Mustard gas is useless[message #205782]
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Wed, 07 January 2009 19:09
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Every elite enemy has an omnibus head armor that gives light at both day and night, and immunity to gas. At least, that's what I think. I threw one in an indoor room, waited forever for it to go away, and advanced. A bad guy unloaded a full clip into my full health IMP, killing him.
There was literally no way to get past this part without either cannon fodder, or using 4-5 regular grenades per room, which is unacceptable. Mustard gas should do damage even with a mask on, because it's far too weak otherwise, and it doesn't work as an anti camper weapon as it should.
What's even more upsetting was my IMP had the stealthy trait, level 8, full camo, and was sneaking on stealth mode while crouched. He STILL got interrupted first. I'm shocked when I actually get the first move, because it almost always goes to the enemies.
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Re: Mustard gas is useless[message #206306]
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Wed, 14 January 2009 11:18
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cougar |
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Registered:March 2000 |
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lockieWear mask = vision loss though ,hmmmm ,so how come they seem to spot me AND throw mustard all at once ( usually night fights I'm in ) :whoknows:
Wearing a mask does not give you a vision loss. Not in range neither in tunnel vision.
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Master Sergeant
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Re: Mustard gas is useless[message #206310]
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Wed, 14 January 2009 11:58
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cougar |
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Well that is up to each and everyone to decide. Personally I don't think a mask should limit vision too much but it should definitely have a negative effect on BP and/or AP (preferably BP). In real life a good modern mask does not decrease the field of view too much and it doesn't decrease range at all but it sure makes it harder to run.
That said a new mask could be added with less tunnel vision if one decided to add some to the existing mask, a good candidate here would be the MCU-2/P or the XM50 JSGPM . Both use a singe lens instead of two separate lenses, giving a somewhat wider FOV.
Furthermore the description on the current mask is completely screwed up, the M17 series is American not Russian like the description says. The Russians (and USSR) used other designs such as those seen here (Russian Federation) and here (USSR)
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Master Sergeant
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Re: Mustard gas is useless[message #206313]
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Wed, 14 January 2009 12:15
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cougar |
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Yes some tunnel vision will be seen but no reduction in sight range (like I said above). I believe the JSGPM had a target FOV of about 80%, so it will be a bit less with older models. Misting will be a problem with nearly all masks as they should be sealed , otherwise they would lose their purpose.
As for the game I believe I read somewhere here that stacking tunnel vision could be tricky (mask + scope). And the BP/AP decrease is more important than the vision penalty IMO. On the other hand the mask could have both of these as it is not something that should be worn all the time anyway. Masks are not worn all the time, only at higher CBRN alert levels.
The thing is that we won't get a realistic usage of the gas mask unless we add an NBC suit against mustard gas. A gas mask alone will not protect against mustard gas.
Besides the use of the mustard gas is pretty unrealistic too. The developers should have just named it H4-A5 Poison Gas (or other invented name) and given it a description like this:
H4-A5 Poison GasDeveloped by the weapons technicians in Orta the H4-A5 Poison Gas is a non-blistering, biodegradable poison gas that target and destroys the alveoli of the lungs. Yellow in color H4-A5 was developed for the Queen's Elite for use against rebels hiding in cellars and tunnels. Without a gas mask unconsciousness will set in within minutes with death following shortly afterwards.
It would be a much better description of the gas that currently is called mustard gas. I guess they used mustard gas because people were familiar with it. The truth is that the vast majority doesn't know how mustard gas work or what it is. Even the description of the mustard gas in the game is wrong on several points.
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Re: Mustard gas is useless[message #206354]
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Wed, 14 January 2009 22:23
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Badbru |
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Registered:January 2008 Location: Perth Australia |
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lockieQuote:Poster: cougar
Subject: Re: Mustard gas is useless
Originally Posted By: lockie
Wear mask = vision loss though ,hmmmm ,so how come they seem to spot me AND throw mustard all at once ( usually night fights I'm in )
Wearing a mask does not give you a vision loss. Not in range neither in tunnel vision.
but at night , as I have already stated I usually sneak about , you cannot wear mask and NVG , so loss of vision range to enemy while lobbing gas at me from out of MY vision range while I'm wearing nvg , seems NOT to happen !
Anyway , originally I asked what triggered enemy to use gas ?
Bloomin lost my own self there
What version are you playing Lochie? All of mine wear gas masks and NVG's if at night and Shift + N,
swap to sunglasses and Gas mask during the day, so, you can wear Gas Mask and NVG within the game . ???
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