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Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240564] Sat, 26 December 2009 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roadkill

 
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Keep this nice and friendly please Smile

The last time we tried to get this going we got bogged down in public discussions about things.
I think we can make more progress by having a team giving direction to SMP, rather than having everyone pulling at it in the direction where they think might be a good direction at that time.

I'm not saying i'm the best guy to pull this cart, but nobody else was.
And i said before that this can't be a one man show. So i invited the people that have shown an active interest in SMP to join the Project Management Team to lead SMP. So far that team consists of Kearer, Mauser, The_Bob, BirdFlu, Shanga and myself.

Right now we're trying to get several things sorted out and establish a direction for SMP to get it moving again. The direction it'll be moving in is the direction it was always supposed to be moving in: towards a stable modding platform.
How we're going to get there is what we're trying to pin down. That means the code base (Stracciatella Wink ), file-formats to use, what's to be externalized and so forth. And of course what additional features (if any) will be incorporated (what features will be in SMP "out-of-the-box" and obviously as an extention of that "what features are better off as mods") We're doing that away from public scrutiny so that hopefully we can get things decided and get SMP moving.

That all being said: nothing prevents any of you from posting suggestions. Make a list of additional features you want added. Write out goals you think SMP should ultimately accomplish. Send one of the current project management team members a PM explaining why you should be part of that team. Post that nifty new file-format we can use and tell us why it's the best. We may not agree but we will consider it.
But whatever you do, please don't come here telling you think SMP is dead without explaining why you think so.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240565] Sat, 26 December 2009 03:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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The only features I can think about are related to gameplay, unfortunately. That's beside externalizing everything that already exists in base JA2, of course.


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240590] Sat, 26 December 2009 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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Roadkill

But whatever you do, please don't come here telling you think SMP is dead without explaining why you think so.


You have to admit that, exactly by doing that, i made you reveal the necessary information to sensibly keep my hopes up. Now that i see you have Birdflu on the team, i can keep up my dreams of SMP becoming a reality because i know he's great at what he does, he's innovative and gets things done.

It's a technique called provocation that is often neccessary to overcome people's notorious phlegm.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240597] Sat, 26 December 2009 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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It's a technique called provocation that is often neccessary to overcome people's notorious phlegm.


Try using cough mixture ........ Very Happy

I know , I'll get me coat !


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240612] Sun, 27 December 2009 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roadkill

 
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the scorpion
It's a technique called provocation that is often neccessary to overcome people's notorious phlegm.


Another technique is called "asking" which often has the same effect without adding any aftertaste. At times it may not look like it, but i am really quite a nice and open (minded) kind of guy Wink

Like i said before "we're assembling a team and formulating things and plotting out a direction" which often takes a longer time than others might hope for. At least one of the people i wanted on board seems to have dissapeared. I had hoped to have all the people i wanted on board by now and be able to make some sort of announcement of where we are, where we are heading and who's plotting the course. But we still have some things to organize and people to approach. Real life, including the "end of the year rush" at work and the holiday season have interfered with things like that.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240615] Sun, 27 December 2009 01:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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i don't know you at all, so i have to rely on statistics. And the statistics vastly favour provocation over asking nicely (at least within this forum and the past 5 years that is) in order to get information.

Having a few reasonable people on the formerly super-secret team is enough of a straw for me to grasp.
That said, it must be clear that i have interest and stakes in your success, (more than most people i'd wager... ) and while i see the use of working privately, some cornerstones better be communicated BEFORE someone has to make a fuzz about it. And to not reveal the super-secret team even though mentioning it in a posting was VERY shortsighted looking at it ex-post and it was clear that the question had to be asked. It would have spared us the fuzz if communicated better from the get go. Yes, we do care what is being done even if it sometimes doesn't appear so.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240627] Sun, 27 December 2009 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Provocation with this team isn't really the best way to proceed, for a start we are all relatively amiable folk Wink

Well at least you know that asking is an option mate Smile

Looking forward to the new year though Very Happy


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240633] Sun, 27 December 2009 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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And Peace rained down on us all.............. Awwwwww Very Happy


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240637] Sun, 27 December 2009 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the scorpion

 
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Kaerar
Provocation with this team isn't really the best way to proceed, for a start we are all relatively amiable folk Wink


provocation worked in this case. provocation 1, dev phlegm 0


also the use of provocation doesn't mean anybody's character is doubted. Intelligence maybe, dedication maybe too, but as i previously wrote in case it eluded you, statistic evidence is very clear cut in this respect. I wished it was otherwise and people would just do the right thing on their own, but unfortunately, that's not the way it currently works.

Besides, that point is settled since like 5 postings. Get back to work asap :taskmaster:
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240661] Mon, 28 December 2009 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roadkill

 
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Yeah, it should have been communicated sooner, but as i tried to explain, a few snags were encountered along the way. We're sorting out some logistic issues (cleaning up old SMP-related member groups) and making a last ditch attempt to contact some people. Once that's wrapped up an announcement is on it's way.

You're right though, the issue (if there was any) is settled and peace has apparently rained so we're moving on Smile
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240838] Thu, 31 December 2009 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Centurion

 
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I'm looking forward to the day when 1.14 smp gets released because it will be the day when I'm made king of norway and angelina jolie softly kisses my nuts
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240855] Thu, 31 December 2009 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tao

 
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:biglaugh:
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #240880] Fri, 01 January 2010 20:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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Well guys, a brand new virgin year is here and now

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Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #241995] Sat, 16 January 2010 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
AlphaNoobmeric
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Good luck! You've got my lurker support!
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242000] Sat, 16 January 2010 06:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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Let me know how I can help.


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242006] Sat, 16 January 2010 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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Dieter
Let me know how I can help.


hmmm, let me thing about that. how about...doing something? anything? no matter what, just start with something?

i honestly have no idea where to begin with this project right now, but i

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Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242010] Sat, 16 January 2010 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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Hi Mauser, I have created a Wiki on Pbwiki.com, below is the info:

URL: http://ja2v114smp.pbworks.com
Admin User: ja2v114smp@yahoo.com
Wiki Pwd: smppanel

I can change any of this, just let me know what you need. The Wiki can store 2 GB of files and has lots of template pages, we can use it as we see fit. Let me know if you need the Yahoo account password, I didn't want people abuse it.


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242012] Sat, 16 January 2010 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tao

 
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That was fast!
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242013] Sat, 16 January 2010 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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He, he, but was it useful? Smile


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242035] Sat, 16 January 2010 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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Dieter
Hi Mauser, I have created a Wiki on Pbwiki.com, below is the info:

URL: http://ja2v114smp.pbworks.com
Admin User: ja2v114smp@yahoo.com
Wiki Pwd: smppanel

I can change any of this, just let me know what you need. The Wiki can store 2 GB of files and has lots of template pages, we can use it as we see fit. Let me know if you need the Yahoo account password, I didn't want people abuse it.


uhm, well thanks Dieter! that indeed was fast.

Now all we need to do, is fill this with some content, of which most still has to be created by the team.

do we already have a proper project description of SMP project anyways? that would be a good starting article to put on the Wiki. let

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Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242177] Mon, 18 January 2010 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zilpin

 
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mm hm.



I write software technical design documents for a living, along with handling project management.
Willing to put my skills to "better" use.

Just point me to the current code, and the short list of what survived the community flame war last year.

Putting together a detailed Stage 1 document would only take a couple weekends.



Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242187] Mon, 18 January 2010 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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zilpin
mm hm.



I write software technical design documents for a living, along with handling project management.
Willing to put my skills to "better" use.

Just point me to the current code, and the short list of what survived the community flame war last year.

Putting together a detailed Stage 1 document would only take a couple weekends.





well, that

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Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242218] Tue, 19 January 2010 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zilpin

 
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I guess first step would be to get Wiki access.
I'm submitting a request for that now.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242243] Wed, 20 January 2010 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Mail Roadkill....... possibly .


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242264] Wed, 20 January 2010 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Dieter would be better to mail, he did set it up Wink


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #242329] Fri, 22 January 2010 08:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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Emailed zilpin all the info (it is also posted above). Basically I created a new wiki (free) and I also created a new user account (free) and I gave admin permissions for all of the wiki to the user account.

Since the wiki is free they have some restrictions on how many user accounts you are allowed, as a result I made a shared admin account we all can use as we don't need individual access restrictions. Once we feel we have enough content and need stronger access control, we can simply change the account password to reduce the group of people who can make write changes.

Feel free to ask me questions, also I am available to do more of course, just let me know what you need.


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #243193] Thu, 04 February 2010 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dyson

 
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Hello Guys an Girls,

I just want to say, that I'm really happy, that there are so many of you which still work on JA2.

I love this game since I've played the first part. I really often return to JA2 and play it again for a while.

That is great work which you all do and I'm grateful that I can profite from that and have a good time with JA2.

All these changes and all that great progress since the first 1.13... I just can say "Wow"

1.14 is my wet dream. Often I feel the desire to play JA2 again but then I think "uhm, DCA again? Same procedere as everytime?" Then I feel to play a mod, with new content. But for me, playing a mod which developement has cancelled and which does not or only partially work with 1.13 is only half of the fun.
Therefore I really hope that one day there is a 1.14 SMP. This could really be a progress since modmakers could be motivated to concentrate on making content. Probably a once made mod for 1.14 could be played several time later with all the 1.13 progress done in the same time. What a great idea!
20 working JA2 Mods for 1.14.... That's what I call "I have a dream" Very Happy

Thank you all
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #243213] Thu, 04 February 2010 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
herb

 
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First love never gets rusty
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249053] Sun, 11 April 2010 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mythrell

 
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Since it's Stracciatella, I could try again, specially if you gents have some kind of a plan this time. Smile

Still don't know that much about C++, but I'd figure I can do something useful.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249137] Mon, 12 April 2010 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mauser

 
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well mythrell, welcome to the project then!

i hope you

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Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249153] Mon, 12 April 2010 14:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helios

 
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I'd humbly suggest getting someone who can write and define a development and release strategy. Working in ufo and several other mods made me believe that planning and strategy, even bad planning and strategy, are better than having none at all.

Someone needs to be aware of what's going on and what each member is doing and make a plan.
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249169] Mon, 12 April 2010 16:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mythrell

 
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Yes, exactly what I'm thinking. It would be even better imo to make it more like (gasp) work, list of things which needs to be done and anyone can grab one and do it when ever.

Of course that would need someone dedicated to running the op and others to follow Smile

Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249175] Mon, 12 April 2010 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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LOL, looks like we are all on the same page, we just need to get in the same room (virtual or real!!) and knut all this out. I mentioned it in another thread, but I may as well re-mention it Wink


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249231] Tue, 13 April 2010 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helios

 
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I know many people don't like google, but I can vouch for google wave being a really useful app when it comes to pm&d. Setting up a project at zoho is also another idea... bottom line is this: any of these 'virtual office environments' are much better suited for project management and developement than just a webforum/email combo.


Some of the mods that came out of Russia recently are quite impressive... I could imagine that if the jagged alliance community were more cohesive and organized you would see a lot more of those projects, I for one hope that smp is that tool that can bring all this talent together. I've been thinking and I'd love to be a part of this project in some capacity, is there anyone I can contact (email/skype) to get a general idea of the project and to present the previous mods I've worked on?
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249236] Tue, 13 April 2010 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Well Dieter, Mauser, Roadkil and I seem to be at the helm at the moment. You can always give me a PM if ya like Smile


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249245] Tue, 13 April 2010 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mythrell

 
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Any chance I can get working yet? I've been browsing my own mod last couple days, thinking if I should spend quality time externalizing some stuff... but I'd love to do it for the SMP as that would actually make some sense. Smile
Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249247] Tue, 13 April 2010 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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PM Kaerar , and thrash out what might be done between you .


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249279] Wed, 14 April 2010 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BirdFlu

 
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Welcome to everyone who wants to participate. As a starting point you can use the "unofficial" SMP source code that i released/announced in the super secret SMP private zone of this forum. It is based on the Stracciatella code (one of the latest releases) and i also added all kinds of stuff to it, like the VFS. It also compiles with MS Visual studio, not just gcc. The project and makefiles that are still in there are probably outdated, as i switched to CMake configuration files. Also the code that i released was inside a Mercurial repository, so you might need to install that one too.

If you have no access to the private section, i could re-release it somewhere else.

Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249284] Wed, 14 April 2010 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Lockie can you give Helios and Mythrell SMP status so they can access the appropriate threads please Smile


Re: Project "v1.14 Stable Modding Platform" Looking for Coders and Modders[message #249293] Wed, 14 April 2010 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
lockie

 
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Nope ! I'll mail Shanga though.... Smile


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