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Russian Modding Tools - FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION[message #222323] Sun, 21 June 2009 00:28 Go to next message
Khor1255

 
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POST HIJACKED BY SHANGA Smile

This is the feedback thread for Pipetz great JSD/STI editors. You can check them out here:
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=222318&page=1#Post222318

Since he joined us, you can now direct your feedback even more accurately.

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #222325] Sun, 21 June 2009 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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This looks quite different than BlackDragon's jsd editor. Does it also do things like openables and exploding .jsds like BlackDragon's was supposed to?
Does it handle rooftops or ground textures?


I've digged this up from AIM forums and the history of the development is that BlackDragon and VM first came up with their editor, which broke the deadlock on JSDs, then Pipetz came and took on their work and basically cracked open the JSDs. And the final outcome was this editor, which handled everything and made BlackDragon's obsolete.

I have barely tasted it, so if you want to make a run and do a review, please be my guest.

PS: On Off_topic's model I'll make a discussion topic about this separately so we don't crowd this one. I'll just split the topic from here.

PS: Direct your thanks first to Tiler_Durdan, who discovered these beauties and sent me to the right direction.

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #222327] Sun, 21 June 2009 00:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Very cool. I should get a few hours this weekend to do just that. I have a Ju57 that is really suffering from having a puny Cesna jsd. It's somewhat embarrassing when other people play my mod.
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #222329] Sun, 21 June 2009 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Ok done uploading all the 3 tools I've digged up. Even the small GIF<=>STI convertor is awesome. Imagine the breakthru... Anyone can edit an animated GIF. And for the more advanced, any 3D tool can export animated GIF sequences.

PS: I need to research a bit how the heck does the animated GIF "remembers" the original keyframes of the STI file. I don't remember aGIF to have keyframe setting...but maybe I am wrong.

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #222330] Sun, 21 June 2009 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Roadkill Roadkill

Modding Legend
Lord of the Bytes
SMP Modder


Registered:
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Loc: Lords of the Bytes The enthousiasm is there, no doubt about it. It's found everywhere on this forum
Right now features are added left and right. That's what people are enthousiastical about. "I made this and that possible in the game". And that's good!

Thing to keep in focus though is the main thing here: we're making a stable, mod-friendly release. Not "we're growing the game larger and making more possible" which is what's happening a lot right now. It's good as it keeps people interested, involved and enthousiastic. But at the same time the main goal of the SMP should be kept clearly in sight.

It's a good thing though to get in touch with as many modders out there as possible. They're the people that know most what they require to make good mod. They're the people we're doing this for after all.
And expanding the list of modders as wide as possible is a good thing too. The people that "only made a few maps" or "only added some weapons" are the people that could make the next UC. Make the threshold for new modders as low as possible. Lots of people made a few maps, tweaked some weapons, changed mercs. Imagine 5 map-packs, 1 weapon-mod and 10 new NPC's all by seperate people. Combined that's a big mod for people to get enthousiastic about


Dan , hope you'll give lots of input here , think it'll help .
Cheers ( just incase you didn't read this thread )


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #225515] Sat, 04 July 2009 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Anyone tried to get the Dotnet JSD editor working on Win 7? Cos I just found it not working on Win 7 x64 RC 7100. Grrr

Now I have to go back to XP just to test the damn editor!


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #225527] Sat, 04 July 2009 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What are the details of it not working? (C'mon, you're a geek yerself. Feed us some details!)
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #225529] Sat, 04 July 2009 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Did you delete those two configs as intructed? They are supposed to be regenerated on your own box.


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #225619] Sun, 05 July 2009 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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What are the details of it not working? (C'mon, you're a geek yerself. Feed us some details!)

Easy Answer, NOTHING. It fails to start and just comes up with the error failed to start or whatever default windows message it is:

Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01: jsdeditor.exe
Problem Signature 02: 1.0.0.0
Problem Signature 03: 48eaf33b
Problem Signature 04: csgl
Problem Signature 05: 1.4.1.0
Problem Signature 06: 3dc50bf5
Problem Signature 07: 162
Problem Signature 08: 0
Problem Signature 09: System.TypeInitialization
OS Version: 6.1.7100.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 3081

Any ideas?

@Shanga yep those were non-existent.


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #225637] Sun, 05 July 2009 14:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Can't you install a virtual machine with XP for this kind of work?


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #225651] Sun, 05 July 2009 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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I could but that's a lot of hassle for something I can use STIEdit for the most part. I'll worry about getting it working when I have to make tilesets.

Trying to keep things varied a bit, so doing a few guns here and a few mags there. Plus a mod in the background. It gets pretty busy!


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #226254] Wed, 08 July 2009 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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English translation of the help file for .NET STI-editor by Pipetz added.

PS: Pipetz contacted me and let me know he's working on making an english version of his JSD editor too.


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #226277] Wed, 08 July 2009 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pipetz let me know that by placing a file called help.htm in root folder of the editor it will show english help within program. I've added a link to a Google Translate version of original the Russian help.


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227141] Tue, 14 July 2009 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pipetz

 
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More exactly each JSD cube (as we used to think of them) is made out of a 5x5x5 blocks grid.


5x5x4. There are four levels only. Smile



Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227146] Tue, 14 July 2009 18:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pipetz

 
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...
Problem Signature 04: csgl
...
Any ideas?


Unfortunately, I don't fix it, apparently CsGL dont support Windows 7 x64.
i386 platform required. For more information see http://csgl.sourceforge.net/.
We need to find CsGL for x64. Smile

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227149] Tue, 14 July 2009 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Oh man, that's two editors down in one day cos I decided to keep up to date lol!

Thanks for checking pipetz Smile


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227156] Tue, 14 July 2009 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kaerar

...
Problem Signature 04: csgl
...
Any ideas?


Unfortunately, I don't fix it, apparently CsGL dont support Windows 7 x64.
i386 platform required. For more information see http://csgl.sourceforge.net/.
We need to find CsGL for x64. Smile

You can compile the editor for the x86 platform instead of 'any cpu'. This forces the program to run in WOW64 mode and allows utilization of x86 libraries.

I just ran
corflags.exe JsdEditor.exe /32BIT+

to change the platform flag accordingly which enabled me to run the editor on Win7 x64.
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227175] Tue, 14 July 2009 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Shanga
More exactly each JSD cube (as we used to think of them) is made out of a 5x5x5 blocks grid.


5x5x4. There are four levels only. Smile



Corrected and welcome to the Pit. You made quite few fans here, trust me Smile


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227182] Tue, 14 July 2009 20:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pipetz

 
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You can compile the editor for the x86 platform instead of 'any cpu'. This forces the program to run in WOW64 mode and allows utilization of x86 libraries.

I just ran
corflags.exe JsdEditor.exe /32BIT+

to change the platform flag accordingly which enabled me to run the editor on Win7 x64.


Oh, Really! I will do that. Thank you!

Shanga

I've digged this up from AIM forums and the history of the development is that BlackDragon and VM first came up with their editor, which broke the deadlock on JSDs, then Pipetz came and took on their work and basically cracked open the JSDs. And the final outcome was this editor, which handled everything and made BlackDragon's obsolete.


Many man from http://forum.ja2.su help me in the development.
Strax5, MAn (ideas, testing), bugmonster, VM, Терапевт (many pieces of good advice and information),
Legend-Zar XaplYch, jarni, Ushwood (translate), zed (administrate), Uncle Borya (countenance).
Thanks a lot.





Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227191] Tue, 14 July 2009 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Терапевт, is that Terapevt? The guy who did all that cool work years ago?


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227331] Wed, 15 July 2009 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Терапевт, is that Terapevt? The guy who did all that cool work years ago?

I don't know. He told that he don't register on Bear's Pit.
He is modding JA2 many years, 6 or more.

I compile the editor for the x86 platform.
JsdEditor.exe depend on csgl.dll
csgl.dll depend on csgl.native.dll
csgl.native.dll is unmanaged assembly.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/f262e4f4-725e-439e-b36b-ea4b6d0bbefa/JSDEditor_x86
I don't test it on x64. My PC is x86.

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227452] Thu, 16 July 2009 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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I know this is maybe a stupid question but how do I alter the .config file to make my version work in English?
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227454] Thu, 16 July 2009 15:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Open JsdEditor.exe.config, find the line that reads

and replace "ru" with "en".
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227518] Fri, 17 July 2009 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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@khor - i've already uploaded a new version, set with english as default. Unless you need 64bit one.


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227528] Fri, 17 July 2009 03:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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I was half asleep when I asked that but I wanted to know how to even edit a .config file? I'm assuming you go the start/run method (aka dos?). It might come in handy to know how to do this in the future.

@Shanga

Thanks man.
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227540] Fri, 17 July 2009 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@Khor: You can probably open that file in a text editor (notepad, etc.)
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227620] Fri, 17 July 2009 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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I can't get either to work. I must renew my membership in noob school. First I forget to see if a .config file opens in notepad now whatevr I am doing (or not doing) here. This is the message that comes up.

The application failed to initialise properly (0xc0000135).
Click on OK to terminate blah blah blah.

Helpy?
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227623] Fri, 17 July 2009 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gmonk

 
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You need to install the .NET framework. Hold on a sec, I'll grab a link.

Here ya go.

It's a small installation and it's required by any .NET programs you run. Like some of the Russian modding tools.

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227625] Fri, 17 July 2009 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Can someone compile one that will work in the WOW3264 node of us 64bitters?

Hmmm 64 bitters....


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227628] Fri, 17 July 2009 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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This small installation sure is taking a long time to download. Not to sound picky but you are sure this is a good version of the .net framework?
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227630] Fri, 17 July 2009 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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.net framework has a small install file but then links to the MS servers to download the other 300ish mb...

It's a PITA because of that. I have the full offline installers here just cos I install them on clients computers all the time Sad


Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227632] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Cool, I was hoping it didn't come with a virus scan virus embedded. Those are really nasty.

Good to hear it is typical of the install. Thanx.
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227633] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gmonk

 
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Sorry, I shoulda warned you that it might take a while. :oops:

Apologies for any undue stress. Smile
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227634] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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No problem and thanks a lot.

The installation of the dot net framework is now telling me I must install windows installer 3.1. Is this a common and free utility?
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227635] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gmonk

 
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Yes, it's common, free and it's direct from MS.

Is it asking you to click to install, or telling you that you have to install it first?

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227638] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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Telling me I have to install it first and my only option is to exit setup.

Guess it's time to mine the microsoft shitheap err website.
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227639] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gmonk

 
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lol!

It should be an easy update.

Here's a link to the page.

Look for the download buttons about halfway down the page. Choose the one for the installer (bottom button).

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227652] Fri, 17 July 2009 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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I did it and it looks like both editors are working. Thank you for your patience.
Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227918] Sun, 19 July 2009 18:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Help file for sti-editor (help.htm) contains description of installation .net framework with all required links. Read help, pls. )

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Re: Russian Modding Tools - best of[message #227921] Sun, 19 July 2009 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
pipetz

 
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to Realist: Did you try to run x86-jsd-editor on Win 7 x64?


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