September 2008 11:50

Matryoshka is currently offline

Messages:90
Registered:September 2004
Location: New Zealand

Another query relevant to this thread: is AZAZEL still about? I've been tweaking with the .xmls to fit with his "1.13add_maps.zip", which I've recently (re-)discovered on my HDD... and for some distressing reason, the interesting-looking radarmap he created for sector A1 doesn't seem to have a corresponding .dat file. At least, not in *my* copy of the .zip file. :bawling:

Does anyone else have a copy of his A1.dat map?

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Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #204798]

Wed, 24 December 2008 10:46

tbird94lx is currently offline

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

i'll give my right arm for a new set of azaezel maps Sad

Sad

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Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #204882]

Thu, 25 December 2008 13:38

Messages:656
Registered:February 2008
Location: NL

i can still remember trying to take the upper part with all my guns on full auto, never made it to be honest...
single shot went a lot better....

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Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #204901]

Thu, 25 December 2008 18:29

JaM1977 is currently offline

Messages:35
Registered:May 2007

btw, is there any chance to DL those maps linked in this thread somewhere else? they are already deleted in badongo...

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Private 1st Class

Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #204979]

Sat, 27 December 2008 11:59

Starwalker is currently offline

Messages:759
Registered:October 2005
Location: Hannover, Germany

People would not need third party sites to share their maps if they used what I told about above...

They just need to send me their mappacks, and I can upload them to that site.

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First Sergeant

Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #205070]

Sun, 28 December 2008 12:29

Kaerar is currently offline

Messages:2022
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

I may have them somewhere on one of my HD's will have a looky Smile

Smile

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Re: 1.13 Map Database Project[message #205090]

Sun, 28 December 2008 18:23

JaM1977 is currently offline

Messages:35
Registered:May 2007

That would be great, i'm bored to death from vanila maps...

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #208766]

Fri, 13 February 2009 18:11

Scheinworld is currently offline

Messages:961
Registered:December 2007
Location: Baltic Sea, Germany

Hello JA2-community,

Matryoshka

While I'm here, though: has anyone ever had occasion to extract the map from the JA2 demo and update it into a playable sector for 1.13...?

@ Starwalker: Just yet I

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #209485]

Sat, 28 February 2009 00:13

Nighthawk is currently offline

Messages:46
Registered:February 2002
Location: Springfield, MO

Thanks for the recent interest. I've been working off and on with some wilderness sectors and thinking up of more tilesets I can make by combining the available pics and picking the ones needed for the template theme.

First post is edited. Please make any requests or suggestions!

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Corporal

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #212144]

Sat, 04 April 2009 20:10

SharkD is currently offline

Messages:352
Registered:July 2003

Demoville should definitely be added to 1.13. The game is in need of a staging area to prepare/level up before the Drassen counter-attack which is *way* too brutal for being so early in the game. Plus, it's an "official" map, so it's OK. Cool

Cool

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #212166]

Sat, 04 April 2009 23:28

tbird94lx is currently offline

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

i added demoville to my game..is a nice lil hotspot..can also train some militia to blockade the enemy's route to ya when ya take drassen..helps a bit:P

one thing though..the supplies and weapons ya get in demoville are really uber that early if yer trying to play yer game old style

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First Sergeant

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #212168]

Sun, 05 April 2009 01:29

Messages:3199
Registered:December 2008
Location: B

questions about d-ville

1. how do you train militia there?
2. is it counted as a city? when taking cambria d talked about 2nd city.
3. is the chitzena-mine gone by d-ville's basement?

thx

logisteric

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #212170]

Sun, 05 April 2009 04:59

tbird94lx is currently offline

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

as added without tinkering..it appears as a city that you can train in..as for a route to chitz mine..donno bout that

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #212183]

Sun, 05 April 2009 11:03

SanderBalski is currently offline

Messages:8
Registered:April 2009

Hey you guys im a lvl designer myself and i have made loads of JA2 lvl's in the past.

I just got Ja2 Again and i started using the map maker tool Map Editor_2112 and Map Editor, Wich i got trough SVU. Trying to make a Fair, Fun and Balanced map for multiplayer.

1 BIIIIGgGG problem: i can make lvl's all i want but i get a runtime error when i save them. This shanks my ball's and i hope someone here can help me plz Smile

Smile

...

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #212318]

Tue, 07 April 2009 11:14

lalienxx is currently offline

Messages:86
Registered:February 2006

SanderBalski

Hey you guys im a lvl designer myself and i have made loads of JA2 lvl's in the past.

Can you try to make some maps with a bigger size than normal using the big map editor? We need some big maps for testing.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #213049]

Mon, 13 April 2009 12:42

SanderBalski is currently offline

Messages:8
Registered:April 2009

lalienxx

SanderBalski
Hey you guys im a lvl designer myself and i have made loads of JA2 lvl's in the past.

Can you try to make some maps with a bigger size than normal using the big map editor? We need some big maps for testing.

Dude i just told you my map maker is broke and i dont know how to fix it........

sure ill make perfect massive maps, no worries...........

:maskedsniper: .......treee..............house..........water........ :rifle:

anyway when that map is done and i try to save it i geet a runtime error..

Im starting to think i dont have all the files right. and im hoping to find out wich of you guys knows a little something usefull about that and is willing to tell me :type:

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #216850]

Fri, 15 May 2009 15:10

AZAZEL is currently offline

Messages:750
Registered:February 2004

lalienxx

We need some big maps for testing.

Send working stuff or link. I'm in the mood for some mapmaking.

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