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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215358] Tue, 05 May 2009 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Native_Elder

 
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That sophisticated "debate" collapsed into name calling


and it still had the better arguments :axe:
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215361] Tue, 05 May 2009 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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Put pins in the map in the places of your choice it seems perhaps.

Orta, Omerta & Meduna are all Italian town names.

Balime is on the Pacific Isles; Togo I think.

Cambria is the Latin name for Wales or Cymru if you prefer.

Estoni is not surprisingly what Estonians call Estonia.

Alma is in France (though there are Alma's in UK & USA too).

Tixa, Drassen, Grumm & Chitzena are all made up from scratch... that's enough google (ed).

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215363] Tue, 05 May 2009 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Meduna is the surname of one of the game creators, Omerta is the Mafia code of honour...

Alma means soul in spanish.


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215378] Tue, 05 May 2009 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arulco is in the heart and in the soul of every JA2 player who in ten years never has given up the fight for freedom (and killing for cash). Arulco is everywhere.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215382] Tue, 05 May 2009 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arulco is in the heart and in the soul of every JA2 player who in ten years never has given up the fight for freedom (and killing for cash). Arulco is everywhere.



Awww bless :wave2:


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215401] Tue, 05 May 2009 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
WillyWonka

 
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Will Gates
Put pins in the map in the places of your choice it seems perhaps.

Orta, Omerta & Meduna are all Italian town names.

Balime is on the Pacific Isles; Togo I think.

Cambria is the Latin name for Wales or Cymru if you prefer.

Estoni is not surprisingly what Estonians call Estonia.

Alma is in France (though there are Alma's in UK & USA too).

Tixa, Drassen, Grumm & Chitzena are all made up from scratch... that's enough google (ed).


Actually, the Estonians call their country Eesti.

Regarding Cambria, I remember watching a movie where a town called Cambria is mentioned several times. I can
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226165] Wed, 08 July 2009 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A VERY tricky debate.
As there is desert, water, tropic and forested areas. It is very hard to find such an unique place. And as Tracona, that is partly mountain and forested, is the nearest country to Arulco, it's even harder to find Arulco on a real map. Also as Ira says, "Father Walker says she fears crossing The Pope" would mean that Arulco is a catholic country. And they Recon-Intel says that Arulco is a "Third-world country".... We're between two fires here guys.
And the people... Well, it could be possible that Arulco could been a colony for Spain and thus, leaving a lot of spanish people, ex. Pablo. Though I cannot make a sure decision, I would like to hear you guys opinions on my info. And sorry for my grammar, I'm not a native-english-speaker
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226171] Wed, 08 July 2009 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My vote goes for Bolivia.

http://www.boliviangeographic.com/images/Bolivia%20Map.gif

Silver mines anyone? Running out even...
During the early part of the 20th century, tin replaced silver as the country's most important source of wealth. A succession of governmentsl applied laissez-faire policies through the first third of the century.

CIA, misterious agency... mercenaries... hmmm...
Twelve more tumultuous years of national reform left the country bitterly divided and in 1964, a military junta overthrew President Paz Estenssoro at the outset of his third term; an event that many assert brought an end to the National Revolution and marked the beginning of nearly 20 years of military rule in Bolivia. Many scholars have looked to the CIA in explaining the November 1964 coup, but an increasing number of declassified U.S. documents refute the claim.

Put yourself in the years late eighties (when basically the first script of the series was written). Open you 80's TV and watch your 80's news. What would they be about?

Elections in 1978, 1979, and 1980 were inconclusive and marked by fraud. There were coups, counter-coups, and caretaker governments. In 1980, Gen. Luis Garc

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226174] Wed, 08 July 2009 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The royalty plot is the best "get away with murder" trick when talking about S. America in games. This way you can always claim if ambassador calls "Hey do you have a Queen? No? Thank you, good bye".

The only argument that stands is thinking of the events that took place in the eighties and what the makers would've been influnced by. For those who don't know yet, Ian Currie began working on the first sketches of JA1 in 1991, with a game called Ambush.

PS: I am prepared to trade Bolivia for any similar troubled democracy of the era, but post your history facts.

(or mail Ian and ask him wth was he thinking about, lol)

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226508] Thu, 09 July 2009 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And here I always thought that Arulco was somewhere in Florida.
Oh well.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226511] Thu, 09 July 2009 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226516] Thu, 09 July 2009 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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PS: Jagged Alliance 1 takes place on the fictional south Atlantic island of Metavira, a former nuclear testing site. Why would Arulco suddenly be moved to Europe?

South Atlantic island? edit: my bad.it really is. Should've paid more attention to the intro. >_<

as for Arulco it's next to Tracona. Everyone knows that.

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #226518] Thu, 09 July 2009 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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ROFL!

You know, one day we'll get a JA1 mod for 1.13. One day. That would be the coolest thing yet.

Get on with the SMP goddammit! There is pressing business at hand!


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #227343] Wed, 15 July 2009 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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That's really weird. My very first mod idea for Ja2 was going to be "Ragnarok' an autonomous island in the South Atlantic that is developing a breeder reactor that produces weaponised uranium.

What is weird is around this time I had never played Ja1 and never looked at a post that dealt with it. Well, maybe I did. Hearing this, I would say that is an uncanny coincidence any other way.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #235983] Mon, 26 October 2009 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I always thought that Arulco could be one of those little and chaotic Central Americans countries, with high infuence of United States and dictators. Something like Belize or El Salvador. Arulco is definitely not in Europe no matter which part or Asia. It just couldn`t be. The guy who wrote it in the first post of this topic must be crazy or he never left Australia or USA.

The reason why Prague is in the intro of JA2 is because Robert Sirotek, owner of Sir-tech is from Czech republic. Ian Currie told it in the interview for czech video game journalist. I live in Prague by the way and there are no posters of Lenin.:0)

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #235989] Mon, 26 October 2009 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well - you probably wanted to say ireland - as he said he was stirring up some mud/doing a makeshift hoax
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #236085] Tue, 27 October 2009 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arulco is a South American country that is located between Paris and Istanbul. It's apparently near Cali in Colombia, according to R.I.S. report of Tracona's history.

lol ppl, what better way of making a country that doesnt exist, than locating it in a place that doesnt exist? Sir-Tech is great fun.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #243431] Sun, 07 February 2010 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This may be my first post here but don't think of me as new to the game. I may be terrible at it, but I know it like the back of my hand. Or, perhaps more accurately, that part of your elbow that everyone knows is impossible to lick.
Just one thing to point out: If you're going to examine the ethnicities of people in the game, remember that according to the Recon Report, Deidranna has been involved in genocide as one of her many sins, which may attribute to a demographic imbalance. Perhaps there was once a thriving population of 'Yanni's', but they were mostly exterminated. Just a thought.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #244380] Tue, 16 February 2010 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just one thing to point out: If you're going to examine the ethnicities of people in the game, remember that according to the Recon Report, Deidranna has been involved in genocide as one of her many sins, which may attribute to a demographic imbalance. Perhaps there was once a thriving population of 'Yanni's', but they were mostly exterminated. Just a thought.


If all the 'native' arulco(ians?) spoke like miguel, i would personnaly help the queen put a bullet in each and every one of there heads
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #265016] Mon, 18 October 2010 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
D34THROW

 
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I just found this thread and I see that I'm not the only one to read Hamous's bio on AIM.

I think Sirtech put that in as an easter egg so we can try to locate Arulco in the world.

My post in the thread I made when this didn't pop up in search (oddly similar to the OP in this thread).

D34THROW
Before anyone leans into me for not using the search function to find a thread to post this in, I did. But every search phrase I tried for the location of Arulco turned up nothing relevant to the topic.

So I was poking through the AIM alumni files and I came across Hamous's file (can't believe he did an internship for AIM) and it said he stole the ice cream truck in Paris and was last seen heading for Istanbul in it.

Looking at Google Maps, I found that Paris and Istanbul lie roughly 3,000 kilometers apart, and the road to Istanbul passes through Germany, Austria, Hungary, Serbia, and Bulgaria. If Hamous stopped somewhere along that road, Arulco may be somewhere on the tiny spit of Romania between Bulgaria and Serbia.

Of course, this assumes that Hamous stopped along that road. If he didn't, then I'm stumped.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #265197] Wed, 20 October 2010 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think Arulco is plainly a Duckburg/Mouseton ("Entenhausen" in German, where both are the same city) or Springfield kind of phenomenon, a patchwork of stereotypical characteristics, where - in our case - every "troubled country" aspect is thrown in to make a wild mix. I would guess that one reason why the designers decided to do it that way was to prevent any accusations of discrimination or geopolitical agenda (look at the uproar the yet to be released new Medal of Honor is causing right now with it's Afghanistan scenario). And most importantly, polysemy is always fun, especially for the fans who try solving the "unsolvable puzzle" they are presented with, like in this very topic. For instance, ask a hundred people about the "meaning" behind The Matrix and see if the number of results can be kept below four figures...

So I would say any theory and arguments brought up here are "correct" in a way. I would even throw in some South Africa as well, seeing as some of the NPCs seem to originate from Netherlands (at least in the German dubbing) and there are hints to a discrimination of black people, which adds an element of Apartheid to the mix.
In the end, Arulco is just some kind of "Boiling Point Theme Park" and we should enjoy it as such. How many visitors of Las Vegas complain about the inconsistency of stumbling out of an indoor miniature of Venice and running straight into a small version of the Eiffel Tower on the way to their bed in a Sphinx mockup? Wink
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #266836] Sat, 13 November 2010 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Beschreibung Jagged Alliance 2 - Wild Fire:
In dem kleinen lateinamerikanischen
Arulco herrscht eine skrupellose
Diktatorin namens Deidranna. Ein
Staatsstreich im Jahre 1999 mit
dem Ziel das Land zu befreien und
demokratische Wahlen einzuf
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #267214] Sun, 21 November 2010 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd say, just south of Belize.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #267241] Mon, 22 November 2010 15:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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Precisely. I second that location.

Re: Where is Arulco?[message #267325] Wed, 24 November 2010 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'd say, just south of Belize.


Uhm... south of Belize doesn't really work... (considering the coast is to the west... which, if you consider Arulco to be in South or Central America most likely means that it is the Pacific Ocean).

So if you place it in Central America, it is much more likely, that it is either in/near El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica or Panama.


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #267331] Wed, 24 November 2010 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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It's a pretty big country and that is a pretty narrow isthmus. But yeah, I get our point. It is a fictitious country.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #267342] Wed, 24 November 2010 13:25 Go to previous message
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Yes, it is of course a fictional country, but nevertheless set in a certain geographical (and partly political) envoirement. By terms of geography my vote goes for Ecuador:

- Because of the high mountains (=Andes) it should be in South America, not Middle America.
- It has a more or less rectangular shape
- Judging from the speed of vehicles it would be about 160,000 km2 in size, so a rather small country.
- There should be a similar, but larger, state to the north (UB). This one would be Colombia.

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