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Mauser

 
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since the retail version of Hired Guns: the jagged edge is out since yesterday (in germany at least), it

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #179614] Mon, 31 March 2008 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BulletSix

 
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some random subjective comments after playing a few hours, taken 4-5 sectors:

-the handling is actually ok. Definitely room for improvement, but i

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #179763] Tue, 01 April 2008 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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are there any date for the english ver?
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #179768] Tue, 01 April 2008 23:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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are there any date for the english ver?


nope, nothing to find anywhere on the web. if there

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #179874] Wed, 02 April 2008 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdlikins
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Servus.

I am an American living in Europe. Huge JA fan and reasonably good German. Is this game a BUY or a No BUY?

Jdl
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180073] Fri, 04 April 2008 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you rate JA2 at 95%, I'd give Hired Guns about 75%. Solid try, but could do better. The main selling points for me were the improved graphics (it actually is pretty, especially the grasslands maps), and orgasmic weapon sounds (Your AK will bark and there is a superb echo type thing in wide open spaces. Along with that, there's all sorts of bullet buzzing noises that it makes if you have the camera near the impact zone).

Buggy, some crap features, some missing ones, but a very solid TB tactical game to pass time until JA3 comes out.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180079] Fri, 04 April 2008 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdlikins
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thanks Lytin!

I will go to the game spot and buy one.

Aufwiedersehen!

jdl
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180094] Fri, 04 April 2008 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BulletSix

 
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Yep Lytin puts it right, i

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180305] Sun, 06 April 2008 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found the demo quite buggy so I
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180312] Sun, 06 April 2008 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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personally, i

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180443] Mon, 07 April 2008 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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patience is the way of the veteran gamer!


Word!
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180710] Thu, 10 April 2008 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well then, bittorrent has done it

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180836] Fri, 11 April 2008 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks for taking the trouble to review this mauser , think I'll pass on buying till hopefully patched english version ready . :ok:


Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180867] Fri, 11 April 2008 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BulletSix

 
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hmm strange ...
i conquered all but 5 or six sectors and had about *thinks really hard* 10 CTDs, mostly while loading a game/map (no corrupted savegames, they worked all after the restart).

I haven

Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #180963] Fri, 11 April 2008 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks for taking the trouble to review this mauser , think I'll pass on buying till hopefully patched english version ready . :ok:


no trouble to thank for at all lockie. i was waiting for a viable alternative to JA2 and thought, many others were too. too bad we

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181327] Mon, 14 April 2008 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
svean

 
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I tried german version last night.

What I have to say - this game pissed me off a lot. Graphics seems cool but else... Razz

While I was starting I crashed 2 times (!!?). The second time after loading autosave I've lost equipment for one guy (gun, vest, helmet and ammo) Razz Then I had to leave the game and start again because one of my mercs disapeared while deployment, and couldn't be put anywhere Razz

There is no egonomics at all. I mean - when you create your own merc - there is no slider to set leadership to 35, or marksmanship to 85, you have to click 30 times on every stat... There are no hotkeys - I was always clickin "c" "s" or "p" to change stance, "l" to look in the direction and so on...

The specialities like rooftop sniping or nightops are lost at all?? Night ops probably for good because there is no nights Razz But what is for the damn psycho test at all??


This game shold be 3D Jagged Alliance... Graphics look OK but this is the only thing OK in this game. For me this maybe MAYBE should get 50% at all. Maybe this is because of me because I had so high expectations, but this game is some kind of early beta version, if they would just get some points from JA2 (maybe mods) they would be able to make it a lot, LOT better Razz
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181337] Mon, 14 April 2008 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BulletSix

 
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uhm ... there are hotkeys

try to hover above the icons for a few seconds

Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181369] Mon, 14 April 2008 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
svean

 
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Maybe I just overreacted Wink But I got pissed off after 3rd crash in 15 minutes after starting the game Razz

There are hotkey - just different than in JA2. I try to get used to Wink

Anyway ergonomics of the game if far beyond regular JA2 ergomomics - while the game tries to be almost the same...
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181391] Mon, 14 April 2008 22:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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There is no egonomics at all. I mean - when you create your own merc - there is no slider to set leadership to 35, or marksmanship to 85, you have to click 30 times on every stat...


egonomics : the study of your mercs mind I like it !! :ok:


Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181471] Tue, 15 April 2008 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BulletSix

 
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oh it is inferior to JA2 1.13 in MANY ways ...
maybe in all except the graphics ....

Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181504] Tue, 15 April 2008 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
svean

 
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egonomics : the study of your mercs mind I like it !! :ok:


If I have to click 30 times instead of just 1 (like it was in JA2) - isn't there something wrong?? I would call it ergomomics - the interface isn't as good as it was in previous (almost 10 years old) versions...

Anyway - maybe this game isn't as bas as it look like - I haven't any crash in last 2 hours Wink

I just hope for nights in the addition (mentioned by developers), also a sky (without it the camera works... not good enough, and a LOT of patching...

Maybe they would also change the aiming and dependancy of attachmets - I mean in regular JA2 (and 90% mods) the range of a gun was dependant on gun (and ammo) velocity and ability to have quite a straight line of flying bullet, accurancy was something like ergonomics for accurate hitting, and attachmets (scopes) allowed to increase this ergonomics with merc abilities... now attachment like scope allows for something like higher velocity of bullet Razz

This happends always with good games - even if their successors have a lot of adventages they are always compared they way they have something different not as good as it was previously Wink

Anyway - Hired Guns is something what real veteran of JA2 probably should try...
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181674] Wed, 16 April 2008 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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twas just a jocular reference to your misspelled word ! actually egonomics IS a good word for mental statistics and characteristics of our mercs .
peace bro . Smile


Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181796] Thu, 17 April 2008 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdlikins
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Was not pleased with game at all. I found E5 much superior. The figures are really small and the movement system clumsy.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181920] Thu, 17 April 2008 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stromb

 
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There's another review here : http://www.gamona.de/pc/article/detail/id-doch_keine_wachabloese_fuer_jagged_allia_628875.htm

I've not idea what they say (it's in german) but they seem to gave the game 68 % score.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #181934] Fri, 18 April 2008 02:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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@ Stromb: well, let me help you with that.

it basically says just what all the other reviews say and what i have written together here:

it

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #182005] Fri, 18 April 2008 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
svean

 
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There's another review here : http://www.gamona.de/pc/article/detail/id-doch_keine_wachabloese_fuer_jagged_allia_628875.htm

I've not idea what they say (it's in german) but they seem to gave the game 68 % score.


Use http://www.google.com/translate page - work fine even in russian Wink
BTW - there is quite ineteresting page in russian (just need to be translated, auto-translate with google works fine):
http://www.jazz-game.ru

Seems that Russians have some self-made patches and few modifications right now Razz
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #182018] Fri, 18 April 2008 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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indeed, it seems like russian modders are already at fixing this game up. adding a ton of new guns and stuff also. even day/night cycle like it seems.

well, let

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #182196] Sat, 19 April 2008 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stromb

 
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@ Mauser : Thx for the summary !

@ Svean : yes, thx for the links, i use sometimes online tools, but the result is often a bit random / messy (depending of the style of the writer). I shall try again Google next time.

Let's hope than modders will achieve something, and that they're english speaking friendly, or at least german.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #182199] Sat, 19 April 2008 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So is anyone working on a english translation???
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #182216] Sat, 19 April 2008 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So is anyone working on a english translation???


maybe the publisher? who knows?

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #182909] Sun, 27 April 2008 05:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is there an english publisher yet?
I didn't think that GFI had found one.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #183034] Mon, 28 April 2008 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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nope , dont think so , mausers got all the news covered here though .


Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #184407] Wed, 07 May 2008 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BentonGrey
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Man, I've been following this game for a long while now, and here's hoping that we'll see an American (or at least English) release soon, and that the mod community will be very healthy. I've got a GI JOE mod that I've just been waiting for the right game to fit, but it won't be possible if there is no 3rd party community.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185096] Tue, 13 May 2008 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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heya, had to register just to tell you guys about the hired guns: jagged edge.
after getting the german version via torrent, i have found the file structure to be similar to 1.13 mod.

i mean that theres like xml files to actually script and mod the game.
i found that theres a locale folder that has russian and english folders in it, not sure how they work as of yet.

also has a script folder that has like ammo, armor, emails for the ingame laptop i guess and much more in xml.

so basically i'm requesting that the modders might take a look and make the game as it should have been.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185103] Tue, 13 May 2008 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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@ noppaviis: you probably have come to the wrong place for this request. every capable man here is already busy making JA2 as it should have been. no manpower left for other games. especailly if those are not as good in any way as JA2.

so keep looking for able modders and coders and if you find them, please send em over here because we need them much more than Hired Guns!

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185106] Tue, 13 May 2008 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
noppa84
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i guess you are right and i really appreciate the work that the modders have done on the 1.13 mod.
still loving the game after so many years because of that, so a big thanks to all the modders in here.

i'll keep looking at the hired guns a bit more for now though, even managed to turn the german version to mostly english already.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185110] Tue, 13 May 2008 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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problem with Hired Guns seems to be, that there is almost no community and even the developers seem very slow and reluctant in patching the whole thing up.

and unless there

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Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185112] Tue, 13 May 2008 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
noppa84
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actually i tried to find JA3's release date and stuff, but then i stumbled on hired guns as Jagged Alliance clone or JA3D.

right now i have no idea when or if the real JA3, sequel to JA2 comes out.
keeping my thumbs up and hoping this summer though.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185362] Fri, 16 May 2008 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know...it seems to me that we are perhaps dismissing Hired Guns too quickly. It all may be moot if it never receives an English release, but if it does, it stands a fair chance of being a much better platform, mod wise, than JA3. The developers have told us that militia and training are out in JA3, but they are present in HG. It is a game with many flaws, from what I hear, but it may well be the best place to migrate to eventually. After all, the community here is incredibly talented, and more than capable of taking a game with a very good core and transforming it into what JA3 should be. This all depends, of course, on the real JA3 being a disappointment, which I am certainly hoping will not be the case.
Re: Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge - reviews and retail version[message #185431] Fri, 16 May 2008 19:05 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I played the JAZZ demo, but I was less than impressed. People gotta think better when making the NEXT Jagged Alliance. What do you think made the series so loved? The blood and gore? The weapons? The TBS combat? Nope... These are things easy to replicate, you can then slap a half naked chick on the cover and THINK you have made JA3 but you are actually in a totally wrong place.

JA2 was made with an RPG soul. The fact that Sir-tech also produced Wizardry is more than evident in how the approached game design. They let the player play a role, explore, solve quests, things that are more than a nice gfx engine that allows you to shoot a gun.

That's why is so hard to replicate the feeling of JA2. Everyone's starting on the wrong assumption. If they'd take a great RPG game, add a strategic element to it, then modern combat, they would be so much closer...

PS: There won't be any JA3 unless Ian Currie makes one. Only 3d clones.

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