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Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #193441] Mon, 11 August 2008 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlueTrin

 
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It is probably the XBox 360 version
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #193443] Mon, 11 August 2008 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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So basically, what you lot are saying is that there are no good TBS tacticals out, the ones that are coming out soon are either not tactical or not Turn-based, and basically the genre has been slain on the altar of Big F***in' Guns and kung-fu-master reflexes.

Which makes one wonder - the market for a good Turn-based is filled with seething discontent - why doesn't anyone capitalize on it? I mean, seriously, they're not that hard to make, but apprently no game developer who's worth their two bits are willing to tackle this. Why do you think that is?


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #193474] Mon, 11 August 2008 12:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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HoMM are capitalising all right on this market (Heroes of Might & Magic). But thats about it.

The game industry is the new Hollywood nowdays. Delivers cheap action thrills in a package 10 times more expensive than a movie ticket. And people buy it. It's that simple. Games for people with brains don't make money, because you wont rush to buy the next addon as easy as a 10 year old would.


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #193477] Mon, 11 August 2008 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Which makes one wonder - the market for a good Turn-based is filled with seething discontent - why doesn't anyone capitalize on it? I mean, seriously, they're not that hard to make, but apprently no game developer who's worth their two bits are willing to tackle this.


the brothers (Gollup)who made xcom should gallup back to what they know and we love , make money for sure !

It seems as if take2 games , or 2k games are at least thinking of a UFO/Xcom revival , have a look at Strategy Core site , hmmmm , very interesting .

EDIT : xcom page

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Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #193725] Wed, 13 August 2008 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Arquebus

 
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Field ops looked interesting... anyone played it?
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #194547] Thu, 21 August 2008 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
davidf
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Field Ops is not out yet, it had a relase date then it just disapeared from all listings. As far as I can tell based on my internet searches it got canceled, which is a shame as I wanted to get it.
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #194548] Thu, 21 August 2008 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
davidf
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Its Xbox, but zoid assault looks to be a interesting turn based strategy RPG. Like operation Darkness its more western in feel, and remind me a little of Cyberstorm. Its coming out next month and plan to get it the first day out! Smile
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #195748] Tue, 02 September 2008 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Kindly give us a report please David , interested to see what you think . :ok:


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #196298] Fri, 12 September 2008 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
afp

 
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worth taking a look:
http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/9thcompanyrootsofterror/screenshots.html#latest
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #201429] Tue, 11 November 2008 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
baby arm
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Squad Battles: Spanish Civil War is out. Haven't picked this one up yet, but the Squad Battles series is always solid entertainment.

In a similar vein, Lock n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad should be out soonish.

And there's Valkyria Chronicles for those with a PS3 and can stomach anime style graphics. I'd pick this one up in a heartbeat if there was a PC version.
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #201471] Wed, 12 November 2008 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cagemonkey

 
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Shanga

HoMM are capitalising all right on this market (Heroes of Might & Magic). But thats about it.

The game industry is the new Hollywood nowdays. Delivers cheap action thrills in a package 10 times more expensive than a movie ticket. And people buy it. It's that simple. Games for people with brains don't make money, because you wont rush to buy the next addon as easy as a 10 year old would.


Indeed, all the producers are looking is a company of willing slaves... I mean eager employees who are read to modify the Call Of Duty engine. Then they call it a WWII strategy-simulator or whatever. Not many developers nowadays seem to know what the words strategy, tactics, simulator and dynamic means. But they love to use them.
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #201501] Wed, 12 November 2008 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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over at strategycore , they have announced 'Moseby's Confederacy' , a TBS game , looks a little like commando's with objectives inside missions . Supposedly out late November .


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #201532] Wed, 12 November 2008 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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So I bought UFO package for $15 on steam , 5 games. well it's almost xmas after all , ( my wife saw a house with santa's etc on the roof today ! )it's supposed to work on vista , let you all know how it goes .

EDIT : well , they work ok , guess I'm going to have to start a campaign sometime soon .

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Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #232604] Sat, 05 September 2009 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dzsono

 
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What irks me about JA3 being based on the Silent Storm engine is that Silent Storm was way too sluggish. It had so much potential to be something really great, but the gameplay was so unresponsive even when player speed was turned up to 200%. I really hope it is heavily modified if they ever do finish the bloody thing...
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #278883] Fri, 29 April 2011 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
amoult

 
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Here's one new team/turn based game that looks (mildly) interesting:
http://www.teamassault-game.com/game.php

"As a new take on the classic TBT (turn-based tactics) games such as Jagged Alliance and Silent Storm, TA focuses on advanced game mechanics and player customization. The game should be ready for release late 2010/early 2011"

Graphics are so and so and I'm rather tired to WW2 setting, but signed up for beta to check out the game play.

Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #278946] Sat, 30 April 2011 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fozzie

 
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Looks promising at least but I share the mixed feelings towards the scenario. Also "20 different weapons" doesn't sound too good. Maybe the gameplay can save it.
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #278948] Sat, 30 April 2011 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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We all are probably very spoiled in this regard. RPGs with randomly created 'Sword of doom and cookies' and Borderlands with its random guns aside, how many games do you know that have in excess of several hundred guns? (AIMNAS has ~450 by now)

20 should cover most of the important WWII stuff, it just seems funny to us that they advertise it Wink


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #279032] Sun, 01 May 2011 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fozzie

 
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You're right, of course, but halve those 20 in regards to what is used by Axis/Allies respectively and you get to maybe just one or two specific weapon per type per faction. Pistol, SMG, Rifle, MG, Grenade - that makes five basic categories and there can't be more than two of each type for each side if they use different fabricates, which they should. That's not too much variety. I don't call for "Tons of Guns", but maybe at least around 50 shouldn't be too hard.
Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #279207] Tue, 03 May 2011 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
parachute

 
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Really looking forward to this. No hit-points, yay! I hope the physics are working. Squad-based Combat Mission scenario with X-Com / JA gameplay sounds fun to me. I also hope that this is a wargame, not some action-rpg (again). The thing that gets me most excited, however, is that this will be TURN-BASED. Not sure what you need 100's of different guns for?

Release will be around June 15 (according to their forum and slitherine's website).

If this is remotely close to a turn-based version of Company of Heroes or Men of War, I MAY be able to uninstall JA2. I really need to flank/shoot/interrupt something else.

For anybody interested: strategycore has a nice article about the game: http://www.strategycore.co.uk/articles/previews/team-assault-baptism-of-fire-preview/

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Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #279938] Sat, 14 May 2011 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Speaking of XCom , I have been playing UFO Extraterrestrials , it's much better than UFO Afterlife etc... isn't 3d but decent gameplay , got it at Amazon .


Also been playing Dues Ex , updated graphics version .
Cool :bluecool:

And Hired Guns ... it gets better .....

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Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #280102] Wed, 18 May 2011 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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I have been playing UFO Extraterrestrials


How do you like it? It is pretty good, hu? I like that there is a reasonable large amount of maps so that playing the same "type" of environment doesn't get instantly boring, however there is no randomization on the maps, just enemy positioning. I also like the weapons / research progression, it is much better than UFO:AI, which isn't done yet, I know.

However I believe you can't die if I remember correctly? Or was that UFO:AI? Basically when you get shot you fall to the ground and then the amount of time you need to heal depends on how severe your injury was. I believe you can "cheat" this a little by prolonging combat and appying med kits, maybe I am confusing this with UFO:AI again?

The flying saucer aliens are pretty deadly, you better take them out as soon as you see them, one hit and your guy is almost done for.


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #280113] Wed, 18 May 2011 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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However I believe you can't die if I remember correctly


True . Not so annoying though , as you lose the troops for a considerable time , depending on severity of wounds .
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The flying saucer aliens are pretty deadly, you better take them out as soon as you see them, one hit and your guy is almost done for.


The further you go , even the 'floating blobs' , which are one shot kills earlier , are tougher and deadlier .
Balance seems good weapon progression too , all in all , not a bad game at all !


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #280149] Thu, 19 May 2011 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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... all in all , not a bad game at all !


Yes, I agree, not bad at all!!


Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #284664] Sat, 25 June 2011 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Frog

 
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Ufo extraterrestrials is not a bad game. But a terribly boring game, i can't finish it, it's just impossible. After ton of combat (nearly after the second laser rifle in research, the one after plasma) it's a pain to enter un combat mod, to finish it, to come to another ect...

A good mod for this game is here for those who play this game.

http://www.ufo-scene.com/plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1576

Re: Some squad-based games to come[message #342543 is a reply to message #193474] Fri, 25 September 2015 09:54 Go to previous message
johnson

 
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Shanga wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 11:38

HoMM are capitalising all right on this market (Heroes of Might & Magic). But thats about it.

The game industry is the new Hollywood nowdays. Delivers cheap action thrills in a package 10 times more expensive than a movie ticket. And people buy it. It's that simple. Games for people with brains don't make money, because you wont rush to buy the next addon as easy as a 10 year old would.


That depends on how shiny you like your games... Form the top of my head, that wasnt mentioned here: The free Battle for Wesnoth. Panzer corps very enjoyable [..] Paradox has been making deep strategy games for a while (including HOI if you don't mind RTwP)

Anyway there is nothing more more annoying than someone who goes to each blockbuster movies, just so they can complain how shallow they are. AKA as people who keep playing AAA TBS and.. at best AAA TBS should be consumed one year after the fact with some mod that add depth.
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