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Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #227980] Mon, 20 July 2009 03:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Great, the direct link worked fine.


Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #227981] Mon, 20 July 2009 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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[EDIT: ---oops wrong thread---]


Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228085] Mon, 20 July 2009 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Agnostik

 
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Kordanor

Anyways, you can find the new version here:
http://ndnw.piranho.de/JA2/relationships.html


Gumpy doesn't hate Buns, it's the other way around.
Thor doesn't hate Spider, he learns to like her.
Carlos hates Iggy.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 July 2009 16:13] by Moderator

Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228148] Mon, 20 July 2009 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kordanor

 
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Thanks for pointing out these issues.
The Thing with gumpy was a one sided error, Buns already hate him, but there was an error at gumpy - fixed
Thor and Spider...well, I got the information from http://www.jaggedalliance.de/ja2/soldner/ginfo.shtml
Shame on them Very Happy
The Problem with fixing friendships is that it's extremely hard as due to the complicated structure almost everything needs to be realigned. While it was not a worst case scenario I still had to add a quite damn long line which is the second one crossing another at all. Surprisingly its Dr. Trammel...ermm...Meltdown again (just realized yesterday she isn't a doc at all, somehow my memory of this bull dyke conveyed to her ^^). So why can't Malice just don't like her anymore, wouldn't have the problem then. Wink

Carlos and Iggy I messed up at some point. Fixed though.

In addition I also realized that the swf file is not only too wide for lots of screens but even to high for a normal 1680X1050 screen if you use anything else but Opera. So I took a further look into it and managed to get a auto-resized plugin. Don't ask me about the code, I just threw it together till it did what it should. Should be much more user friendly now.

http://ndnw.piranho.de/JA2/relationships.html

Any further feedback is welcome.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228159] Mon, 20 July 2009 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Agnostik

 
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Everything else seems fine, although I'm not sure about Vince liking Cliff, ProEdit says nothing about that, so it's probably wrong. I can't be absolutely sure though.

Great job by the way! Smile

EDIT: Found some more, based on ProEdit data:

Conrad likes Iggy (they're conveniently placed next to each other on your chart Smile),
Sidney doesn't hate Iggy (not in ProEdit at least)

[Updated on: Mon, 20 July 2009 22:34] by Moderator

Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228167] Mon, 20 July 2009 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kordanor

 
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Checked the soundfiles but there isnt any file for Vince's Friends dieing. Though I found some pages where it's stated they are friends I will delete this as long as it's not proven otherwise.
Now you can feel guilty for taking Cliffs one and only (imaginary) friend. ^^

I think I connected Conrad and Iggy once and deleted the connection later cause it was not on the page I used for this. Could also find speech files for that.

You seem also to be right about Sidney.

Will fix these things asap.

Should have used proedit for everything initially. ^^

EDIT: Alright, fixed. Thanks again!

[Updated on: Mon, 20 July 2009 23:19] by Moderator

Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228200] Tue, 21 July 2009 02:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Cliff has no friends! True if you check Proedit Very Happy

Iggy:
Learn to like - Ivan
Learn to hate - Fidel (or is that fiddle...)

Conrad:
Buddie - Iggy
Learn to like - Stephen (Rothman?)
Learn to hate - Larry (sober)

Carlos:
Buddie - Miguel
Buddie - Dimitri
Learn to like - Ira
Hated - Iggy

Just for checks Very Happy


Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228231] Tue, 21 July 2009 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kordanor

 
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Yep, seems alright so far now.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #228254] Tue, 21 July 2009 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
profound

 
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http://vdsg.b4net.lt/JA2/aye.png
Aye!

We all knew that, but graphically it sure looks oddly funny.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #230724] Mon, 10 August 2009 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
worg

 
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This is a nice "at a glance" tool for relationships. Thanks for the work you did on it. It's already bookmarked and being used as one of my regular JA2 references.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #234180] Fri, 02 October 2009 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rednight

 
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1) Put in same sector: Biff & Flo
but do not put in the same sector/campaign area with them the following:
(Biff-haters): Bull, Danny, Haywire, Sidney, Numb, Nails.
(Flo-haters): Fidel, Gus.
(Mega-haters-of-both-Biff-and-Flo):Meltdown, Razor.
Keep away from Bubba: Biff, Blood, Danny, Ice, Magic, Dynamo.
Keep away from Numb: Biff, Conrad, Static, Stephen, Wolf, Len, Reaper, Steroid.
Keep away from Buns: Devin, Red, Spider.


2) Do not put in the same sector/campaign area:
AIM & AIM: Lynx & Buzz, Blood & Cliff, Static & Stephen, Buns & Reaper, Buns & Magic, Hitman & Raider, Buns & Fox, Danny & Steroid, Fox & Steroid, Stephen & Nails, Trevor & Fidel.
AIM & MERC: Vicki & Gasket,Buns & Gumpy, Flo & Meltdown, Flo& Fox, Fox & Haywire.
NPC & AIM: Dynamo & Barry.

3) Put in the same sector/campaign area:
AIM & AIM: Wolf & Fox, Sidney & Scope, Spider & Static, Nails & Bull, Hitman OR Raider & Raven, Stephen & Meltdown.
NPC & NPC: Dynamo & Shank.

4) Groups to be put together:
A) Fidel, Haywire & Razor.
B) Miguel, Carlos, Dmitri, Ira (and Shadow, if possible - for Miguel).
C) Igor, Ivan, Grunty (and Iggy, if possible).
D) Ice, Magic & Blood.
E) Wolf, Fox, Lynx, Ice, Grizzly (because Wolf -> Lynx -> Ice -> Grizzly -> Wolf and Fox -> Wolf and Fox -> Grizzly).
F) Q, Len, Vicki.
G) Vicki, Spider, Raven.
H) Thor, Spider, Static.

Keep away from group A: Sidney, Static, group C (if group C includes Iggy).
Keep away from group B: Malice (if group B includes Ira), group C (if group C includes Iggy).
Keep away from group C: Steroid, Gasket, Bubba, group B (if group C includes Iggy).
Keep away from group F: Grizzly (if group F includes the mercenary usually refered to as Q ).

Other things to keep in mind:
1) Cougar and Gus like Len.
2) Reaper and Grizzly (just as Miguel as well) like Shadow.
3) Barry and Devin like Red.
4) Gus -> Scully -> Trevor -> Thor -> Ice.
5) Maddog, Malice and Nails like Fox .
6) MD likes Danny.
7) Flo likes Lynx .
Cool Steroid -> Grizzly -> Bull.
Bubba -> Bull.
Bubba -> Buzz
9)Buns -> Sidney -> Stephen.
Conrad -> Stephen.
10) Shank likes Ivan.
11) Conrad likes Iggy.
12) Cougar likes Wolf.
13) Haywire likes Numb.
14) Hitman likes Grunty.
15) Malice likes Meltdown.
16) Malice likes Spider.
17) Reaper likes Blood.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #279675] Wed, 11 May 2011 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
worg

 
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Kordanor


http://ndnw.piranho.de/JA2/relationships.html

Any further feedback is welcome.


I am sad. This link is dead like Buzz and Lynx's love.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #279683] Wed, 11 May 2011 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gorro der GrĂ¼ne

 
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click the merc's face for more information

it is German.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #279700] Wed, 11 May 2011 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kordanor

 
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Check out http://ndnw.net/JA2/relationships.html Smile
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #279753] Wed, 11 May 2011 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RichieRich80

 
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Thanks Kordanor, It's even better than I remembered! Smile
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #279762] Thu, 12 May 2011 01:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
worg

 
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Awesome, Kordanor, thank you.

I really appreciate all the work you put into this.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280094] Wed, 18 May 2011 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HeroForHire

 
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Ok I`ve seen more than 1 guy mention this now. Can anyone confirm that Reaper actually likes Blood and Shadow? I read someone who stated that Reaper actually gave a mourning speech when Blood died. What`s up with that?

[Updated on: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:14] by Moderator

Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280098] Wed, 18 May 2011 06:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Reaper has a mourning speach for both Blood and Shadow. I am 99% sure that is all though and he has no morale effect from either.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280107] Wed, 18 May 2011 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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Reaper likes Shadow, and learn to like Blood.
He hates nobody.
No one likes Reaper.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280108] Wed, 18 May 2011 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kordanor

 
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Sorry if the flash thingy has an error, but unfortunately I can't fix these anymore.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280109] Wed, 18 May 2011 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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taoteching
Reaper has a mourning speach for both Blood and Shadow. I am 99% sure that is all though and he has no morale effect from either.


reaper
R015
What's it like, Shadow? Where are you? What does it feel like? Well, I'm coming, buddy. Wherever you are, I'll see you there.

R016
---

R017
Blood, you had a touch of the darkness inside of you. Coulda brought that out, man. We'da been great together. Meet you on the other side.


R015/16 are liked persons R017 is learn to like

Blue_Fox
Reaper likes Shadow, and learn to like Blood.
He hates nobody.
No one likes Reaper.


reaper
R031
Dumb slobs like Numb who fail to understand the spirituality of death shouldn't be allowed the privilege of killing.


oOOps, R031 is learn to hate
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280209] Thu, 19 May 2011 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PasHancock

 
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It is possible to hire Devin Surprised

How?
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280210] Thu, 19 May 2011 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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the usual way - just talk to him
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280337] Sat, 21 May 2011 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
PasHancock

 
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doesent help
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280338] Sat, 21 May 2011 00:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JMich

 
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I think that you had to have liberated a few cities before he is willing to join you, or it may need some game progress. It is possible to hire him by talking to him, but not at once. On the other hand, hiring him means losing an explosives vendor, debatable which is better.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #280356] Sat, 21 May 2011 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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I was able to hire him after having liberated two cities (with the respective game progress). If you need more riflemen or someone with high explosives skill you should hire him because you usually would not need that many additional explosives on top of what BR is selling.
Re: Merc Relationships? (non romance)[message #281055] Sat, 28 May 2011 13:17 Go to previous message
onewithdeath

 
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JMich
I think that you had to have liberated a few cities before he is willing to join you, or it may need some game progress. It is possible to hire him by talking to him, but not at once. On the other hand, hiring him means losing an explosives vendor, debatable which is better.


No, that's not true. If he's already a member of your team, you simply give him money, let's say $10. Not the usual way, that would mean you simply pass him the money, so it gets into his inventory. Before giving him the $10, you do a right click on the mouse, and only then give him the money. This reveals his explosives collection, and then you can trade.
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