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POW Prisoner of War[message #150624] Wed, 25 July 2007 06:52 Go to next message
Mace the Ace
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My merc keep-on dissapperring as a POW. I have been to Tixa and the Beach Prison area. How do I get my mercs back?
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150648] Wed, 25 July 2007 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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alma also has a prison. your POW mercs go there first! the only go to beach prison if you've already conquered the alma prison sector
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150666] Wed, 25 July 2007 16:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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You know I have never played a POW game yet. Other than just goofing around with it. So I ask now, if you do happen too let your mercs get taken as pow's, can you rescue them later? Or are they pretty much done for.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150668] Wed, 25 July 2007 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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it's said to be tricky to free them. in an unmodified alma prison, the enemies release mustard gas on your imprisoned mercs if you're not ultra-silent and/ or fast

so you can, but i think it's hard, under the aggressive and overgarrisoned 1.13 AI i would say that's quite a challenge


if your mercs get imprisoned at n7 however, they have to try to free themselves (in alma, you need to free them from outside) but they only have a knife and a weak pistol against a heavily modified enemy garrison. so that might be very interesting for those interested in HTH, sneaking and the like
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150669] Wed, 25 July 2007 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Right. I forgot about the mustard gas in Alma. Yes, that one is very hard to do, to not let them set off the gas. What about Tixa? There is only tear gas there. So you probably stand a better chance of rescuing your POW's there. Yeah, your pretty much screwed if your taken before the queen. Unless you can sneak out and make a run for the border.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150673] Wed, 25 July 2007 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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i never had my men in tixa. how do i do that? conquer alma and n7 first but not tixa?
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150684] Wed, 25 July 2007 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Well. I was thinking if Alma has already been conquered then Tixa would be your next stop for POW's. I could be wrong there. Maybe they go straight to the queen. I really don't know for sure. But it does seem logical that your merc pow's would end up in tixa at some point. Maybe not.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150705] Wed, 25 July 2007 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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i just lost my imp to pow camp!! first time ever , so im gonna play on and rescue after ! this game has always got a surprise somewhere , thats why i love it ,yeeha


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150710] Wed, 25 July 2007 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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If Tixa is already captured, and your mercs get captured, it will trigger an interrogatory with Queen Deidranna itself, she'll ask one of your mercs several questions, and you can lie or tell the truth, for every time you lie, Joe will beat you... If you manage to survive, you can move your mercs, find some weapons and kill Deidranna, Elliot and Joe without taking out Meduna!

Once my IMP got beaten by Joe, after I lied, then I simply ordered her to punch Joe, and... He didn't fought back! This way I killed Joe, Elliot and Deidranna, without much trouble XD

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Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150717] Thu, 26 July 2007 01:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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So it is possible then for merc pow's to end up in Tixa then? Only if you have not already liberated it.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150826] Thu, 26 July 2007 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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boy oh boy , thats interesting news lucas san , is info from patusco's or experience ? wonder what other scenarios weird an wunnerful we can get up to ? :biglaugh:


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150843] Fri, 27 July 2007 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Majek

 
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bah nothing is a as fun as the roses cutscene.
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150880] Fri, 27 July 2007 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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lockie
boy oh boy , thats interesting news lucas san , is info from patusco's or experience ? wonder what other scenarios weird an wunnerful we can get up to ? :biglaugh:


It's personal experience... Specially because once the interrogatory is over, Elliot himself puts your mercs in a prison cell, but he forgets to lock the cell... "ELLIOT! YOU IDIOT!!!"

Here's the info from Patusco's JA2 Strategy Guide 1.3:

"There are 3 locations where your imprisoned mercs are to be kept. Before you capture Alma, prisoners are taken to sector I13, Alma military prison. After you capture it, the mercs will be imprisioned in sector N7 (where normally are loads of LAW
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150888] Fri, 27 July 2007 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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there's still no example of merc prisoners at tixa

also, the first paragraph seems so full of mistakes, it made me smile
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150890] Fri, 27 July 2007 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AZAZEL

 
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You mean the prisoners not dying gassed in Alma, when enemy is presence-alerted? Smile
(in passing: it not only made me smile, but also do something)

I have found prisoners once in Tixa, years ago and playing 1.03 version.



Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150892] Fri, 27 July 2007 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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how did you manage? do you remember the routine of conquering towns or anything extraordinary? sci-fi mode? tixa yet unrevealed on the strategic map?

i also mean the thing about the "your custom merc" that is flat-out wrong, the delusion of the knife being there depending on whether you lie or not... (all from first paragraph)
entertaining. Might be misleading some new players, but entertaining nevertheless
(*wtf? i told the truth and there was still no knife?*)
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150894] Fri, 27 July 2007 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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i think i'll have to try Tixa getting them to Tixa. But there can be no cut scene at tixa, so they'll be placed in one of the cells, just like in alma, i guess?
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150898] Fri, 27 July 2007 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AZAZEL

 
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Aha, that first paragraph-with "observational speculations". Wink

No cutscene, notification of their presence as in Alma. Nope, I don't remember the sequence.



Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150899] Fri, 27 July 2007 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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where were they located? in this room that looks like a place where they'd torture inmates?

i'd like to know because in my redesign of tixa, i might have cut away parts of this room and i don't want prisoners to stand outside the fences Wink
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150927] Fri, 27 July 2007 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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i'll be trying to rescue my merc tonight , so i'll let you know how and where ......


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150936] Fri, 27 July 2007 18:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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Kill Diedrana without a fight from: NephilimSky@aol.com
I learned this one from a friend. Simply go the prison at N7 (where the enemy takes you when you get captured). Go to the jail, and place as many land mines as you can find directly in front of the doors there. Now leave the sector and "surrender" to the first enemies that see you. You will be captured, Diedrana will interrogate you, then leave. As soon as she does, she steps on the mines. Placed close together, this triggers a chain reaction of explosions that blow her sky high. When Diedrana dies, you win and the game ends - regardless of where you are at the time.

- http://www.strategyplanet.com/jaggedalliance/ja2t&t/tricks.htm

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Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #150980] Fri, 27 July 2007 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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hmmm , kinda defeats the purpose of a campaign , but again , thats whats great bout ja >>>


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #151758] Sat, 04 August 2007 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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ok, after rescueing my merc , he now seems to be recognised as friendly to redshirts , also doesnt see reds as enemy ?? is this evidence of brainwashing by dierdrannannanna ( couldnt seem to stop there )war crimes i say BAH!


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #151795] Sat, 04 August 2007 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Ha! Now that's weird. Must be a bug. Hopefully you have a savegame just prior to the rescue? That you can send to the 1.13 team to check out.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #151828] Sun, 05 August 2007 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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tisnt 1.13 ,im back to 1.03(problems with saves , this is the only version i seem to be able to get up and running)!


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #151840] Sun, 05 August 2007 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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The 1.13 team just released a major update and the save game bug was fixed. Check the release notes in the 1.13 section.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #151845] Sun, 05 August 2007 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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i'll do that . ta , update on merc ... just cannot be targeted by enemy even after shootin half dozen milling around ! could waltz into palace and assasinate deedy with no opposition . be pretty dull tho :sleep: , also cannot interrupt at all ,others in team have to do so . curious bug huh ?


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #165754] Mon, 26 November 2007 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JA fan

 
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Your IMP merc don't need to be the P.O.W to set the interrogation scene.
I've tried with Gumpy.(I,ve had him and Hamous in my team but I prefer Hamous to Gumpy.
I'm cruel.....) :transform:

WTF did make Lucas think this way......?
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192546] Fri, 01 August 2008 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
liquid

 
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1)
If you click the prison sector in Alma and your merc is captured there (or where your merc is captured), his name will glow up in the list of names of your mercs (where you can adress assignments) xD.

2) I have a problem at Tixa: I cant recruit Dynamo. I cleared the dungeon, freed Shank (useless -_-) but Dynamo won't join me! Never had problems with this before. I tried with my IMP (LDR: 60), he refused, then with Raider (LDR: about 93 now). Solutions? I really want Dynamo, my stuff is broken so I can use a good, free Mechanic!
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192564] Fri, 01 August 2008 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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you must let him tell both halfs of his story first...

Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192598] Fri, 01 August 2008 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
liquid

 
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@ Will
I did. He completed all of his dialogue text. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Any other suggestions? Can I use one of v1.13's editors to add Dynamo to my squad?
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192601] Fri, 01 August 2008 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Alma may need to be cleared also, or at least talk to Dynamo's brother Matt there. Not sure though.


Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192621] Fri, 01 August 2008 23:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mgl

 
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I have a problem at Tixa: I cant recruit Dynamo.
[...]
Never had problems with this before.

There is a thread about the broken Dynamo. That worked the only time it happened to me.

Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192645] Sat, 02 August 2008 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
liquid

 
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Okay, gonna try it when I'm recapturing Tixa; in Balime atm. Thanks!
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #192691] Sat, 02 August 2008 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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Stealt & Nightops skills.
Nunckaku & Katana & some Throwing Knives & Stun Grandes does the job well Very Happy
Some annoying bug wenn knife them can trigger alert or something.

I tested it with beat him to death. Save and reload before i killed him. Then knifed him and stay in combat mode.

Can some one explane me why?
Does kniving make any strange sound?

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Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #198576] Wed, 08 October 2008 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
FelixDrake

 
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When I first started playing Ja2 (ages ago), not knowing how much easier cambria was, I usually took out Alma right after Drassen was reinforced (and the SAM site) and reveled in the uber cool (for that point in the game) G41s and such. When this happened, my mercs would generally get sent to tixa if captured. Don't know if that's sometimes or always, but first capture with alma taken, and tixa not even marked on the map seems to get you to tixa.
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #200275] Tue, 28 October 2008 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
finnpalm

 
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From my experience it works like this:

If your mercs are taken prisoners they end up in Alma and/or Tixa. They get taken prisoner if they're the sole survivor or if just alone when encountering Deidranna's forces. Unless you hold both of these locations you will not get the interrogation scene with Deidranna at n7. I am not sure how much difference the t-shirt makes, and I have failed repeatedly at the supposed possibility to escape and kill Deidranna right there no matter if the area has been deserted or not nor which mercenary was interrogated, because after the queen leaves the cell with Joe and Elliot there is the little clock thing which I believe is shown while they "walk off the map" ie making it impossible to "catch up" with them and do any sort of killing.
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #224768] Thu, 02 July 2009 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
arulcopm

 
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this happens to me also my teammates are taken prisoner and they just vanish. the list says POW and i used my non-captured mercs and i attack tixa(and the basement) i see none of my guys there, go to alma, see no1 there either and finally the base camp at N7 - nobody there either

r they gone for good?

...
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #245438] Fri, 26 February 2010 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SJCommander
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They shouldn't be, AFAIK.
Re: POW Prisoner of War[message #245440] Fri, 26 February 2010 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Kaerar

 
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They may be in the alternative place in Meduna. Dunno if Orta is another holding location...


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