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U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211426] Sun, 29 March 2009 12:52 Go to next message
SmokinGun

 
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Are you still employed?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/us-ongoing-jobless-claims-rise/story.aspx?guid=%7B021BCA17-466C-470D-86F2-D657EED930B7%7D&dist=google#comments


The economy is getting dicier by the week here in the NW, how about where you're from?
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211452] Sun, 29 March 2009 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Get a government job. Wink


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211453] Sun, 29 March 2009 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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I got a raise, which isn't a good thing.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211475] Mon, 30 March 2009 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Here in Europe employers are taking the chance and axing paychecks with 20%.
So far I am ok, since by chance I negotiated for me and my crew a 20% raise just before the crisis hit... so at least I am back to last year's salary.

But imho someone WANTS this crisis to be here. It's like burning the woods to cover your tracks... They stole and stole and stole with both hands. Then they crashed the thing so everyone would be in such deep shite that nobody can be pointed out as guilty.

When they will be sure they're safe, the crisis will be over. Just like that.

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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211481] Mon, 30 March 2009 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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It's like burning the forest to hide the stolen car. If they can't have the power no-one will and by the time everyone realises it they will have changed their appearance and take over again. It's not a hard soap opera to follow when looking at the script.

I think one of the most funny things is that the government are providing the most replacement jobs. If you have a deeper knowledge of the Tax systems and how they can actually be applied, then you'll know that tax can only be applied to direct employees of the government, military personnel and members of the government. The normal people should not be taxed yet they are.

This is one of the most amusing things, because they claim you must do certain things (like fill in a tax return) yet the majority of people don't realise that they are talking using legal terminology. 'Must' is synonymous with 'May' in legal terms and is always an offer. You can choose to accept or not accept it. So you don't have to fill in the tax form if you don't want to. However because every resident or citizen is considered a government employee (using social security to claim this) they use this claim to attempt to force everyone to file a tax return (here with the threat of a fine if you don't). It's quite simple to avoid it though, because the first piece of writing on the Tax form is a question though written out as a statement. "TO BE FILLED IN BY TAXPAYERS ONLY". Most consider themselves to be tax payers, but how many people have read the Income Tax Act? Let alone how many people have de-constructed it with a legal dictionary. The thing is a Taxpayer is only those I pointed out above. The claimed employee status of your SS number is invalid and cannot be held against you in a court of law, hell over here the ATO is an illegal entity (admitted by High Court Judges) and has no legal power to enforce anything against you, yet unless you point this out they will have that power as you are not claiming your rights Wink


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211484] Mon, 30 March 2009 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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So ahhhh, how many frogs did you shoot today. Smile))))))


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211485] Mon, 30 March 2009 06:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Yeah, try not doing your taxes in the US. Even if they owe you you will end up hugely in debt just for not filing the stupid forms.

Do yourself a favor and try rebelling against something that makes at least a little bit of sense.

Without collecting revenue how the hell do you expect a government can operate?

Oh, I know, we don't need governments and all that....how visionary.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211491] Mon, 30 March 2009 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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LOL, you think your taxes go back into public works? How about the reality that it all goes to the Fed Reserve to pay back interest on the money leant to the Govt in the first place.

A government has the ability to mint and control the money supply directly, no need for the Fed Reserve. Without even going into the other aspects, if the govt took back control of the money supply and stopped paying interest to private banking organisations suddenly all this devaluation nonsense would be ended. If the govt needed money to create a public works project and the budget wasn't sufficient they could extend the money supply, which doesn't devalue the currency because the money is being used to pay people for work, whereas when a bank creates a loan against nothing it devalues the currency. There is a lot of detailed info on this Khor1255, just so long as you remove your rose tinted glasses long enough to read it Wink

I didn't advocate removal of government, I would have thought that putting the govt back in it's correct place would be beneficial though. The govt is there as a tool for the people not there to rule the people. As soon a govt oversteps this position (nearly all western ones have) the people should stand up and stop the corruption. However due to very clever media usage over the last 100 years, the people have been progressively trained to leave the hard stuff to the politicians and not do something about it. This has left the govt's ruled by corporate entities and banks that are acting in the best interest of their beneficiaries and not the people. Are you going to suggest we let them take the majority of the wealth into the hands of a few in an effort to control us even more?

Khor1255
Yeah, try not doing your taxes in the US. Even if they owe you you will end up hugely in debt just for not filing the stupid forms.

You have the same in the UK and Australia. I haven't filed a return in 5 years, and before that I only filed one because I didn't know that I didn't have to. Get the IRS to show you the law that states you have to mate. But I warn you make sure you are well versed in legal jargon before you start because words you know the meaning of in English mean something else in legal terms. Black's and Bouvier's Law Dictionaries are a good start, the earlier the better.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211492] Mon, 30 March 2009 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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They don't care to show you a law. They are happy to let you go on thinking you are beating them out of some money while all along the interest on you defaulted tax years piles up.

Believe me I know. I was a hardheaded know it all just like you once upon a time. When I got charged for web gear I had given back to the quartermaster (with a signed receipt) I tried to appeal this injustice. But having to support myself by working all day I did not have time or resources to go all the way to Georgia to make a stink about it.

Long story short, they attached what the Army claimed I owed them to my income taxes that year and I came up owing money. Had I listened to my father and payed first then tried to fight it (instead of being a hard head and just not filing for a few years) I would have saved myself about 15,000 dollars and a piss poor credit score that haunted me for close to twenty years.

But go right ahead and play it your way. This is exactly what they want you to do.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211493] Mon, 30 March 2009 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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I have already split myself away from the ATO. I have no need to fear anything from them. They know if they try to contact me I can and will bill them, so they don't.

There are methods available to deal with Poor Credit ratings, but that isn't for this thread. However if you had the knowledge of how to deal with that at the time then you wouldn't have suffered that problem. But hey we all live and learn.

It's not like I went hardheaded and told them to sod off. I have gone through the process and used their own rules against them. It was quite simple, I said I would be happy to send in a return if they would clarify a few issues for me. If they couldn't clarify the issues then I would have to conclude that I am not obligated to send in a return and any further attempts at coercion to force me to do something against my will that had no basis in fact would be dealt with using the appropriate channels, also that if I didn't receive a response to the letter (it went to all major offices in the ATO) that it would be taken as acceptance that there was and is no obligation to file a tax return to the ATO if they cannot provide proof to back it up.

I never got a response until a phone call where they accepted I wasn't obligated to send in a tax return. No contact since. Been 1.5 years since the call.

If you go into it with an attitude to fight, you lose. If you go in saying you'll happily comply upon proof of claim they aren't so quick to attempt shooting you down, as you have demonstrated that you are able to handle yourself.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211495] Mon, 30 March 2009 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Maybe that works in Kangaroo land (although it is more likely they will be laughing about this one all the way to the bank in a few years) but I assure it does not work that way here. Any legitimate money owed to the government (the provision for taxes is right in our legislature) the government will collect unless you happen to be lucky enough to slip through the cracks due to a bureaucratic oversight (someone didn't place paper x in outbox y).

But if there is a loophole in your government and you really want to get away with not paying taxes (I didn't want this I just thought the money for web gear I had returned was ridiculous) more power to you.

Good luck with all of that.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211502] Mon, 30 March 2009 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Khor1255, that is always the initial reaction of those who don't comprehend the legislation. "I have to pay taxes so you do too..."

Well you are wrong there. Taxes were introduced in the times of war initially, and were meant to be repealed afterwards, something they 'forgot' to do. No free man should be taxed for merely living on his/her land. During and after the World Wars the government continued the tax against its original provision to remove the taxes.

Since then it has just become business as usual for the government, yet they are still not legitimate in the slightest. They only become legitimate when you don't challenge them to provide evidence to support their claim (judicial rulings are not evidence ironically!). They have no evidence to support it (the ATO here even has lost evidence to prove it was inaugurated officially!), but the differences between 'kangaroo land' and the USA/UK/Canada/etc... are a lot less than people comprehend. You having been a member of the armed forces would indeed be a valid target for taxes, those who aren't employed by the government directly or indirectly are not eligible to be taxed. Though again you have to have a good knowledge of what they are really saying when the put offers to you.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211509] Mon, 30 March 2009 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Although I am opposed to a lot of taxes (estate tax, property tax, and other such things that put you at constant debt even after you die) I have no problem with paying my 31 - 33 % income tax. I also have no problem with most sales tax because I realize the government needs money to operate.

What they often use this money for I have issues with and I vote accordingly. But whether you think it is fair or not you are living an illusion if you think the government can just print a bunch of money that has absolutely no real backing.

So please, continue to think of me as naive, uninformed, a follower of blind capitalism etc. I really could care less since apparently you live in a land where such real concerns do not exist.

I don't care how I might wiggle out of paying my dues. I am not at all interested in this and in fact want a more transparent tax system so rich people can no longer wiggle out of their responsibility. I will continue to vote against taxes I feel are unfair but gladly pay those I do feel are necessary to live in - you know - a civilization.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211515] Mon, 30 March 2009 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Khor1255
Although I am opposed to a lot of taxes (estate tax, property tax, and other such things that put you at constant debt even after you die) I have no problem with paying my 31 - 33 % income tax. I also have no problem with most sales tax because I realize the government needs money to operate.

Sure the government needs money. But there are many ways it can get that money without taking it from the people. If you look into the subject Taxes are only applicable to corporations because of the serious problem of artificial inflation of the value of items. By all means tax corporations. But applying it to people is just plain wrong.

Khor1255
What they often use this money for I have issues with and I vote accordingly. But whether you think it is fair or not you are living an illusion if you think the government can just print a bunch of money that has absolutely no real backing.

No problems with that, just please point me in the direction of where I can get some money that does have backing now. Oh you can't because the Fed Reserve doesn't back it with anything of value any more since they adopted the practice of Fractional Reserve Banking. I am not living in an illusion, I am however showing you the doorway out of your room of smoke and mirrors.

Khor1255
So please, continue to think of me as naive, uninformed, a follower of blind capitalism etc. I really could care less since apparently you live in a land where such real concerns do not exist.

Those concerns do exist and are very important. Ironically it would all be a lot easier without the banks changing all the wealth into debt. Then people would be able to live a lot easier and safer. The economic fluctuations of the last 100+ years would be next to non-existent in comparison, when you remove the inflationary motivations of the banks and corporations as they are at the moment.

BTW I don't consider you naive, just too trusting in a system where lying is a prerogative to get into the Political setup. I also despite appearances sometimes like and respect your viewpoints mainly because you ask questions and have thoughts that don't occur to me. Much better to have a good discussion than fight over nothing Smile

Khor1255
I don't care how I might wiggle out of paying my dues. I am not at all interested in this and in fact want a more transparent tax system so rich people can no longer wiggle out of their responsibility. I will continue to vote against taxes I feel are unfair but gladly pay those I do feel are necessary to live in - you know - a civilization.

Civilisations have been living and flourishing perfectly well without the current monopoly on peoples lives that banks and corporations now have. Unfortunately for ever benevolent ruler (whatever the system) there has always been more tyrants and oppressors, which unfortunately comes down to human nature a lot of the time.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211522] Mon, 30 March 2009 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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You really think you can beat the system that 100's or even 1000's of others have tried & failed? They will get you in the end. An hour before dawn. FGS read Peter Carey's Bliss and take especial note of Honey Barbarra's spook avoidance techniques. When push comes to shove even if your list of crimes is good enough to put you away they have a final sting in the tail for you... you can be sectioned for life under the mental health act and unlike prison there is no appeal or process for release. Be very f*cking careful my friend for you are still young and foolish enough to bleeve your early sucess will protect you long term. You still have that immortal feeling deep down huh? Go out and come back in again as somebody else is what I'd do (not that I'd know anything about that of course).

Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211534] Mon, 30 March 2009 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Don't worry Will, I have backup's I can use to my advantage. I never said it was perfect, but I am a small fry compared to others in this field. They have done far more and far more openly than I have. Not too much of an issue when all party's get paid regardless (except the ATO Smile ).

Giving in through fear is what they really want, Me and thousand's of others aren't gonna do that. I see your warning, but sometimes doing what's right looks wrong until it's done. If I die over it well so be it. I ain't gonna live a lie any more.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211543] Mon, 30 March 2009 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Guess is what they are saying is that they got Al Capone for tax evasion and that guy had A LOT to hide from them... All I can say is that I wish you good luck and a happy long life (outside jail).

Wouldn't be cheaper though to move to the Antilles or another tax heaven? Smile

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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211549] Mon, 30 March 2009 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Off_Topic

 
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I think more people are affected by job loss than tax at the moment. If your tax bracket goes up you can cut a few corners, if you lose your job you can lose everything.

In Ireland at the moment the most affected are those, whom in boom times bought a second house or the B.M.W. they can't pay for now. The majority of citizens just returned to a slower more balanced life style.

In a weird way there are some of positives to this crisis, in Eire anyway, retail & service prices have gone down. A lot of corruption and white collar crimes have been exposed. Of course i'm simplifying the matter a bit and i sympathise with anyone struggling through no fault of their own, for those that were greedy, welcome to the real world.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211554] Mon, 30 March 2009 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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Feed the world... eat the rich. The real uber criminals of course get away with it. That Scottish Wanker can cope with the odd broken window in a house he has no intention of returning to no doubt.

Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211556] Mon, 30 March 2009 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Far be it from me to advocate civil disbedience , but ,something has to bring this generation of politicians that seem to be all interested in snouts in trough syndrome . Broken windows seems pretty mild . As for Freddy Shyster , tarring and feathering used to be the treatment for rascals.
(only kidding watchers of the net :whistle: )


:hmm:


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211558] Mon, 30 March 2009 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking

 
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If your tax bracket goes up you can cut a few corners


I'd love for my tax bracket to go up because I'd be making a LOT more money. This confuses a lot of people for some reason.

And as for jobs, I still have mine but my wife lost hers. IBM appears to have decided to become a Indian corporation with US management. Maybe I am being too cynical and they will outsource management jobs to India too.

And then to rub it in they offered people who were fired the "opportunity" to move to India, China, and etc. Not as a transfer employee but as a "new" employee in those country thus losing all accrued benefits and making local wages. Yay!

P.S. If my dad were still alive he'd think we were all pathetic whiners (having lived through the great depression and served in both WW2 and the Korean War). If my mom were still alive she'd bake us a yummy pie or something. Sniff. Sigh.

Sometimes you need some perspective.

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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211560] Mon, 30 March 2009 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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This pretty much resembles the burst of the .com bubble. Has Internet dissapeared after? Is Internet worse than it has been before the bubble? No. It was a bubble created to make some people millions, some sort of self-indulged stock market dementia and it came and went as it came.

After that all they said was "well you see, Internet is a bubble in itself, we should focus instead on that's rock solid". Apparently it ain't.

All passed, the houses will go back to being affordable again, people will look twice before spending money they dont have on things they dont need and in general, normality will return. This is no Great Depression, no Spanish Plague... And who knows, maybe this will finally push electric cars into the market and air our kids will breathe will be better.

Many years ago, my first Economics teacher told us in high-school about the periodicity of crisis and booms in economy. How one drives inexorably the other. Back then my country was in total chaos, way way worse than we're now, with civil unrest each and every month, strikes, violence and generalised hunger. Average paycheck was $100-150 and it didn't buy you much except the daily bread and some basic food plus rent. So I kinda failed to understand what the heck was he talking about... Afterall all our policians were saying was that once we get past the "transition" there will be only good life ahead. Then 10-15 years passed, life got better, even good i'd say. And there was no politician or economist who would say "beware, after these good times there will come a crisis"... No...

Well, at least now I know for sure my teacher was right.



Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211644] Tue, 31 March 2009 05:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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That's only been the cycle since the money lenders have got their mitts on the ability to mint the money for a country though. This cyclic boom-bust scenario is totally manufactured and very simply by just moving large sums of money around or making an avenue to create money out of thin air causing huge devaluation of the currency and the subsequent wealth transfer to the alleged greeditors. You only have to look back at every major financial crisis to see who the people behind it were, because they are the ones who came out the other side with a lot more than they went into it with.

As for Al Capone, well I have nothing to hide like him, but then he also didn't comprehend that the legal definition of person is not a man. A natural person can be accepted to be a man only if the man accepts being a natural person. The main definition of person though is 'A body politic or a body corporate', kinda leaves no room for man in there...

When you make that separation you need to find out what your person is, and quite simply its the name on your birth certificate, which is evidence of the corporate entity the government create when your parent/s submitted an application for registration of your birth. You can see it is a non-living entity by the fact the certificate you receive has your name altered from the correct English Grammar, normally done in Nom de Guerre fashion with Surname first and in full capitals and the Forenames after either in full caps or in correct Grammar. It is to that entity they assign the Tax File Number (or Social Security Number) and it is that entity they claim is part of their 'society'.

Now I should explain the three buzz words above in bold:

Submit - (plus derivatives)To agree to anothers will or to leave to anothers discretion. Form of surrender. Always voluntary. Implies lawful right to fight.

Apply - (plus derivatives)To beg, plead, petition, implore, entreat or request.

Register - (plus derivatives)To sign over for safe keeping. Always voluntary. Abandons complete ownership for partial.

Those are the definitions in legal terms (remember officers for the government only use legal terms when speaking to you whether they are aware of it or not). If the definitions don't get you annoyed, then the implications might. For instance in legal terms it is assumed always that those who beg (apply) know exactly what they are begging (applying) for. How many people read the Road Transport and Operations Act (or the equivalent for your country) before applying for a drivers license? When you register your car you hand partial ownership to the government (Transport Authorities here). Why would you want to do that? When you submit ANYTHING to the government you are giving them authority over you.

All of the above are ALWAYS VOLUNTARY. You always have the right to not do anything that requires any of those actions. Its called lawful excuse in some countries and claim of right in others. In both cases if you don't claim your rights, no one else will.

The most obvious place for this is Canada where in their Bill of Rights the first line includes the term 'security of the person' in that terminology to keep it separate from men and women. It's better hidden in UK, Australia and USA (can't say for Europe as I know very little about the legislation there) yet still just as applicable.

A couple more buzz words for ya:

Statute - A legislated rule of society given the force of law.

Society - A number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal.

As you can see a statute is not law outside of the society it was created by. Do you know which society you are a part of?


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211648] Tue, 31 March 2009 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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No. That is half my problem & probably yours; and why I have been labelled sociopath from time to time. I did fit in to the loose community of M*ld*n once but that was also of it's time. Can I go back? Is "IT" still there? Would I still fit in if I tried? It was great and only two rules, no weapons, no I-V drugs. Compare the Meerkat dot com..... simples.

& if you are in any doubt about Big Brother look at this hideous idea:

The government is backing a project to install a "communication box" in new cars to track the whereabouts of drivers anywhere in Europe, the Guardian can reveal.
Under the proposals, vehicles will emit a constant "heartbeat" revealing their location, speed and direction of travel. The EU officials behind the plan believe it will significantly reduce road accidents, congestion and carbon emissions. A consortium of manufacturers has indicated that the router device could be installed in all new cars as early as 2013.
However, privacy campaigners warned last night that a European-wide car tracking system would create a system of almost total road surveillance.

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Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211653] Tue, 31 March 2009 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Will Gates
Edit Reason: 1984 is real

He just got the wrong year...

Worse than that the 913 FEMA style camps in Europe are going to go live after the G20 meeting in London as the 132 USA FEMA camps went live last week after Obama enacted Project Endgame.

Along with that legislation regarding Rural Land grab fears was shoved through congress 2 weeks ago giving the police powers of arrest over any persons found outside city limits on unauthorised land.

It's just got a whole lot of fucked up in the last few weeks.


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #211973] Thu, 02 April 2009 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DNA from the Lowlands

 
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Just some many cts.

Guy, director and cashier/fundsmaster of the funural-fund in my town
went and took 270.000 euros and invested those into his own company.

That's called embezzelment, I believe, fraud/theft.
(grmbl - we should have his fingers in a display cabinet.)
He appeared before court and got convicted.

The company of his got sold, for 213.000.
His wife, also appeared as a person entitled to his money, he owes her.

Half of the 213.000 went to her.
The other half would have gone to the burial-fund,
were it not that legislation is a costly affair and most of it went other ways.

The burial fund still has a charge on the man for 270.000 euros + 3yrs of interest.

... we won't see our money this lifetime, I fear.

Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #212078] Fri, 03 April 2009 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SmokinGun

 
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As the saying goes- It's a recession when the other guy loses his job, and a depression when You lose yours. Months ago the crystal ball predictions of job losses were in the realm of 350k per month, reality is 650-720k jobs are being lost per month with no slow down in sight. The Empire is tumbling...


"Another nightmarish month for the US labor market pushed the unemployment rate to a new 25-year high of 8.5 percent with 663,000 jobs axed in March, official data showed Friday. The Labor Department report offered no clear signal that the US economy has hit bottom after the worst recession in decades."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jzSjXnNdPfZen3RidVsPWj8w7VQA


Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #212727] Fri, 10 April 2009 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zilpin

 
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5,56 million you say? That's too small a caliber to worry me. Has no stopping power at long.

Wait until it's at least 7,62 million, but I'm not really worried until 12,7 million.
That would be 50 caliber BMG job loss. Now THAT'S something to be scared of.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #213345] Thu, 16 April 2009 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
NYC

 
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Location: Brooklyn, N.Y. U.S.A
12.7 million is allot of people. That may really drive housing costs down (along with everything else). Guess we all will need to learn how to use shovels and operate heavy machinery to go work on Govt road projects Smile

But till then, I'll collect my weekly unemployment check, buy my cup of Starbucks and enjoy the vacation.

The funny thing is that even though I got laid off a few months ago, I feel much happier now compared to when i had a job.

Most people don't realize that as long as thy got food in the fridge, a warm bed to sleep in, and some clothing on their backs, life ain't bad.

There are lots of ways to make a living, something will turn up. Tomorrow is another day.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #213686] Mon, 20 April 2009 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zilpin

 
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Most people don't realize that as long as thy got food in the fridge, a warm bed to sleep in, and some clothing on their backs, life ain't bad.


I think everyone realizes this, comrade droog.
That's why gov'ment housing is always full, no matter how rotten conditions are.

Enjoy your vacation. I don't mind paying for it... for a little while.
Just don't expect the working population fill your caff
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #299999] Wed, 22 February 2012 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Marlboro Man
Get a government job. Wink


Got one...

The thing is they are trying to reduce employment in government now, mostly through attrition bullshit. Also, with the returning veterans from overseas, this creates much more competition in the job markets. Veterans, because of President Obama's legislation, have preference over all others.

The only solution to United States current problems is indeed more war and/or population reduction. We are already seeing increase in abortion, birth control, gay marriage, male sterility, and et cetera. We may even see a large proxy war with Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300012] Thu, 23 February 2012 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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tao
Marlboro Man
Get a government job. Wink


Got one...

The thing is they are trying to reduce employment in government now, mostly through attrition bullshit. Also, with the returning veterans from overseas, this creates much more competition in the job markets. Veterans, because of President Obama's legislation, have preference over all others.

The only solution to United States current problems is indeed more war and/or population reduction. We are already seeing increase in abortion, birth control, gay marriage, male sterility, and et cetera. We may even see a large proxy war with Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.


tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed - tao's a fed

1. just fair - they are risking asses for your american way of life
2. getting rid of your cleptocrats?
3. gay marriage, abortion, male sterility and birth control - all planned? which evil conspiration was that?
4. the fun in an american proxi-war is that not some rednecks, yanks ... whatever fight it bur 'h
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300020] Thu, 23 February 2012 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Registered:August 2003
Location: Pleasantville, NJ
Logisteric
1. just fair - they are risking asses for your american way of life
Yes they are. But that way of life does not have to be globalism. It would be better for evryone of we become more self sufficient and then can reduce our overseas presence. It the current post GAT world this is extremely difficult.
Logisteric
2. getting rid of your cleptocrats?
Yes. Please.
Logisteric
3. gay marriage, abortion, male sterility and birth control - all planned? which evil conspiration was that?
all smokescreen issues to keep voters distracted from the reality that on serious issues the 'two sides' are remarkably the same.
Logisteric
4. the fun in an american proxi-war is that not some rednecks, yanks ... whatever fight it bur 'h
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300022] Thu, 23 February 2012 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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proxy wars are fought by proxies - maybe a russian proxy against an american. nam rings a bell? in this case it didn't work it became a real war. israel vs arabs (doesn't matter which) were proxy wars.

proximus (latin) means the next - so the next to you fights your wars and you test your armament.

well just wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_war

btw i don't think globalsim got anything to do with the american way of life - globalism is more sth for your cleptocrats
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300023] Thu, 23 February 2012 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Yes, I know what a proxy war is. I have lived through the cold war after all.

This is the part I don't get:
Quote:
whatever fight it bur 'h
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300024] Thu, 23 February 2012 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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whatever [american] but (the R is one of my usual typos) ... 'h
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300122] Thu, 23 February 2012 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Population control is real as real gets you two. There is a reason these issues are always in government conferences. For an extreme version, look at the things they have done in Africa to diminish the population of native Africans.

OUR kleptocrats? The modern kleptocracy is a world wide thing as it has been for hundreds of years.

@Logisteric

You really got to break free of this nationality way of thinking. Proxy war. Controlled. Markets to invest in. Rebuilding. Reducing populations. Resources for the taking.


Answers to U.S. problem:

War
Population reduction

I really don't see any other way....sadly.


Side note:
We have the standard of living everyone wants and kills themselves working for. Follow the leader.

Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300157] Fri, 24 February 2012 01:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Location: Pleasantville, NJ
Logisteric
whatever [american] but (the R is one of my usual typos) ... 'h
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300233] Fri, 24 February 2012 22:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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But I'm off to make more money to feed to the assholes....


me as well.
Re: U.S. ongoing jobless claims rise to record 5.56 million- Are you still employed?[message #300349] Sun, 26 February 2012 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Logisteric

 
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Khor1255
Logisteric
whatever [american] but (the R is one of my usual typos) ... 'h
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