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Re: Demise of Man[message #242287] Wed, 20 January 2010 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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two of my gangs were marching to neighbouring sector, never, ever reaching there.


sounds like a very old bug

If AIM/MERC -> dismiss
If RPC/IMP -> dismiss & forget or reload
Re: Demise of Man[message #242295] Thu, 21 January 2010 02:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Burzmali

 
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er... both are bunches of aliens, nothing to do with aim/merc - at least half of them i hatched myself :yikes:

btw - anybody seen something like this [url=[img]http://www.upload.ee/image/355622/SCREEN000.jpg[/img]]message[/url]
Re: Demise of Man[message #242616] Wed, 27 January 2010 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just started playing DOM yesterday, took all of Drassen, have a couple of energy weapons already, love the energy beam graphics (instead of the flying dot), this is what I was talking about here, I really like the new anims and recommend everyone check it out.


A couple of questions for Callahan:

1. Looks like you did some testing, the Word doc says you can run DOM on 1.13 (meaning use NIV LBE gear), is that true? I am currently playing DOM on top of JA2 Gold (meaning OIV). How would DOM work with NIV? If I follow the install instructions the DEMISE Items.xml would overwrite / take precedence over Data-1.13?

2. Are the DOM people still working on updates / new versions? Your latest update on this forum is from 12/4/2009.

3. Is it possible to get the source code for DOM? Ideally a volunteer could integrate it into SVN (I know this would be a lot of work), maybe just some features could be put into SVN e.g. laser rays if Strogg is too hard.

4. I scanned over the Word doc (both German and English) and couldn't figure out how to put repair point (in the game it is a Dollar value) into the replicator - other than having the replicator "eat" items I don't want. Using the item eat method I was successfully able to replicate sun goggles, flash hiders, and small scopes, so I (kind of) know how the replicator works, just haven't figured out how to increase the Dollar amount of the replicator by repairing like the Word doc describes it. Would you set a merc to "repair" the replicator?


Question to the forum moderator:

Do you guys want to make a DOM dedicated forum? Of course I know of this one, but US people may not be able to read it and may have their own questions or observations.

There may be also a chance that some people may want to develop mods on top of DOM as DOM has fairly unique features (e.g. laser rays).


Game play observations:

- air raids are not that bad, just run around a lot and you can avoid them. I wasn't able to avoid the bombing run (many, many small explosions) by staying inside a building, the walls get blown up and the explosion carries to the inside a little giving me yellow health damage (I survived though, mostly).

- armor is much more protective than in other games and doesn't seem to degrade. For example I got hit 20+ times and did not take any (yellow) health damage (just a little blue breath) and my armor was still 100% (even the ceramic plate was 100%). This is a little bit of a problem as I can spray 20 bullets of ball ammo into an enemy with a coated flak jacket and may make *no* damage (other than breath). The same is true for my guys in return though.

- I haven't found a short key to move equipment within a sector (used to be Shift+M in 1.13 I believe), this means equipment is laying on the gound everywhere and gets damaged by air strikes.

- cover works much better (similar to WF, maybe even a little better), a little bit of gras makes a big difference

- enemy drop is mostly pistols in the beginning (my game progress is 3), however you get some cool high tech conventional pistols you would only get at higher game progress in 1.13. I also got some energy pistols, really neat stuff, you should play it.

- Alt+LMB selling seems to work, had $2k left after hiring starting mercs, now I have $9k (and some money in the replicator)

- in case this was not clear, most gear (if not all) you don't need to repair, you just combine two items to get a 100% one

- It looks like AIM starting gear is randomized. First time I started my IMP had random stats, I started over using the WF settings in the INI. The second time the same people had different gear, and you can see it on AIM, really neat.

- MERC available day one

- I am playing on Expert (one below Insane), BR Awesome (highest), Air Raids on, and Sci Fi on. I got 4 enemies in Omerta. Steroid beat the first guy dead (coming around the corner of the building to the SW), the other's were dual wield shot with cold ammo by Meltdown, I didn't get an air raid in Omerta.

- Fatima script doesn't seem to stop and look if your team is catching up, she just keeps walking, not sure if this is standard in vanilla

- Got my first random encounter in the sector north of Drassen, 16 dudes during the day, I set my team of 7 (incl. Manuel and Ira) prone in the tree grove to the very NW (top left). My IMP had a lighting gun but I only used pistols. Killed all of the enemies pretty easy, noone got hurt. I got an air raid here, but just ran up and down a lot until it was over, was even able to evade the exploding bombs no problem.

- Next was Drassen airport at night, got an air raid I couldn't escape from, had to restart the sector. Second try I went all the way down, all the way to the right, and up to the building outside the fence (hoped I could wait out the air raid in there). On my way around the sector edge I killed a couple guys but didn't trigger the air raid. Once I was on the roof of the building outside the fence it was easy going. In the end I got no air raid and no one got hurt.

- I started Drassen central at night on the NE (top right) side of the fence, immediately got 3-4 enemies in close proximity, walked up to them, head shot from 1 tile away with HP/Glaser. Then I just shot them one by one coming toward me, no air raid, no one got hurt.

- I had to restart Drassen mine due to air raid. The second attempt I was rushing toward the mine building, really forced my way *through* a bunch of guys coming toward me (I am usually not that pushy, but wanted shelter against a possible air raid). Once I was on top of the mine building it was all over for the enemy, no air raid, no one got hurt.

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Re: Demise of Man[message #242873] Sat, 30 January 2010 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A couple of questions for Callahan:

1. Looks like you did some testing, the Word doc says you can run DOM on 1.13 (meaning use NIV LBE gear), is that true? I am currently playing DOM on top of JA2 Gold (meaning OIV). How would DOM work with NIV? If I follow the install instructions the DEMISE Items.xml would overwrite / take precedence over Data-1.13?

2. Are the DOM people still working on updates / new versions? Your latest update on this forum is from 12/4/2009.

3. Is it possible to get the source code for DOM? Ideally a volunteer could integrate it into SVN (I know this would be a lot of work), maybe just some features could be put into SVN e.g. laser rays if Strogg is too hard.

4. I scanned over the Word doc (both German and English) and couldn't figure out how to put repair point (in the game it is a Dollar value) into the replicator - other than having the replicator "eat" items I don't want. Using the item eat method I was successfully able to replicate sun goggles, flash hiders, and small scopes, so I (kind of) know how the replicator works, just haven't figured out how to increase the Dollar amount of the replicator by repairing like the Word doc describes it. Would you set a merc to "repair" the replicator?




1. Newer 1.13 appears to be incompatible. 3 years of DOM development caused 1.13 to drift too far away.

2. Currently, a small successor is being developed. The player will lead an invasion on Stroggos.
As the "team" is actually one lonely, improfessional programmer - this will take its time.
Some minor updates will be included in DOM, as using the IMP mins for min random attributes, so you can set how low they can get.

3. Scorpion already negotiated the release of the code, once it is all done.

4. Repair the Replicator - it will accumulate repair points.

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Re: Demise of Man[message #242877] Sat, 30 January 2010 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Callahan for your quick and detailed reply, let me know if I can help with anything (I can read and write German in case it is useful).


Re: Demise of Man[message #243665] Wed, 10 February 2010 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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only asking here... more weapons from game tfd are in planing ? thx
Re: Demise of Man[message #243736] Wed, 10 February 2010 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MORE arms? I'm not sure I've picked up examples of everything but last I checked I had 170 different firearms in my dump sector
Re: Demise of Man[message #243743] Wed, 10 February 2010 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this are from game: terror from the deep- dart gun sidearm,jet harpoon rifle & heway ga cannon all these guns are power by gas ... for armor .. i really like to see in some mod: hev suit mark 4,pcv suit[personal combat vest]+ black messa security armor ... motion sensor mine from x-com is cool too ...

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Re: Demise of Man[message #243744] Wed, 10 February 2010 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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can not fix your SVD with SVDS or SV-98


I combine two SVDS all the time, have four now, three on 100%, the fourth is less than 30%, game progress is 38. But you can't combine a SVD with a SVDS, they have to be the *same* gun.


Quote:
smartgun


I haven't quite figured out what exactly the smartgun does, but it does *a lot*, however it is auto fire only (but when it hits, it is usually an instal kill).

Avenger Cannon with incindiary rounds - oh yeah!


Quote:
random IMPs


Yah, I tried this out a couple times, it needs a minimum or some synergy between stats, totally random is likely to be not that usable. By the way, you can turn this off, you probably already know. (I turned it off and used WF settings in the INI).


Re: Demise of Man[message #243745] Wed, 10 February 2010 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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try overload your imp with heway items& bebin travel over map ....
Re: Demise of Man[message #243841] Thu, 11 February 2010 02:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What you can do in DoM: take Shank. Strength 32. Give him ghillie hood, suit and leggings -> weight 30%. Now add 4 EOD helmets to hood, 4 EOD vests to suit, 4 EOD pants. Weight is still 30% but Armor is up to 514. Give him smartgun and some minutiae: NVG mark IV, sun goggles, first aid, regen booster. Now weight is 101%, so you could train him just a little but I'd think he can singlehandedly conquer Alma or Grumm even without training.
Re: Demise of Man[message #243848] Thu, 11 February 2010 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Skanker The Conqueror! This Is ARULCO!
Re: Demise of Man[message #243880] Thu, 11 February 2010 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@Burzmali, ha, ha, you are using Armor McGyvering, I turned this off, there are a few things that are a little bit too much - even for me (I know, hard to believe). Smile

For example I find it a little too much being able to "teleport" items into your hand during combat, I mean moving items between sectors outside of combat I can get used to, but during a fire exchange, wow...

I am already happy with the energy weapons as is, some of them are just more advanced versions of existing guns really, like a grenade launcher shooting napalm - multiple times a round, other mods can do it once a round, so not too much of a stretch.

By the way the smartgun is not that great if your CTH is zero, with the Avenger Cannon I can still shoot the tile and hurt the guy, while the smartgun just goes "fizz".


Re: Demise of Man[message #243897] Thu, 11 February 2010 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello !

There is finally a new DoM exe addressing some of the complaints here.
Changes have been copy-pasted from the next version into DoM and have not been tested there, however.
If something does not work, tell it here and it will most likely be fixed.

Changes are:
IMP attributes are now used as the minimum random attributes, so you cannot get lower than this.

Armour degrade with weak ammo types/calibers is now more accurate as it is internally counted in thousands - not hundreds. Can still take a time to bite through EOD with 9mm Glaser.

Nails will not complain now if his current vest is not his bikie vest.

You can give AND apply items to mercs. If you use the alternate "give" with right click and then left click the item is applied. Useful for Regen boosters and Health packs on dying mercs.

Here you can download it.
http://kermi.pp.fi/JA_2/Mods_Vanilla/Demise_of_Man/ Latest files as of Dec 2013 (current at May 2015) - Ed

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Re: Demise of Man[message #243901] Thu, 11 February 2010 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hi callahan: here is link to black messa security armor ... http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Mesa_Security_Force

Re: Demise of Man[message #243903] Thu, 11 February 2010 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you could supply some images and strength data for the armour you want, I could create them eventually.

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Re: Demise of Man[message #243905] Thu, 11 February 2010 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can give AND apply items to mercs. If you use the alternate "give" with right click and then left click the item is applied. Usefull for Regen boosters and Healthpacks on dying mercs.

Here you can download it.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6M7FND9N


This
Yet again another huge feature IMHO.

@callahan

cool to see you around
Re: Demise of Man[message #243906] Thu, 11 February 2010 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Callahan, awesome mod by the way, great work!! Very Happy

Since you guys are fixing stuff, did you know that:
- air strikes happen underground e.g. Tixa sub level, and that
- (most of the time) you can switch sectors at the beginning of an airstrike to divert it to another sector?


Re: Demise of Man[message #243907] Thu, 11 February 2010 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9633/100pxbarneymodelhd.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6653/securityguardscomplete.th.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6653/securityguardscomplete.jpg

this armor are kevlar helmet& kevlar vest ...

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7226/pcvr.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8484/250pxpcvw.jpg

here is images for pcv suit

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Powered_Combat_Vest

here is some data info

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244013] Fri, 12 February 2010 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK the images seem to be usable.
What values do you wish the armour to have ( protection/percentdegade)

Do you want the PCV to be standard armour or shield like protection.
First has weak spots, while second does deflect ALL kinetic damage like the deflector shields in DoM, until it is completely depleted.
With second, the energy deflection value is measured in KEUs (Kinetic Energy Units) wich are similar to the max armour defeat value of a bullet.

Last, I have to mention that it will take time until I will be free to add them. But you can do them yourself easily if you do not want to wait.
Creating new Items by editing XML and STI

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244018] Fri, 12 February 2010 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did the raid begin in Tixa underground or did you leave sector during the raid ?


Those two are not related.

I went downstairs in Tixa and got a quite long air raid (the number of attacks seems to be random). In the Tixa basement I got several fly by shootings and two mustard gas drops. The fly bys are no problem and I was able to handle the mustard gas by switching gas masks until the gas went away.

However I had to reload and try a couple times as I initially got a bomb drop (in the basement), and there is no way to run away from it underground, you get a total party kill (TPK).

In the Tixa basement I was *not* able to "divert" the air attack (unfortunately). When I switched to the strategic map during the air raid in the Tixa basement, I was not able to get back into the tactical map as the button on the strategic map was greyed out. I had to quit the game via Alt+X as nothing else was accessible, no options menu, nothing.


Callahan
If you "divert" a raid - did you go from Town to Town or did this work even with other sectors ?


I was able to divert Balime air raids by selecting a merc in San Mona (then of course San Mona got bombed to sh*t).

I believe I was also able to divert from the sector where you buy the Hummer (not a city) to San Mona as well, but I am not sure now as I opted not to do this as it felt like cheating (so of course the dude selling me the hummer is dead now *after* I gave him the money - of course).

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244027] Fri, 12 February 2010 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry for the double post, just tested the below.

Running out of ammo during combat, reload cost too high in DOM? No problem, do the following:

1. drop empty gun in a sector which has no combat
2. select a merc not in combat
3. pick up empty gun from sector
4. reload gun with merc not in combat
5. drop gun in sector
6. pick up gun with merc who ran out of ammo

Presto! Your merc just got his gun reloaded and all he had to pay was the ready cost. Very Happy


I believe you can fix this by making mercs who are in combat not be able to access sector inventory of *any* sector, not just the one they are currently in. You guys are half way there already.


Re: Demise of Man[message #244050] Fri, 12 February 2010 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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im chosing shield like protection.. it is in basic kevlar armor & have build in shield generator,powered by special bateries or recharging terminals ....

[URL=http://img10.imageshack.us/i/batteryhl1.jpg/][IMG]http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1107/batteryhl1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

image for battery

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9720/hevchargerhl.png

recharging terminal

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244103] Sat, 13 February 2010 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Callahan

 
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Sorry for the double post, just tested the below.

Running out of ammo during combat, reload cost too high in DOM? No problem, do the following:

1. drop empty gun in a sector which has no combat
2. select a merc not in combat
3. pick up empty gun from sector
4. reload gun with merc not in combat
5. drop gun in sector
6. pick up gun with merc who ran out of ammo

Presto! Your merc just got his gun reloaded and all he had to pay was the ready cost. Very Happy


I believe you can fix this by making mercs who are in combat not be able to access sector inventory of *any* sector, not just the one they are currently in. You guys are half way there already.


That was intentionally designed that way. You may hit ALT + D to get new APs. That would have the same result. So it does not really matter for reloading that way.
You may get new stuff from other sites during combat that way too, but it was designed that way to leave the decision to do so to the player.

The Airstrike behavior is a bug. Normally, Airstrikes should be ended once the map gets trashed.
And they should not happen underground, of course.
That will be investigated and fixed.
Raids are a bit random, but only the bombs count for that. Gun runs are "for free" during raids.

To wolf00

A vest with rechargeable shield battery as attachments can be created, but the terminal not.
One problem is, that shields work in every inv slot, so the battery would work without the vest.

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244123] Sat, 13 February 2010 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok i got it,so we can use in game armor/cells for pcv armor ? these cells powering in game power armor ...

[URL=http://img196.imageshack.us/i/04harpoongun.png/][IMG]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6955/04harpoongun.png[/IMG][/URL]

[URL=http://img196.imageshack.us/i/04dartgun.png/][IMG]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7771/04dartgun.png[/IMG][/URL]

[URL=http://img196.imageshack.us/i/06gascannon.png/][IMG]http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6575/06gascannon.png[/IMG][/URL]
some for inspire... weapon's family power by gas @tm ...

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244138] Sun, 14 February 2010 04:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jet Harpoon Surprised
NOOOOOO it's X-Com's answer to the Rocket Rifle...

@lockie what do you mean prettify it!!! I suppose I could have a looky, been playing about with guns from Borderlands last day or so, so Sci-Fi is in for me at the moment Wink


Re: Demise of Man[message #244142] Sun, 14 February 2010 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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More bugs: When you order Nails with *no* items from AIM he arrives without the leather jacket, no armor at all. When you want to give him a "wrong" vest he says his "don't mess with the vest, scooter" line, but again his vest spot is empty. I believe in Vanilla when you get him with no items, he was still arriving with his leather jacket, which is missing currently.

Edit: You probably know already, browsing the mercs roster on the laptop GUI is a little borked up. Someone fixed this a long time ago, whoever did the ManyMercs implementation (was it SpaceViking or Headrock?), can you use their code to get the laptop scrolling? I believe it is now part of HAM or even the SVN.

By the way, great job of making the merc roster in the strategic GUI work! That scrolling kicks butt! You guys should change the GUI by removing the horizontal bar intended to separate vehicles, this will give you three more slots to play with.

Edit 2: PRICE_MODIFIER is currently set to 1, I suggest giving less money from selling, maybe even the WildFire setting e.g. 100 as you get lots of money too fast, stretching it out will make the second half of the game more challenging.

Keep MILITIA_TRAINING_COST at 15000, this is the most wonderful setting I have seen in a long time!

Edit 3: Traveled with the Hummer from L12 to M13, arriving in M13 I get dropped at the west (left) sector edge, which is water, and I can't place my team there, needed to Alt+X exit the game. Not sure if this would happen in Vanilla or if this is DOM only.

Edit 4: Make the high tech medical items e.g. health shard, adrenaline, etc. only dropable by Strogg, it gets too easy when humans drop them. I have game progress 36 and I have 20 health shards, 40 med kits, etc.

Also Strogg, Marauders, and overland bugs are not threatening enough, you just wait for them to disappear or drive around them. They would need to be more like queens troups, walk the countryside and actively seek to attack you. Currently even when they attack a city you reload and take advantage of the randomness negating the threat.

The Plasmagun (id 1187) doesn't allow the rifle LAM as an attachment but does allow rifle LAM flash light as an attachment, looks to me the rifle LAM attachment might be missing.

Edit 5: Just had the idea of using SciFi mode to toggle conventional weapons completely on or off. You guys have so many energy weapons that it makes sense to provide a "SciFi only" guns experience, a game with only energy weapons. I got this idea when thinking of how I would like to play my next DOM game and realized that restricting myself won't work as enemy drops overflow with conventional guns.

Rod & spring and gun barrel extender need prices in your game as Tony removes them and then offers them for $1. (I know the player can remove these as well, this is just about Tony selling them for a dollar.)

Mauser Karbiner 98k not sellable at Tony's, not sure if this is DOM or if it was already in Vanilla.


Callahan
That was intentionally designed that way. You may hit ALT + D to get new APs. That would have the same result. So it does not really matter for reloading that way.

He, he, not to be a know it all here, but if that were true, why can't you pick up items from the sector inventory in a sector with combat? Well, I can tell you why, because the code already checked for that before you added the ability to access any sector inventory, meaning the newly added code has not been expanded to have the same check. Very Happy


@Kaerar: Not sure about the theme, they use the alien graphics for crepitus (couldn't get jelly from them), there are random marauders speaking different languages on the main map and of course the Strogg and the energy weapons derived from them. Doesn't feel like Halflife, but you know me, I like everything SciFi. :drool:

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244144] Sun, 14 February 2010 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just wondering if there is any basis for this mod, or whether it's a collection of random sci-fi themes?

If so you could use guns from a variety of sources like AvP, Borderlands, BF2142 etc...


Re: Demise of Man[message #244152] Sun, 14 February 2010 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@lockie what do you mean prettify it!!!


See them ingame and you'll get it ! Ugly...... Surprised


Re: Demise of Man[message #244155] Sun, 14 February 2010 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have Surprised
I got scared...

However I need a fixed xml, as it keeps cocking up in Excel at the moment Sad
Can't get a feel for the guns otherwise. Also seeing as it's aliens and stuff why have we got so much contemporary weaponry? Reducing it to the main AK/HK/Colt Families with a few notable cameo's like the L85A2 and so on would simplify things a lot Smile

@wolf00 - Do you have any more of those pics of the guns from the UFO series. Could do with some of them for inspiration even if as they are they are only MD fodder Wink


Re: Demise of Man[message #244161] Sun, 14 February 2010 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As the other postee's have noted , lots of good ideas here , don't understand why Callahan can't get it to work in higher resolution though ?
Even if he did , strogg wouldn't look any better , nor would the futureistic weaponry . Sad


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http://images.google.cz/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Acs%3Aofficial&hl=cs&source=hp&q=terror +from+the+deep&btnG=Hledat+obr%C3%A1zky&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=


Kaerar, have fun....

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Re: Demise of Man[message #244276] Mon, 15 February 2010 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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Thanks mate already am Wink

Though seeing as the images are so small (even smaller than MDGuns!) Making them detailed and larger is an effort. Still I'm having a laugh trying Very Happy
Also have some cool armour to play with so trying to make it JA2 styled...


Re: Demise of Man[message #246353] Sun, 07 March 2010 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luk3Z

 
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DoM mod is really interesting but I can't find screenschots of gameplay anywhere Sad
Re: Demise of Man[message #246615] Wed, 10 March 2010 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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Hi luk3Z, The maps are pretty much standard 1.13 I believe, so not much different from that perspective. However there are two new "races" in addition to the regular SciFi "bugs" and of course lots of energy weapons. Ah, yah, and the air strikes, let's not forget these.

I feel one of the biggest game changes is the autofire stops (and carries over to the next enemy) after you kill the initial target. It drastically changes how you use auto fire (because you can't waste APs).

You really should give it a try luk3Z, it is a quite unique and surprisingly positive game experience. The game feels more like "action" less like "strategy".


Re: Demise of Man[message #254251] Fri, 18 June 2010 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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Hey,

ive tried DOM a bit now and its pretty awesome.
Lots of crazy and creative features and a shi+load of new toys.
Lasers all over the place^^
Lots of fighting but the pace seems allright till now.
Though i had to modify the Ini rather heavily, i cant see how one is supposed to play it with the vanilla settings, or without Drop All ?(or rather how long one would play)
Disabled those evil airstrikes and toned down lots of settings, its my first run.

DOM is really worth a try and is a mod of craziness all over.

I just want to share a funny tale which happend to me yesterday.
I recruited additional mercs on day 10 or so and Omerta(drop zone) was occupied.
No biggie me thinks, Wolf, Stephen and Gasket can handle this.
So imagine my amazement when i met Mike and some soldiers in Omerta!
The crappy starting gear the three had could not damage Mike at all.. Crying or Very Sad

So how did i survive?
Purely by a big load of luck. Cool

1. I was lucky that Stephan had a Strogg Mp, which couldnt damage Mike but wittle away his AP with a hail of bullets.(Wolf&Gasket had Scorpions)
2. I was lucky that Wolf could reach Mike while being shot at by 3 soldiers, which didnt hit him.
No kidding, they Auto fired like 100 bullets his way.
3. I was lucky that Mike was placed diagonally from a big rock which then covered Wolf from the soldiers.
4. I was lucky that Gasket&Stephan could distract the rest while Wolf crouched and BEAT Mike to death Very Happy

The cherry was Wolfs speech when he killed Mike.
"AIM will put this in my Bio"
Killing the super merc Mike bare handed is a rather awesome achivement Mr.Sanderson.

I lol

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Re: Demise of Man[message #254254] Fri, 18 June 2010 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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Nooo, the airstrikes are the best part!! Very Happy (They even happen underground... Unless you have the patch)

You know that you can use the replicator to make new items (including cars and people), and you "fill" it by making it "eat" other items? Also you know that you can access sector inventory from any (visited) sector on the map, even during combat?

Armor is much tougher to overcome in DOM. A viable tactic is to shoot the dude with hollowpoints to take his breath and have another guy walk over there and club him to death, just like you did.


Re: Demise of Man[message #254257] Fri, 18 June 2010 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toneone

 
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Nooo, the airstrikes are the best part!! laugh


Well they are pretty cool, but i restarted twice cause they wiped out my already very small team.
No fun on your first try.
I know they are aviodable in a way but i just didnt want to bother on my first run.
Battling 14 STROGG is hard enough without armageddon all around me^^


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You know that you can use the replicator to make new items (including cars and people), and you "fill" it by making it "eat" other items? Also you know that you can access sector inventory from any (visited) sector on the map, even during combat?

Yes, and i already made plenty use of the replicator, which is just AWESOME.
Strangely though im very limited in what weapons i can build with it.
I remember i could build energy weapons in one of my tries and now i cant.
Its not a problem of navigation, they just dont show up.

The inventory thing is kinda cheaty, il refrain from using that too much.


Ill report back with more crazyniess.
Re: Demise of Man[message #254258] Fri, 18 June 2010 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid

 
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Hazmat
Strangely though im very limited in what weapons i can build with it.
I remember i could build energy weapons in one of my tries and now i cant.
Its not a problem of navigation, they just dont show up.


Hu? Odd, maybe some bad patch they applied? It seemed to work for me, but all I really tried was the Eldorado.


Hazmat
The inventory thing is kinda cheaty, il refrain from using that too much.


Yah, getting ammo from the current sector during an interrupt is a little much already, getting ammo from another sector during an interrupt is just not right, I agree! Smile


Re: Demise of Man[message #254314] Sat, 19 June 2010 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Toneone

 
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Yup, this is how you do it, button #2 cycles the categories, button #3 & #4 cycle through the items in the selected category. When I played it, I was able to cycle through all available items. For example cycling through the guns category takes forever as there are so many guns. I think I mostly made gun attachments and the Eldorado. Replicating the Eldorado will give you a car "item", you need to "use" it on your chest in tactical, it will then "create" the car next to where you are standing.


Haha, disregard my problems im stupid!
I overlooked that you can cycle through the categories if u click on the 1 slot again.
So guns are ordere after calibre, no wonder i found only crap when browsing through 9mm guns^^
To be honest i used the last 10 or so game days to hunt patrols and feed my replicator to make shiny toys.


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Uh, so, hm, why is this a hassel again? Lets say your mercs armor got nicked, it is now 94% instead of 100%, instead of having to repair the armor which takes time and makes the repair guy tired, you pick up the same armor from any sector on the map and merge it with your nicked armor. For example you are in Cambria with 94% kevlar, you take a 23% kevlar from Drassen, merge it with the nicked one to get one 100% kevlar and one 17% kevlar, done.


Screw kevlar, who wears that?^^
Thing is i progressed to the better armors ASAP, and making those for repairs was a bit costly at first. Then i discovered armor shards.
My main group is nicely decked out in coated dyneema field ops gear, and repairng those is a hassle.
If u dont know about the shards that is.

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By the way, try to play a compaign with *no* armor. I did this once with an I love Arulco t-shirt. It is really not that bad. Well, except for when you wear a t-shirt the enemies constantly ask you if you want to surrender.


Ha!
That actually sounds funny, though i dread getting hit by one of those auto laser guns.
On the other hand there are plenty of health restoring items in the game.
So you can actually get hurt to 1point of health and totally heal up on the spot.


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Uh, check out [url=http://jaggedalliance2.pbworks.com/f/Demise_of_Man_20091130_Weapons.xls]this[/utl] one, they changed the damage of all guns, making the shotguns and pistols more powerful than the rifles. Very interesting idea indead! I am wondering if this would make 1.13 better?


Yeah i discovered that pretty fast.
Ill never part with my street sweeper&jackhammer.
They totaly rule in DOM, even against STROGG if u use Flechettes/slugs.
But i think its more calibre related, for instance 45./40SW pistols are the bees knees, much like Mp

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