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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211491]
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Mon, 30 March 2009 08:42
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Kaerar |
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LOL, you think your taxes go back into public works? How about the reality that it all goes to the Fed Reserve to pay back interest on the money leant to the Govt in the first place.
A government has the ability to mint and control the money supply directly, no need for the Fed Reserve. Without even going into the other aspects, if the govt took back control of the money supply and stopped paying interest to private banking organisations suddenly all this devaluation nonsense would be ended. If the govt needed money to create a public works project and the budget wasn't sufficient they could extend the money supply, which doesn't devalue the currency because the money is being used to pay people for work, whereas when a bank creates a loan against nothing it devalues the currency. There is a lot of detailed info on this Khor1255, just so long as you remove your rose tinted glasses long enough to read it
I didn't advocate removal of government, I would have thought that putting the govt back in it's correct place would be beneficial though. The govt is there as a tool for the people not there to rule the people. As soon a govt oversteps this position (nearly all western ones have) the people should stand up and stop the corruption. However due to very clever media usage over the last 100 years, the people have been progressively trained to leave the hard stuff to the politicians and not do something about it. This has left the govt's ruled by corporate entities and banks that are acting in the best interest of their beneficiaries and not the people. Are you going to suggest we let them take the majority of the wealth into the hands of a few in an effort to control us even more?
Khor1255Yeah, try not doing your taxes in the US. Even if they owe you you will end up hugely in debt just for not filing the stupid forms.
You have the same in the UK and Australia. I haven't filed a return in 5 years, and before that I only filed one because I didn't know that I didn't have to. Get the IRS to show you the law that states you have to mate. But I warn you make sure you are well versed in legal jargon before you start because words you know the meaning of in English mean something else in legal terms. Black's and Bouvier's Law Dictionaries are a good start, the earlier the better.
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211515]
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Mon, 30 March 2009 13:06
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Kaerar |
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Khor1255Although I am opposed to a lot of taxes (estate tax, property tax, and other such things that put you at constant debt even after you die) I have no problem with paying my 31 - 33 % income tax. I also have no problem with most sales tax because I realize the government needs money to operate.
Sure the government needs money. But there are many ways it can get that money without taking it from the people. If you look into the subject Taxes are only applicable to corporations because of the serious problem of artificial inflation of the value of items. By all means tax corporations. But applying it to people is just plain wrong.
Khor1255What they often use this money for I have issues with and I vote accordingly. But whether you think it is fair or not you are living an illusion if you think the government can just print a bunch of money that has absolutely no real backing.
No problems with that, just please point me in the direction of where I can get some money that does have backing now. Oh you can't because the Fed Reserve doesn't back it with anything of value any more since they adopted the practice of Fractional Reserve Banking. I am not living in an illusion, I am however showing you the doorway out of your room of smoke and mirrors.
Khor1255So please, continue to think of me as naive, uninformed, a follower of blind capitalism etc. I really could care less since apparently you live in a land where such real concerns do not exist.
Those concerns do exist and are very important. Ironically it would all be a lot easier without the banks changing all the wealth into debt. Then people would be able to live a lot easier and safer. The economic fluctuations of the last 100+ years would be next to non-existent in comparison, when you remove the inflationary motivations of the banks and corporations as they are at the moment.
BTW I don't consider you naive, just too trusting in a system where lying is a prerogative to get into the Political setup. I also despite appearances sometimes like and respect your viewpoints mainly because you ask questions and have thoughts that don't occur to me. Much better to have a good discussion than fight over nothing
Khor1255I don't care how I might wiggle out of paying my dues. I am not at all interested in this and in fact want a more transparent tax system so rich people can no longer wiggle out of their responsibility. I will continue to vote against taxes I feel are unfair but gladly pay those I do feel are necessary to live in - you know - a civilization.
Civilisations have been living and flourishing perfectly well without the current monopoly on peoples lives that banks and corporations now have. Unfortunately for ever benevolent ruler (whatever the system) there has always been more tyrants and oppressors, which unfortunately comes down to human nature a lot of the time.
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211560]
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Mon, 30 March 2009 20:33
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Shanga |
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This pretty much resembles the burst of the .com bubble. Has Internet dissapeared after? Is Internet worse than it has been before the bubble? No. It was a bubble created to make some people millions, some sort of self-indulged stock market dementia and it came and went as it came.
After that all they said was "well you see, Internet is a bubble in itself, we should focus instead on that's rock solid". Apparently it ain't.
All passed, the houses will go back to being affordable again, people will look twice before spending money they dont have on things they dont need and in general, normality will return. This is no Great Depression, no Spanish Plague... And who knows, maybe this will finally push electric cars into the market and air our kids will breathe will be better.
Many years ago, my first Economics teacher told us in high-school about the periodicity of crisis and booms in economy. How one drives inexorably the other. Back then my country was in total chaos, way way worse than we're now, with civil unrest each and every month, strikes, violence and generalised hunger. Average paycheck was $100-150 and it didn't buy you much except the daily bread and some basic food plus rent. So I kinda failed to understand what the heck was he talking about... Afterall all our policians were saying was that once we get past the "transition" there will be only good life ahead. Then 10-15 years passed, life got better, even good i'd say. And there was no politician or economist who would say "beware, after these good times there will come a crisis"... No...
Well, at least now I know for sure my teacher was right.
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211644]
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Tue, 31 March 2009 05:08
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Kaerar |
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That's only been the cycle since the money lenders have got their mitts on the ability to mint the money for a country though. This cyclic boom-bust scenario is totally manufactured and very simply by just moving large sums of money around or making an avenue to create money out of thin air causing huge devaluation of the currency and the subsequent wealth transfer to the alleged greeditors. You only have to look back at every major financial crisis to see who the people behind it were, because they are the ones who came out the other side with a lot more than they went into it with.
As for Al Capone, well I have nothing to hide like him, but then he also didn't comprehend that the legal definition of person is not a man. A natural person can be accepted to be a man only if the man accepts being a natural person. The main definition of person though is 'A body politic or a body corporate', kinda leaves no room for man in there...
When you make that separation you need to find out what your person is, and quite simply its the name on your birth certificate, which is evidence of the corporate entity the government create when your parent/s submitted an application for registration of your birth. You can see it is a non-living entity by the fact the certificate you receive has your name altered from the correct English Grammar, normally done in Nom de Guerre fashion with Surname first and in full capitals and the Forenames after either in full caps or in correct Grammar. It is to that entity they assign the Tax File Number (or Social Security Number) and it is that entity they claim is part of their 'society'.
Now I should explain the three buzz words above in bold:
Submit - (plus derivatives)To agree to anothers will or to leave to anothers discretion. Form of surrender. Always voluntary. Implies lawful right to fight.
Apply - (plus derivatives)To beg, plead, petition, implore, entreat or request.
Register - (plus derivatives)To sign over for safe keeping. Always voluntary. Abandons complete ownership for partial.
Those are the definitions in legal terms (remember officers for the government only use legal terms when speaking to you whether they are aware of it or not). If the definitions don't get you annoyed, then the implications might. For instance in legal terms it is assumed always that those who beg (apply) know exactly what they are begging (applying) for. How many people read the Road Transport and Operations Act (or the equivalent for your country) before applying for a drivers license? When you register your car you hand partial ownership to the government (Transport Authorities here). Why would you want to do that? When you submit ANYTHING to the government you are giving them authority over you.
All of the above are ALWAYS VOLUNTARY. You always have the right to not do anything that requires any of those actions. Its called lawful excuse in some countries and claim of right in others. In both cases if you don't claim your rights, no one else will.
The most obvious place for this is Canada where in their Bill of Rights the first line includes the term 'security of the person' in that terminology to keep it separate from men and women. It's better hidden in UK, Australia and USA (can't say for Europe as I know very little about the legislation there) yet still just as applicable.
A couple more buzz words for ya:
Statute - A legislated rule of society given the force of law.
Society - A number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal.
As you can see a statute is not law outside of the society it was created by. Do you know which society you are a part of?
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #299999]
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Wed, 22 February 2012 23:53
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Marlboro ManGet a government job.
Got one...
The thing is they are trying to reduce employment in government now, mostly through attrition bullshit. Also, with the returning veterans from overseas, this creates much more competition in the job markets. Veterans, because of President Obama's legislation, have preference over all others.
The only solution to United States current problems is indeed more war and/or population reduction. We are already seeing increase in abortion, birth control, gay marriage, male sterility, and et cetera. We may even see a large proxy war with Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300012]
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Thu, 23 February 2012 00:50
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Logisteric |
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taoMarlboro ManGet a government job.
Got one...
The thing is they are trying to reduce employment in government now, mostly through attrition bullshit. Also, with the returning veterans from overseas, this creates much more competition in the job markets. Veterans, because of President Obama's legislation, have preference over all others.
The only solution to United States current problems is indeed more war and/or population reduction. We are already seeing increase in abortion, birth control, gay marriage, male sterility, and et cetera. We may even see a large proxy war with Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.
tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed
1. just fair - they are risking asses for your american way of life
2. getting rid of your cleptocrats?
3. gay marriage, abortion, male sterility and birth control - all planned? which evil conspiration was that?
4. the fun in an american proxi-war is that not some rednecks, yanks ... whatever fight it bur 'h
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300122]
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Thu, 23 February 2012 22:11
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Population control is real as real gets you two. There is a reason these issues are always in government conferences. For an extreme version, look at the things they have done in Africa to diminish the population of native Africans.
OUR kleptocrats? The modern kleptocracy is a world wide thing as it has been for hundreds of years.
@Logisteric
You really got to break free of this nationality way of thinking. Proxy war. Controlled. Markets to invest in. Rebuilding. Reducing populations. Resources for the taking.
Answers to U.S. problem:
War
Population reduction
I really don't see any other way....sadly.
Side note:
We have the standard of living everyone wants and kills themselves working for. Follow the leader.
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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300233]
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Fri, 24 February 2012 22:50
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Quote:But I'm off to make more money to feed to the assholes....
me as well.
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