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It is a question that has plagued Jagged Alliance fans for nearly a decade now, but tonight in this one post special we reveal the facts they didn't want you to know. We will show you the elaborate steps taken to hide the truth from the general public. Some readers may find the following post offensive, readers discretion is recommended.

Where is Arulco?


Sorry for bringing up a dead argument (see argument here http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=215158&page=0&fpart=1#Post176058 ). While i was reading those posts i realised i had always presumed JA2 was set in S.America. After sifting through the evidence i'm not too sure now, this is just a bit of fun...

In the Prof.Dat files only the following are listed as "Hispanic" Arulcan nationals:

Miguel
Carlos
Enrico
Sal


Join us after this short commercial break when we uncover the shocking details hidden in your very own Prof.dat file. When "Where is Arulco" returns...


The following are listed as "White" Arulcans:

Dimitri, Shank, Vince, Maddog, Perko, Jake, Steve, Rat, Bob, Maria, Angel, Joey, Damon, Kyle, Pablo, Gabby, Fred, Madame, Martha, Jake, Pacos, Skipper, Sergeant, Armand, Eldin, Fredo, Walter, Brewster,Derek, Oliver, Waldo, Daryl, Herve, Peter, Alberto, Carlo, Manny, Calvi, Carl.

"Black" Arulcans

Dynamo, Fatima, Gordon, Arnie, Tina, Matt.

The population of Arulco does not lend itself to being a S.American country. Another strange element of the Prof.dat is the fact Both Miguel and Steve hate Germans, why would a South American hate a European national?

Even more curious is the fact, original inhabitants, whom include "Yanni", are listed as Asian. This would suggest "Arulco is a Eurasian country.

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu293/off_topic/Eurasia-1.jpg

Further proof is the effect WW2 had on "Arulco"


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It has been widely documented that the switch in kings was due to the population's belief that the Chivaldori family was too pacifistic to deal with a world at war. The nation believed the Cordona family had the fortitude to lead them through the turmoil

At the end of the Cordona family's first ten-year term, the world was at peace again and the reigning king lost the 1948 election, removing the Cordonas from power
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To have such an effect they would have had to have been within the scope of an attacking power. It would have been 1938 when the Cordonas took over.Would a S.Amercian country have had that much fear of a European problem so early that they decided to abandon a 120 year old monarchy in favour of a more war capable leader?

That's another thing, S.America isn't exactly famous for its Royals. It's not uncommon for countries in Europe to have a ruling family who are actually from a different country. See Britain... this could explain the Hispanic influence.

The other Hispanic type characters in the game are mostly working class, Airport Deliveries, Barstaff etc... immigrants

Why would an exiled S.American King flee to Europe?

Enrico arranges to meet in Prague, why would he be in Europe? Surely if he was in exile he would go to North America.

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The map of Arulco indicates it is in the South West of a land mass with Tracona to the north, it is surrounded by sea to the west and south. If we presume Arulco is a subtropical country in Eurasia and factor in all the in game references there is a good chance it was based on a fictional country in the Balkans. That said, there are a lot of cliched references to other countries and it is a game world designed to tick all the boxes of a country in turmoil that needs saving.

http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu293/off_topic/800px-Subtropics-1.png

Blue Dot: Most likely location of Arulco given Geographical, historical, and game references.

Green Dot: Possible location

Red Dots: Imagined route Hamous took to get from Paris to Istanbul.

Edit: Yellow marks the Sub tropical areas.

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215196] Mon, 04 May 2009 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The white and black Arulcans are their because their fathers escaped the Vietnamdraft by fleeing to S-America.

Most of them together with their spouces.

Enrico was in Prag as a matter of conspiracy

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215197] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So that's why 75% of the Arulcan population are white?

Yeah, Prague, the perfect place to launch a Military coup in S.America. I was having a bit of fun with the info, nowhere is it wrote down that the game takes place in S.America so i was curious as to where the clues pointed.

There was other stuff i noticed like the fact they are not called Arulconian like most S.A. countries Peruvian, Brazilian etc... but Arulcan like in a lot of eastern european countries Georgian, Latvian, Croatian.







Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215199] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's a small country and there were a lot of Americans who didn't want to get their b**** removed by Charlie
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215202] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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did you get your evidence from bufford t. justice?

a latin king would flee to spain or portugal not make it for the gringos
your dots (blue and green) are in uncle joe's backyard (no kings and queens)

to me it's somewhere in the guatemala region

1. latin royals and working staff
2. lots of fled nazis (franz hinkel's dad was an OStuBaF in the II ss-panzer div, warden is his sister; their mom was a warden in ravensbr

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215203] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's a small country and there were a lot of Americans who didn't want to get their b**** removed by Charlie


Don't know, they are all the characters listed as Arulcan in the Prof.dat, there are a lot of Americans in game besides these characters.


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215205] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's a small country and there were a lot of Americans who didn't want to get their b**** removed by Charlie


Don't know, they are all the characters listed as Arulcan in the Prof.dat, there are a lot of Americans in game besides these characters.


9. cia
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215206] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lol, i've backed up my claims with in game references lads. Unless you can do the same you are just making presumptions based on a few Spanish sounding town names. Back it up boys, back it up :crazy:


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215212] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lol, i've backed up my claims with in game references lads. Unless you can do the same you are just making presumptions based on a few Spanish sounding town names. Back it up boys, back it up :crazy:


no problem paddy:

1. consider that south-american hobby to count oneself as white as possible
2. have a look onto your white arulcan friends - compare pinkskin (white) vs tan (latino)
3. search for that one: :uhh:

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lockie's friends contribute nothing but a terrorist to the arulcan people

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215213] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yea but the sound like bloody CanAms from the immigrant ghetto.

And of course his royal highness had partoned them for their illegal immigration and made them Arulcans.

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215214] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I support the central america premise. The landscape, town names, and general atmosphere tend to support this. I assume that the disproportionally-large percentage of non-native residents is a result of mass immigration, probably due to specific immigration laws in the country and its considerable anonymity. The fact that there are no examples of such things in the real world is irrelevant. Smile


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215215] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, BTW, if you study the map, and not assume that "up is north", there's an uncanny resemblence between Arulco and Israel and its neighbours. Of course, we don't have a king anymore. Wink


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215219] Mon, 04 May 2009 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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since when is israel a square?
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215225] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not, it's a triangle (Chitzena->Meduna->Balime).

Chitzena would be Achziv (northern resort town with bungalows), Grumm would be Haifa (Industrial), Meduna would be Tel-Aviv (upper-class), and Balime would be Eilat (Resort town). Then Cambria is Jerusalem (Central, with a large hospital and university). Alma could be any of the million training bases in the Negev. Drassen would be Amman (in Jordan), and Omerta could EASILY be any of the Palestinian cities (poor bastards, and rebels too). To get the true geographical point of view I'm trying to convey, simply assume that north is to the upper left corner of the screen. Then get a real-world map.


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215226] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course, you also have to assume that the Sinai peninsula has somehow turned into a body of water. Global warming would easily achieve this. Smile


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215227] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not, it's a triangle (Chitzena->Meduna->Balime).

Chitzena would be Achziv (northern resort town with bungalows), Grumm would be Haifa (Industrial), Meduna would be Tel-Aviv (upper-class), and Balime would be Eilat (Resort town). Then Cambria is Jerusalem (Central, with a large hospital and university). Alma could be any of the million training bases in the Negev. Drassen would be Amman (in Jordan), and Omerta could EASILY be any of the Palestinian cities (poor bastards, and rebels too). To get the true geographical point of view I'm trying to convey, simply assume that north is to the upper left corner of the screen. Then get a real-world map.


and squeeze an tear arulco till it fits into a diamond (omerta, jordania), btw what happened to the westbank?
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215230] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There you go:

http://www.bookgallery.co.il/JA2PublicPosts/misc/IsraelArulcoSmaller.gif

Click to enlarge.

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Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215234] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you had to squeeze about 20% horizontally and tear 15% vertically and of we go - inserting in nablus to retake the country :sick: ?
is it that what you wanted to say?
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215236] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't say it was identical. I said it was very reminiscent. Look at the lakes, the bay north of Grumm, even the rivers are flowing in the right directions. Not to mention the mountains between Grumm(Haifa) and Jerusalem(Cambria). San Mona could be Nablus, or maybe Jenin. Omerta is either another Palestinian city (Ramallah comes to mind) or Amman (in which case, Drassen could be something along the Dead Sea coast?)


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215237] Mon, 04 May 2009 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... San Mona could be Nablus, or maybe Jenin ...

never, not even with fatah controlling both of them.
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215240] Mon, 04 May 2009 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why not?


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215245] Mon, 04 May 2009 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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a brothel, a porn shop, a gambling hall, two booze bars, mini skirts, all women bare face - the only thing that fits are the fire-fights

we should continue that squeeze and tear until san mona is beirut
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215247] Mon, 04 May 2009 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was referring to geographical location and general attitude. If you're going to go down into details, then no place on earth is the same as Arulco. You can nitpick all you want, that map above makes it closer to Israel than any of the other places previously mentioned, which is what I've been trying to say.


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215249] Mon, 04 May 2009 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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so it's all about drowning pharao's army again
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215257] Mon, 04 May 2009 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As I wrote in the thread mentioned by O.P: I strongly believe that Arulco is in Latin America.

People like Enrico Chivaldori, Miguel Cordona, Manuel (in UB), Carlos, Angel, Maria, Pablo, Herve, places like San Mona, Meduna, Chitzena, Balime, jungles...Arulco being a Balkan country seems very improbable. Even Arulco itself sounds hispanic. The fact that the rebels are lead by hispanics also indicates that Arulco is a Latin American country.

I would say Arulco is a "white" South American Country, like Argentina or Uruguay but with lots of American immigrants aside from Spanish and Italians. There are also lots of people with German descent in Arulco, as there also is in Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Paraguay. It actually bothers me a bit that so many of the NPC:s are Americans. It would be more realistic if they had more hispanic names and looks.

Since Arulco has all kinds of climates, I would say it
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215258] Mon, 04 May 2009 23:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The argument that Arulco is somewhere in the Balkans due to the fact that Hamous last was seen heading for Istanbul isn


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215259] Mon, 04 May 2009 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ugurs been accepted from Arulcan goverment to help the US to clear Bushamo Bay Prison
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215267] Mon, 04 May 2009 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The argument that Arulco is somewhere in the Balkans due to the fact that Hamous last was seen heading for Istanbul isn
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215274] Mon, 04 May 2009 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For as long as i have played the game i always treated Arulco as S.American, as i said n the first post, this was a bit of fun.
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places like San Mona, Meduna,
Meduna is the surname of one of the game creators, Omerta is the Mafia code of honour...


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215278] Tue, 05 May 2009 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Who cares where it is , it's imaginary , so just imagine it where you like ! :naughty:


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Scotland?
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215281] Tue, 05 May 2009 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Too wet , rainstorms every hour or so Smile , too cold , no jungle gear here Very Happy


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Too wet , rainstorms every hour or so Smile , too cold , no jungle gear here Very Happy


on the other hand: scottish cats on bourbon (it's cheaper) => crazy bloodcats
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215286] Tue, 05 May 2009 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Too wet , rainstorms every hour or so


I thought You could arrange this with the ini
Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215291] Tue, 05 May 2009 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Too wet , rainstorms every hour or so

I thought You could arrange this with the ini


If only.................. Sad


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215324] Tue, 05 May 2009 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nutz. It's South or Central Americas... says so somehwere in game or on the original box/advertising puff iirc.

Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215351] Tue, 05 May 2009 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nutz. It's South or Central Americas... says so somehwere in game or on the original box/advertising puff iirc.


I don't think so, i was only messing around with the whole idea after reading those other posts. I'm pretty sure it's not mentioned anywhere, i had a look at the official site etc... couldn't see any mention of the Americas.

If you read the first post i had this to say:

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That said, there are a lot of clich


Re: Where is Arulco?[message #215354] Tue, 05 May 2009 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the real question is why is there a seemingly identical thread even though all the points have been discussed in much more deptht and sophisticiation in a previous thread. Trolling deluxe?
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the real question is why is there a seemingly identical thread even though all the points have been discussed


Not really, the Arulcan White/Hispanic ratio, WWII reference, Yanni being Asian wasn't discussed.

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in much more deptht and sophisticiation in a previous thread. Trolling deluxe?


That sophisticated "debate" collapsed into name calling, read the first post again Native and you'll find this was all a bit tongue in cheek. Trying to apply a scientific approach to a fictional country's undisclosed location is pretty futile, i even added snazzy looking maps to make my claim seem plausible Cool

Do not feed the trolls!

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