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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146418] Sun, 24 June 2007 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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you can have your maps in either the data folder or the custom data folder (assuming your ja2.ini points to your custom data folder)

you also don't need all maps to be extracted, you only need one map file in the maps folder, any others will be loaded/ extracted from the slf when you load/ save them the first time

MM is right though that the maps you can chose from when picking "load new map" are only the ones from the custom data folder. if a map only exists in data and not in the custom data folder, the editor will load it regardless, but you have to type the name in (which shouldn't be that much of a challenge, as the map file names ar usually one character, one number and then .dat)

is considerably faster than the awkward drop-down scroll menu too Wink
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146425] Sun, 24 June 2007 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majek

 
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this is all strange.

so to edit mpas in custom folder i have to leave one map in DATA so that the editor detects it and loads it. Then i can load maps in custom data by typing their names, when i want to save them i have to use the overwrite function, because otherwise the map gets saved in DATA?

and i still don't understand how at MM the editor found all the maps in custom data and not in regular Data :/ or does he mean by "detect" that he could load them by typing their names and not have them listed ?

what about radarmaps? do i have to copy my custom maps to DATA and the run the "makemaps" command ?

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146426] Sun, 24 June 2007 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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i guess "detect" indicates they were listed in the drop-down menu.
he might have copied them to both folders maybe?

yes, it's quite weird. if you save a map called a9firsttry.dat, it will save it to "data", if you save it as a9 (and a9 exists in custom data folder) it will be saved there.

i've managed to mess up and delete quite a bunch of maps while i tried to harmonise it by placing the latest maps in either folder.

if you have maps using the same name in either folder, it will load the custom data folder map.

it takes some getting used to. i usually save new maps in development with a new file name (to data folder) and once they're final, i save them under the correct file name to my custom data folder, overwriting an existing file.

this only matters if you plan to release your maps. The game will also load custom map files in the "data" folder so for your private use, you don't have to care much to where this gets saved in the end (of course thisis only true for "finalised" maps. in the processe of mapping itself it does obviously matter to find the file you want to modify Wink

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146429] Sun, 24 June 2007 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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he might have copied them to both folders maybe?


That's exactly what I did. Smile You will have take my questions with a grain of salt here, because even after all this time, this is the 1st time I have even attempted to run the map editor. I used to play around with the UB one, but that was many moons ago. So this is all new to me. My testing yesterday was also over a heavily modified version of 1.13. Today I installed a nice clean unmodded version of JA2 Gold and then laid 1.13 on top of that. Now I will start playing with the map editor. Smile


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146441] Sun, 24 June 2007 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shed23

 
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For what it is worth, this is how I 'get around' the problems listed in previous posts.
Assuming a clean install + 113.

1) Create folder 'Maps' in Data folder.
2) Create folder 'Radarmaps' in Data folder.
3) Unpack Maps into Data/Maps.
4) Create Radarmaps, or later, your choice.
5) Create folder on Desktop and ALWAYS copy/paste all your maps and modded maps into this.
6) Ensure that Data 113 DOES NOT have Maps/Radarmaps folders. I find it far easier to deal with one
folder for all maps/radarmaps.
7) All other 'modded' files (ProfDat, xml etc...) copy/paste to your desktop folder.

Regarding step 5.
Everything for a mod of mine gets stored in the desktop folder - copy/paste that is, very regularly.
That way, should a screw-up occur, you have all your stuff safe.
You can also easily access your maps for posting.
There is little or no 'conflicts' with Data and Data 113, for me anyway.

Also, beware of multiple installs. There are some processes that can be compromised by other installs. For the life of me, I cannot remember what it was, but I was modding something quite a while ago and getting nowhere fast. It transpired that data can be leeched (read), from other sources of the same kind and the game 'can' get confused by this. Hope that came across ok. This is a difficult one to describe.

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146448] Sun, 24 June 2007 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majek

 
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I've only got a custom Data (1.13) for the editor not another install. My original Data-1.13 has some problems with the editor, i must've modified some itesm too much since they always crash it if i attemp to run it. And now that i know that i can use overwrite for saving maps in the custom folder i don't think i'll ahve any problems. (onlyif i forget to modify the .ini before i play the game XD )
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146453] Sun, 24 June 2007 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Well. My mistake before was, I had forgot to change the (ini) to point to data. It was still set at default 1.13 data. This time around I changed it to data and the maps loaded just fine into the editor. It's little things like that, that will drive you nuts sometimes. Smile


Edit: The Sucker sure likes to CTD alot dosen't it. But overall it seems to work pretty good. And as Shed says...save...save...save... Smile

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146505] Mon, 25 June 2007 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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I seem to be having a CTD problem with the ITEMS tab. Either it CTD's when I click on it or not long afterwards when I am in it. Anyone else having this problem? Or is it the luck of the draw.


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146533] Mon, 25 June 2007 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shed23

 
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I am not sure on this, and could be well off base here, but I think that some of the latest builds are to blame. If I am wrong here, sincere apologies.

I am still working on an older build - 742 - and have no problems at all. I tend to wait for good stability before up-grades. Can get frustrating modding otherwise.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146548] Mon, 25 June 2007 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majek

 
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I've only had CTDs related with Items with my modified Data-1.13, on the fresh SVN copy of the folder i have no problems at all.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146551] Mon, 25 June 2007 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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i have frequent freezes/crashes when the editor tries to load map files

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146577] Mon, 25 June 2007 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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speaking of map editor crashes...i had decided to give map making a whirl the other day..was making a small weapons stash but large garrison with mess hall(attempt) barracks and store room with the stash..the perimeter of the map has 3 small entrances east west and south as it was tween omerta and drassen along the top..and the team could only enter through those small entrances a dirt road wide as the rest is blocked off by trees..the road leads to a center fortified circle made up of sandbag formations and a full squad of elites awaits hidden behinf those bags and apon the roof's of the 3 buildings..ok..enough description..you get the idea..well..after each building construction i'd save..and after the 3rd building the map editor always crashed..so i tried without the 3rd building and went onto the sandbags and it would crash..i eventually gave up cause it would always crash..i'm not introducing any new graphics or stuff..using only what the map editor provides..BAH..it frustrated me so i gave up and went back to guns Very Happy


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146693] Tue, 26 June 2007 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Sometimes it will refuse to save a map or crash if you place too many items (or some conflicting tiles) too close to each other.


Try spacing out your cashes and see what happens.

You should also make sure the ground is completely clear especially or debris before trying to place a building on top. You can usually add anything yo like once you place the building but be careful to have a clean ground to place your building on.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146695] Tue, 26 June 2007 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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yup..the buildings were first thing placed..details added later


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146878] Tue, 26 June 2007 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majek

 
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hey tbird have you tried the editor with DBB items?
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146881] Tue, 26 June 2007 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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a bit..works fine if you tinker and alter..but still have alot of crashing when creating from scratch


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #146931] Wed, 27 June 2007 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Hmmmmm. Items tab is still not working for me. Everything else though seems pretty stable. Gettin the hang of it some now.


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #147229] Thu, 28 June 2007 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nighthawk

 
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Marlboro Man: My map editor used to crash when clicking the items tab so here's what I did:

I set the map editor to point to the Data-1.13 folder because that's where all the new image pic .sti's are ( all weapons and gear added). I still create a maps folder for both Data and Data-1.13 and put all extracted original maps into Data. The editor I believe loads from Data if no map is in Data-1.13. My new/altered ones end up in Data-1.13/Maps.

Good idea from Shed for everyone: Copy/paste anything recently worked on in editor to seperate folder on desktop just in case!!!

I've been away for awhile but my job situation is stable again. Is there a new map editor or game release lately? I'll check it out.

I meant from the official release page. It's still got version 687 on it.

I've been reading the release notes and all the new stuff put in is great. The version # is in the 900's now. Hopefully a new release for us non-svn users will be out soon.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #147236] Thu, 28 June 2007 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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I'll try that John. Smile

If you want to update your game, I have been posting 1.13 here.
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/135069/page/1#Post135069

It has been a few a days since I updated it. But it will get you close to the latest SVN. I have been doing that for a few of the guys who don't have SVN access. Smile There is 3 files and the 2 data files are still fairly large, but reasonable.


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #150022] Fri, 20 July 2007 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Panpiper

 
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Ah shed23,

There I was, gushing with thanks to you for a whole new world to explore, flushed with anticipation. And then on the very first map I find a stash containing all the best equipment in the game, enough to outfit seven mercs. #$%@!!!

Half of the enjoyment of JA2, at least for me, is slowly managing to equip your mercs with that 'best equipment' over the course of the game. When it is all handed to us at the start, it is NOT a good thing. We don't go "Whoopie!", we go "#$%@!!!"

Sure I could mod the map or just 'somehow' avoid the temptation to use everything given, but then if I find this on map #1, I fully expect myself to be none the less insanely equipped by map #4 none the less. All that work on your part, all that excitement on mine, and I shall delete the whole thing.

Edit: I loaded it up again so as to check the next map and sure enough, there's a trove right at the entry point with enough goodies to completely max out 11 more mercs, right to multishot grenade launchers with plenty of thermobaric ammo!

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #150026] Fri, 20 July 2007 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Don't do that. I'm sure someone has a fixed set. I'll bet Shed himself would provide such a map set.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #150367] Mon, 23 July 2007 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shed23

 
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That map set, as described in the notes/posting somewhere, was made for my son, at his request. He wanted the best gear for Insane mode play, with little or no need for mine income etc....

Essentially, this was released for the maps alone.
In all honesty, I forgot about the weapons etc....
This is what happens, for me, when you cannot fully realize your ideas and start something new.
If I remember right, I did say 'released as-is' or something!!

Sorry for any misconceptions here.

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #150581] Tue, 24 July 2007 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nighthawk

 
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On Insane mode you have to have the best equipment either put on the maps or available at a stocked Bobby Ray's with lots of Ctrl+Gabbi money added. On Experienced mode I set BR to normal and only put in starting weapons and assorted items (tool kit, medical/firstaid/boost items, right ammo, NVG1.)

I just got the 1080 download and the new map editor. Time to create more maps and make them available.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #150607] Wed, 25 July 2007 03:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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That's good news John. Smile I have been so tied up with real life crap lately, I can't even find the time to fire the game up. Let alone mess with the map editor. But hopefully I will be able too soon. Smile


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151105] Sun, 29 July 2007 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mailor

 
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John Wright: Are you working on your own maps? Or are you modifying existing ones? I ask, because I like the maps of Azazel and shed23, but since azazel changed only a few sectors, and shed23 did include too much items in all of his maps, I don't like to use them. I use azazels maps right now, but I wish, more sectors would have been changed. Shed23's maps would be perfect, if it wasn't for all those items you find.

So what are you up to exactly John Wright?

EDIT: I'd change shed23's maps myself (remove items), but since whenever I try to start the map editor, the game starts (not an editor) I can't do it...

BTW Azazel, and shed: very good work! congrats on your fantastic maps!

Sidenote to shed: I could kick you in the nuts for "ruining" your maps with your item placement (just kidding Smile )

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151186] Mon, 30 July 2007 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majek

 
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http://www.badongo.com/file/2783637
read this and you'll learn everything you need to learn. includiing how to run the editor.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151202] Mon, 30 July 2007 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shed23

 
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Mailor.

I can understand the wish to do violence - I would in this position.
However, initially, these maps did not contain such item placement, the mines did not exist, Skyrider did not exist. There were three additional quests, over and above the 'escort and chalice' which were kept in. The three additional quests were tied into certain areas that were mines. No allowance was made for Sci-Fi though.

Although my fault for not checking, imagine how I felt when I realized that areas of the strategic map were not available. Importantly, the bottom right hand side was crucial to a major quest - the very area unavailable. It appears, that this will not be addressed any time soon.
Now, bear in mind that this mod of mine has been going since the use of the UB Editor, converted, adjusted, altered, tweaked, all in-line with the development of 113. It has been a labour of love over more years than I care to remember.
When it became obvious that my ideas were not to be realized, I wanted to kick somebodies nuts, anybodies nuts, so hard, that they would become earrings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally lost interest in the mod. Until my son asked me for an 'Insane Mod'. So, I chopped and screwed my mod up to meet what he wanted. Then dumped it here for people to take the maps. I was annoyed and did not care. In retrospect, very silly.

But, in removing the quests and certain maps, new ideas began to form, and I am now working on something that should be even better. Don't hold you breath though, I will probably be bleedin' dead before it gets done!!!!!

Good luck with your efforts though.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151870] Sun, 05 August 2007 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donnydonny

 
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AZAZEL
http://www.badongo.com/file/3203351
Smile


Thanks for the maps

Is there any chance you could give me a quick rundown of how to use/load them in game? And also would you be able to list the sectors the new maps are for?

thanks
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151872] Sun, 05 August 2007 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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copy the maps and radarmaps folders into your data folder and start a new game and voila..they'll be there..if you choose shed23's maps..in the first couple sectors is an extreme abundance of great equipment as he designed them for his son i believe he said

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151873] Sun, 05 August 2007 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Those would be Shed's maps not John's.


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151875] Sun, 05 August 2007 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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corrected before ya posted Razz


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151876] Sun, 05 August 2007 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Then how did I know you said Johns maps? Wink


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151878] Sun, 05 August 2007 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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i caught my own mistake before you posted..look at yer posting time and my edit time..i win..WOOT..wheres my prize? Very Happy

maybe yer sighkick..duh-huh Very Happy

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151889] Sun, 05 August 2007 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mailor

 
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Shed23:

I totally appreciate your work, and I am sad to hear, that your initial project was impossible to finish. But making the maps available was definitely not a silly thing to do. I for instance am very thankful for your really awesome work (I hope I didn't sound too rude with my rather silly comment... But first I thought it was a shame, that many maps are unusable in a normal campaign. I was just too stupid to make the map editor run (a problem I solved in the meantime)).

Now I managed to implement 11 of your maps in my normal campaign (just by removing most of the items), and I am very happy I was able to do so. Playing the campaign with your additional maps (and with a few others of Azazel) makes the game much more interesting.

Therefore, I want to say thanks to all of you who contribute these fantastic maps. Keep up the good work!

Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #151906] Mon, 06 August 2007 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shed23

 
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Mailor.

I have taken no offense, and understand why you think you may have been rude. Not the case at all. Stop your concerns over this.
Every one of my maps should be available for use in any way you want.
Although the editor can be a pain at times, never give up. The results are worth it.
Good luck with all your efforts.
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #152118] Tue, 07 August 2007 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donnydonny

 
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Is there any where else that has some more maps I can download?
Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #152293] Wed, 08 August 2007 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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donnydonny
Is there any where else that has some more maps I can download?


There isn't a whole lot else I am sorry to say. That's why John and Shed have been trying to get other people interested in doing more maps.

The only other thing I can think of is to give Will Gates nice mod a spin. Militia Factions Mod.

Found here.
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/40/page/1


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #152320] Wed, 08 August 2007 23:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
donnydonny

 
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Cheers Id like to make my own maps but Im having trouble. Everytime I download 1.13 inculding the editor, 1.13Mod extracts fine but 1.13add_maps wont extract because it is 'incomplete'. Is there anywhere other than the main 1.13 webpage where I can download 1.13 from?

Also Ive heard the editor is tempramental, is it worth the effort?

thanks

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Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #152326] Wed, 08 August 2007 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaiden

 
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Some bugs were recently fixed, but I imagine that it is still a little bit tempramental. And whether or not it's worth it, will depend on how bad you want to create maps. Most of the bugs will be worked out eventually though. The people that do use it, use it because it's the only editor that works correctly with 1.13.

Although... I have heard that the UB/Beta editors can be used to create the maps, (without access to more than 50 tilesets IIRC), and then the 1.13 editor can be used to add/fix items in those maps.


Re: 1.13 April 2007 map contest[message #152330] Thu, 09 August 2007 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
tbird94lx

 
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i've posed the question at dbb-central asking if any of them create maps..and if so..could they give me links to post here to increase our map database


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