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HAM 3.6 Full has been RELEASED

HAM 3.6 has been successfully merged with JA2 1.13. It is now available in the 1.13 SVN download, and does not require a separate download! Yay!

However, the 1.13 download has most HAM settings deactivated or at least nerfed down by default. This is done to avoid confusing new players, and to avoid altering the vanilla JA2 by more than is absolutely necessary.

For that reason, I am proud to present the HAM 3.6 Settings Package!

This package contains nothing more than a few files required to activate HAM 3.6 to the max, by installing it on top of JA2 1.13 build 1208 or higher.

DOWNLOAD HAM 3.6 Settings Package
DOWNLOAD HAM 3.6 Settings Package (old)
  • Suitable for:
  • Single Click Installer build 1210 or lower.
  • Any installation of build 1212 or lower.

Installation instructions are INSIDE THE ZIP FILE. The HAM 3.6 Settings Package is far easier to install than any HAM version released to date!

The HAM 3.6 package contains the following:
  • JA2_Options.INI, pre-tweaked to enable ALL HAM features to date, fully optimized to give you the full HAM experience.
  • Facilities.XML and FacilityTypes.XML with all 19 HAM facilities enabled! This includes militia training restrictions, risks and operation costs, and a whole lot of mayhem that isn't available in the 1.13 download.
  • A VFS file that enables switching the HAM 3.6 Settings Package on and off with ease.
  • A READ ME file with all the necessary instructions. Easy to read, easy to use, that's our motto. Well, no, but still.

HAM 3.6 General Information

For new players, here is (again) the list of features of HAM 3.6. Some instructions for those features can be found on the HAM Wiki Features Page.

Major Features
  • Facility system upgraded
    • Facilities have been completely upgraded, and are now an extremely powerful tool both for modders and players. Facilities are static sector features that bestow a certain bonus when used. The effects of facilities are extremely diverse, and they can cause all sorts of things to happen. For the most part, facilities boost performance on assignments such as repair or doctor or even resting. However, many facilities provide other effects, like detection of enemy units on the Arulco map, increased mine income, and many many others.
    • HAM 3.6 also adds costs and risks associated with facilities. These serve to add yet more complexity to the system, requiring the player to make important decisions about which facilities to use (or not to use) and when. Normally, facilities with great bonuses come at a great cost or risk (or both). Some facilities can make you money, while others are used as a cash sink to improve character skills and/or loyalty in the various cities.
    • Facility work is now VOLUNTARY. A new option called "FACILITY" is available in the assignment menu, which will display all facilities that can be operated in the sector, and allows the player to select which assignment to perform at the chosen facility out of the possible options.
  • Externalized Bloodcat Locations
    • It is now possible for modders to customize bloodcat encounters, something which was completely impossible with 1.13.
    • Bloodcat ambushes can be placed anywhere you want on the map (and can all be removed if so desired). It is possible to set the relative danger of encounters based on game difficulty, and alter the placements in the map editor freely.
    • It's possible to place "static" bloodcat encounters where a set number of bloodcats appears, just like the Arena sector in Meduna N5. You can decide whether these bloodcats can/can't attack enemies. Each bloodcat killed in this sector will be removed forever and will not appear again.
    • It's possible to move the location of the bloodcat lair, and/or add more lairs to the map. Lair sectors can regenerate bloodcats so that over time they will replenish their numbers. If ALL bloodcats in the lair are killed, then they will never respawn there again. Please note that there must exist at least ONE lair, which is used for Auntie's quest.
  • PROFEX - XMLized Profiles
    • An XML file now replaces PROF.DAT. You can edit the XML by hand in notepad, so you don't need to rely on PROEDIT anymore.
    • With PROFEX it is possible to edit merc opinions about each other. Previously (with PROEDIT) it was only possible to VIEW these opinions but not change them.
    • You can turn the XML on and off, to decide for yourself whether you want to use PROF.DAT or the new XMLs.
    • PROFEX can be used to convert PROF.DAT into XML format.
  • Militia Upkeep Costs
    • It is now possible to set daily upkeep costs per militia. You can set a different payment rate for each "class" of militia (green/regular/elite) and separately for garrisons and mobiles.
    • The money is automatically deducted from your account at the end of the day. If you cannot afford to pay the entire amount, some of your militia will automatically disband.

Minor Features
  • Customizable Sector Names
    • Allows modders to change sector names using an XML. This will replace the generic names (like "Woods", "Cambria", "SAM Site", etc.) with whatever you choose. Any sector that does not have a name defined in the XML will show its original generic name, so this is completely optional.
    • The XML allows setting different names when the sector is explored and not explored.
  • Daily Expenses window
    • This window appears just underneath the "Daily Income" window on your strategic screen. It shows the daily cost of any facilities you are using, but depending on an INI setting can also show the projected daily cost for all mercs on your team.
  • Separate Mobile Militia Training Assignment
    • It is no longer necessary to fill an entire town with Elites (or Regulars if Elites are turned off) to train Mobile Militia. You can select Mobile Militia training from the assignment menu separately, once the town is full of at least Green militia. This allows focusing on Mobile Militia when necessary, before completing garrison militia training. The assignment appears in the training menu just below the normal militia training option.
    • Mobile Militia training works completely separately from Garrison Militia training. If one character is training Mobiles and the other is training Garrison, the two do not "assist" one another, but are actually performing two completely separate jobs. You can even see a separate "training progress" percentage when you bring up the sector info box (right-click the sector).
    • Having this as a separate assignment allows the game to check whether there's room for Mobile Militia around the city at all. If there isn't enough room, training cannot be initiated. This is mainly for avoiding issues where Mobile training is wasted due to lack of space.
  • Wider Message Log
    • The message log on the Strategic Screen will now stretch as far as possible to allow longer messages to appear without wrapping. The Balance/Income/Expenses window has been moved as far right as possible, and is now next to the laptop button. This works in all resolutions, although there's really no difference in 640x480 mode.
  • Updated Smart Militia Generator
    • The Mobile Militia Generator is now smart enough to place new mobile groups in the most suitable location, minimizing the possibility of wasting part of a training session by placing new mobiles in a sector that doesn't have enough room for all of them. It will now prefer placing new mobiles in emptier sectors if they are available.
  • Level Progress Bars
    • In the character's information panel (Strategic and Tactical), under the attribute/skill level scores, you can see a colored bar that shows the current progress towards the next level.
    • INI Settings allow changing the color of these bars, using R/G/B.
    • A preferences menu option allows turning the bars on and off as you please.
    • A progress bar will now also appear in the merc's assignment field when training militia or being trained in a skill. This will show how far the merc is towards completing the assignment or gaining another stat level.
  • Multi-color Message Log
    • Messages in the message log are no longer only yellow and white. For now, merc arrival messages are green, and attribute/skill loss is shown in red.
  • Militia Place Blue Flags
    • If a militia person manages to spot a mine, they will automatically place down a blue flag. Note that they make the same skill check as mercs do, so don't count on them to scout out a minefield without casualties.
  • Militia "Pick-up" Messages
    • If a militia person picks up an item, a message will let you know which item was picked up.
  • More Messages in Tactical Mode
    • An INI setting allows you to decide how many messages can appear on screen simultaneously in Tactical mode.
    • The limit is 36 lines in 1024x768 mode, 26 lines in 800x600 mode, and 20 lines in 640x480 mode. The original JA2 limit was 6 lines... ugh.
  • Smarter Mobile Militia Movement
    • Mobile Militia are now somewhat smarter about where/when to move. They will do their best to stay in large groups whenever enemies are nearby, and will split up into smaller groups to cover a larger area when the coast is clear. This allows them to maintain a somewhat better defensive spread while not compromising their strength.
  • Disband Town Militia
    • When viewing town militia (right-click a town sector in militia view mode), you can disband militia by removing them from a sector and clicking the DONE button. A prompt comes up to confirm this. Disbanded militia simply disappear from the map - you are not reimbursed for the money you paid to train them!
  • XMLized Uniform Colors
    • Using a new XML it is possible to change the default uniform colors for all enemy classes (Admin/Troop/Elite) and all Militia classes (Rookie/Regular/Elite). You choose pant and vest colors separately, out of a large list of options. No need to start a new campaign, although this will only take effect next time a sector is loaded.
  • No Forced Massacre of Civilians
    • Non-combat civilians will never become hostile towards you. This normally occurs when a civilian is shot or hit by explosives, and forces you to kill a large number of them if you want to pacify the sector. It makes no sense whatsoever.
    • With an INI setting, you can turn this silly behavior off. Hurting/killing civilians still makes a huge impact on loyalty, but you can kill JUST ONE if you need to for some reason, without having to kill everyone in the friggin sector.
    • This ONLY affects civilians with non-combat bodytypes. Other civvies may still go hostile on your ass.
  • Bloodcat Faction Affiliation
    • With the new Bloodcat Placement XML, it is now possible for modders to place down bloodcats that are NON-HOSTILE and affiliated with a specific assignment. These bloodcats do not attack anyone. If you attack a faction member, or the bloodcats themselves, the bloodcats (and faction members) will all become hostile.
  • Militia Hostility Conditions
    • A new INI setting allows you to decide whether militia become hostile when injured by your mercs, when killed by your mercs, or never.
  • No Automatic Selection in Forced Real-Time
    • A new INI setting disables the game automatically switching between mercs whenever they spot an enemy in real-time mode. This only works with forced real-time (see "ALLOW_REAL_TIME_SNEAK").
    • If the spotting triggers turn-based mode for any reason, the spotting character will be selected as normal.

Fixes and Misc. adjustments
  • Facility Name List
    • When looking at the Sector Info Box (right click a sector on the strategy map), the list of facilities in the sector will show each facility on its own separate line, rather than one next to the other. This solves a problem where the info box was stretched sideways and showed a graphical glitch.
    • Also, non-city sectors will now also show a list of facilities if they are present.
  • Message Log Refresh
    • In NIV, when the inventory is open, the messages in the message log window disappeared. This has now been fixed - the messages are always seen, and will also scroll appropriately if new messages are added while the inventory is open.
  • Backpack Exploit Fix
    • Much to the chagrin of some people Wink it is no longer possible to avoid movement cost penalties when carrying a backpack in your hands (or, for that matter, anywhere else in your inventory).
  • No Static Running
    • Previously, characters who were in the running state at the end of their turn would remain in that state indefinitely, losing breath every turn. This has been fixed, mainly by automatically stopping the character if he/she is in a running state but hasn't moved at all for an entire turn.
    • This fix is included in recent versions of 1.13.
  • Crash in Bobby Ray's
    • An old HAM bug caused a crash when using the Possible Attachments list in Bobby Ray's with mods like DBB or Alpha Item Mod that increase the number of attachments considerably. FIXED, finally.
  • Two bugs in the San-Mona Boxing Competition
    • HAM solves two long-standing issues with the San-Mona boxing arena. Firstly, Darren will no longer "forget" to pay you if your merc exits the ring AFTER the opponent exits it. Secondly, opponents will no longer stay in the ring after a fight.
And, of course, includes all features from HAM 1, HAM 2, and HAM 3.0 through HAM 3.5! There are so many it would take a week to list them all! Visit the HAM Wiki for more information and instructions on each and every feature that HAM has to offer.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243621] Tue, 09 February 2010 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll be off to work shortly, so I can't provide much support until later tonight. Hopefully there won't be any trouble to address, but please do report anything.

Remember to INSTALL CORRECTLY. As usual, instructions are inside the zip, and any further information can be found on the HAM Wiki.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243635] Tue, 09 February 2010 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great stuff :super:
This goes directly into my new SCI Very Happy
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243655] Tue, 09 February 2010 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If that gets people to actually download and test it... I guess why not. It's a little disappointing that no one's commented yet though.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243676] Wed, 10 February 2010 01:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here I was, just getting home, expecting to read up on some feedback and start solving problems.

... Hello?

... Is there anybody out there?

... ECHO!! ECHO! Echo! echo! echo...


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243677] Wed, 10 February 2010 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well just installed it. Found a setting I dont know what to do about though.

Actually it's one from 3.5:

I know this one caps the CTH depending on the range, but how?
RANGE_EFFECT_ON_MAX_TRACER_CTH_BONUS = 3

I like the militia upkeep cost.
I used to just turn mobile militia off because you could just keep training them infinitely.

Can't really give more feedback than that before playing some anyway ^^

Edith: Oh, also, is that cover system bug still in this version?

[Updated on: Wed, 10 February 2010 01:09] by Moderator

Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243682] Wed, 10 February 2010 01:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Quote:
I know this one caps the CTH depending on the range, but how?
RANGE_EFFECT_ON_MAX_TRACER_CTH_BONUS = 3


The calculation is ridiculously complex, sorry. Smile

The best way to see if this is set correctly is to get some Tracer Bullets in the game and try to use them. If you find that long autofire volleys are way too accurate, increase the value. If you think Tracers should make you more accurate, decrease the value.

And, of course, let me know which value you liked. Wink

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I used to just turn mobile militia off because you could just keep training them infinitely.


It's why I made this setting. It becomes a tradeoff of "one more merc" vs. "a team of elite militia". It's a hard choice, especially in HAM where both these options are equally important. Actually, some would say that a team of 20 blueshirts are much better than a single merc - given the amount of firepower they add.

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Edith: Oh, also, is that cover system bug still in this version?


No, because the new cover system isn't in HAM at all. That feature was was introduced into 1.13 after HAM 3.6 was created, and I have not updated HAM to that standard yet. I am actually avoiding upgrading HAM because of peoples' reaction to that bug.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243714] Wed, 10 February 2010 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I downloaded your HAM 3.6v7 and I try it. Smile

[Updated on: Wed, 10 February 2010 20:14] by Moderator

Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243724] Wed, 10 February 2010 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lame question, but was does the VFS_CONFIG_INI file look like in Windows Explorer? None of the file types are labelled .INI
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243729] Wed, 10 February 2010 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Windows uses the .ini extension for configuration info (Wiki explanation can be found here). So when you double-click the INI file Windows will try to do Windows stuff with it, which is not desirable. Instead right click on the ini file and select the "Open with ..." option, from there choose Notepad (or whatever else you like). Jagged Alliance INI files are a little different in their structure from Windows INI files, so you need to use a text editor for our files.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243735] Wed, 10 February 2010 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Found it. Windows calls it a "configuration settings" file.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243755] Wed, 10 February 2010 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am now in the process of adding tooltips to the facility assignment menu options.

When this process is complete, the structure of FacilityTypes.XML will have changed a little, adding a new tag to each assignment in each facility. This tag will include the text to be shown in the tooltip.

However, this won't render existing XMLs obsolete. If the tag is missing, the game will simply not display a tooltip for that assignment. Of course, modders will be encouraged to add tooltips to their XMLs, to make players' lives easier.

I'll upload a new version of HAM 3.6 once this feature is done. Please note that this will simply replace HAM 3.6a v7 (I.E. It won't be called "v8").


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243759] Wed, 10 February 2010 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Right, that's done. We can now write tooltips for each and every facility assignment. I'll get busy on "populating" the list.

Also I've done a couple of fixes on 1.13 code:

A) The tooltips themselves had a strange (and apparently intentional?) flaw. The tooltips were set to appear too low, and are way too often obscured by the mouse cursor. I've changed the tooltip location formula to make sure that never happens. I can't think of any reason why they were designed this way - tooltips are supposed to appear above the cursor at all times...
B) A string-wrapping function, which is used in one place (though I couldn't actually get it to trigger no matter how hard I tried...) had an obvious mistake in it. I've changed it slightly, although it could still be better. This function is now used to wrap the facility assignment tooltips. Maybe there's a more common function used in other places (like item descriptions) but I couldn't find it. In any case, works great for my tooltips now.

I'll release the new version once I'm done writing the new tooltips.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243764] Wed, 10 February 2010 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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UPDATE

A new version of HAM 3.6a has been uploaded. Please re-download! (link at the top of this thread)
Version number is still v7, 'cause I said so.

This version features new tooltips for the Facility Assignments menu.

If you're a modder, you may wish to examine the new FacilityTypes.XML to see the new tag that's been added. Don't worry, you don't actually need to add this tag if you don't want to. If it doesn't appear for any Assignment, a tooltip simply won't appear either (no crashes involved).


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243768] Wed, 10 February 2010 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Found an assertion error, not sure if it's HAM but thought I might aswell post it here.
Game doesn't seem to know what group I'm in.
http://i46.tinypic.com/fqq0g.jpg

Didn't really do anything special, maybe I just started scrolling.

Confirmed it happens when I try to scroll out of the screen. Doesn't happen when I start a new game and scroll right though.
I guess it wants to check if we're all moving to the next sector.

It's fixed when changing squad.

[Updated on: Wed, 10 February 2010 21:21] by Moderator

Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243778] Wed, 10 February 2010 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The system of fines imposed by the AP in HAM acts on mercs and enemies, or only on mercs? Just noticed that the enemy soldiers better endure wounds and can fire back, even after being seriously wounded at close range.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243782] Wed, 10 February 2010 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Supression AP loss works on both you and the enemy.
Wounding also works on both, I assume at the same rate.
What I think happened is that an enemy just fired a barrage of unaimed shots.
Because your shooting AP cost (not aiming cost) scales with the amount of AP you get, you can always fire some shots. (shooting costs less AP when you're wounded)
This is because being heavily wounded doesn't keep you from pulling the trigger a few dozen times.
With a handgun they can often fire 3-4 rounds even when at critical health.
They will be likely to miss you however.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243785] Wed, 10 February 2010 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Found an assertion error, not sure if it's HAM but thought I might aswell post it here.


Very curious. Since you're loading a savegame though, I need to ask - when did you save it and with what version of the game?


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243791] Wed, 10 February 2010 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I started a new game with this version. Using an SVN 1205 updated folder. (That of course doesn't delete the HAM files ^^)
I'm pretty sure somehow the squad of my character got lost somewhere.
She disappears out of the bar when I get the error when not in inventory mode, and in strategical my team just leaves her behind when I tried to move.

Crap just realised I didn't save the faulty savegame -_-
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243793] Wed, 10 February 2010 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@Headrock
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Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243798] Wed, 10 February 2010 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LOL if that shirt wasn't butt-ugly I'd actually buy it. Very Happy

(BTW, the real price is 5,145 Yen, which comes down to about $60. Butt-ugly AND expensive!)


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243800] Wed, 10 February 2010 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
JUST OFF THE LINE!!!! NEW HEADROCK WIFE BEATER!
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Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243801] Wed, 10 February 2010 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now that's more like it.

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Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243804] Wed, 10 February 2010 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You beat me to it!
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243837] Thu, 11 February 2010 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow..looking forward to even more. Really does amaze me that this game has such depth that it can be squeezed this way.

The tooltip for facilities will be great. I haven't downloaded and tried it yet since I just saw this new thread.

Now to follow up what I mentioned on the old thread that I've never been able to get "All Mercs at MERC available Day 1" to work, though I've done several installations of 1.13 and HAM 3.5 and 3.6. Well all of those installations used my old CD (1.03 or some such version) patched to 1.06 then 1.13 then HAM.

I recently did another installation in a different directory..using its own .ini editor/launcher and patched to 1.07, which I recently discovered, then 1.13 then the STOMP 1.0 alpha mod, which includes HAM 3.5. And this time the Mercs at MERC were available on the first day. It also seemed to fix the problem with Bobby Ray's 'show all possible attachments' tooltips not appearing. They now do. I don't know why installation works differently, but it might be the 1.07 versus 1.06 patch

One thing that didn't work ever before, and still doesn't, was setting starting cash higher, which I've been fooling around with for trying different combinations of Mercs and difficulty levels. It still didn't make any difference, even when using the STOMP/HAM3.5 installation, for me to set starting cash 5000 higher per level. This really doesn't matter much but I thought I'd include it for completeness' sake.

Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243845] Thu, 11 February 2010 03:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can't imagine any reason why that wouldn't work. Are you sure you changed all four settings +5000?


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243861] Thu, 11 February 2010 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JUST OFF THE LINE!!!! NEW HEADROCK WIFE BEATER!
The new Headrock wife beater is perfect for sitting in your underwear whle you are playing cat and mouse suppression battles. It is the perfect garment for wiping your snack stained hands on!

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Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243862] Thu, 11 February 2010 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey hey now.... I refuse to listen to you bash my hero New Joisey!
BTW
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Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243863] Thu, 11 February 2010 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gee, sorry. Some of us still care about the WHOLE game, not just cheezy player features jammed in regardless of whether they are fully functional.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243947] Thu, 11 February 2010 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry Headrock, Hans still ain't moving ^^
Tried about 10 times, Tony was there about half of the time, but Hans wouldn't let me in and I had to call Trevor, the handyman.
I may have shot Brenda by accident, instead of giving her the tape though.

Hans did actually move when I gave Brenda the tape.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243950] Fri, 12 February 2010 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm..no just three of them. I didn't realize that was necessary since each has its own line in the ini.. I'll try that. Like I say, not such a big deal.

As for the MERC day one thing, I started another game and this time chose only All Mercs available at MERC but not the day one option and when the website came up on day three or so, only the usual starting mercs were available...which is what has happened every other time with the other installations HAM 3.6), and which I thought/think is a bug. To repeat..this happened with the new installation (with STOMP and HAM 3.5) which before worked fine when I chose both "All mercs at MERC" and "Available Day one" options

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the intent of the option and all it means is that eventually (very eventually no doubt) all the mercs from UB become available, but not early in the game, but that's not how I read it.



Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243951] Fri, 12 February 2010 00:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Hans did actually move when I gave Brenda the tape.


Hmmmm... So you shot her, and killed her? Or shot her without killing her? Did Hans say "step right in" and didn't move, or simply refused to let you in to see Tony?

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I didn't realize that was necessary since each has its own line in the ini..


It's not. It's just important to change the line that refers to the difficulty level you're playing, so changing all four would've made SURE whether the settings worked or not.

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To repeat..this happened with the new installation (with STOMP and HAM 3.5) which before worked fine when I chose both "All mercs at MERC" and "Available Day one" options


So it worked once, then failed to work the other time, with the same exact version installed?

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Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the intent of the option and all it means is that eventually (very eventually no doubt) all the mercs from UB become available, but not early in the game, but that's not how I read it.


I've never used the setting, but from what I understand it should let you hire ANY merc from MERC straight from day one (that is, with both settings on). In other words, something's wrong.

[EDIT: Also, I'm very confused as to the version you're using. Please make it clearer...]


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243952] Fri, 12 February 2010 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faithless

 
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This unfortunate accident actually killed her, the second one did at least.
Hans then gave his "oshit what a mess" speach.
Then he said "tony stepped out" and "I've got to take inventory" and stayed put.

It seems to work every now and then still, no telling when it works.
Doesn't seem like anything has changed to me.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243957] Fri, 12 February 2010 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Inukshuk

 
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The version I used that never worked, with two installations and several new games, using both options selected (ie 'First day' and 'All mercs at MERC') was the SCI from October 2009 or so (the last one before this) with HAM 3.5 and 3.6. Attachment Tooltips at BR didn't work either and the first installation had a few other problems as well. I patched to 1.06 then to 1.13 for all of these. No STOMP had been used, nor any other mod; I fiddled with nothing but the ini editor settings.

The one game that worked properly... but only if both options were chosen for a new game was a new install in a new directory, patched to 1.07 from the CD (no 1.06 step involved) then to 1.13 using the current SCI then STOMP 1.0 (I used the '1.0a' that was briefly available recently then installed over that the newer and possibly different '1.0 alpha', both of which include HAM 3.5. That game began with all the Mercs (Biggins for example) available for hire at the outset. The last new game I started had only "All mercs at MERC" selected but not "MERC opens day one" selected and when the web site opened day 2 or 3, only the usual suspects were hire-able.

Perhaps selecting both options is necessary for the "All Mercs" to work at all.

The reason I care about all this is I like those MERC mercs for their sheer character...not to mention that they play right into my commitment issues, being averse to long term contracts and all Wink .

Again, no big deal if we know about it since we can always select both options if we really want those mercs early, if that's the problem. But let's just say that watching your posts makes me think you'd like to know absolutely everything about how your mod is working....and as I've said more than once, it's much appreciated. If this is too trivial to bother with, or is something only I am experiencing I'm fine with dropping it. You don't need any more work.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243958] Fri, 12 February 2010 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Then he said "tony stepped out" and "I've got to take inventory" and stayed put.


Oh well that isn't what I'm looking for, actually. The "NPC movement bug" is when Hans says "Bet you're here to see Tony? He's in the back.", at which point he's supposed to move out of the way, but doesn't move at all. What you're describing ("Tony stepped out") is perfectly normal behavior and should be expected randomly.

If you do encounter a situation where Hans says the correct dialogue but doesn't (or, Does!) move, please report it.

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If this is too trivial to bother with, or is something only I am experiencing I'm fine with dropping it. You don't need any more work.


I'm not sure I can help or whether this is a HAM issue. However, if you ever get to try HAM 3.6 on a properly installed version (I.E. 1.07) let me know how it works out. I assume that both settings can be used together, so what you're describing is rather odd. Of course, since STOMP is involved, that kind of skews things. I can't provide very good support for EXE versions that I didn't make.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243962] Fri, 12 February 2010 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hairfoot

 
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Hmm. I installed HAM, and now JA won't load at all. I also tried a new enemygunchoices.xml, so I'm hoping that's causing the crash. I'll reinstall the game and try again.
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #243991] Fri, 12 February 2010 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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It would help if you describe the crash.


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #244008] Fri, 12 February 2010 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Seriously you guys, I need more feedback on the Hans problem. Get your asses to San Mona!! Very Happy


Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #244039] Fri, 12 February 2010 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faithless

 
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Headrock
If you do encounter a situation where Hans says the correct dialogue but doesn't (or, Does!) move, please report it.

I've never really had Hans say "he's in the back" and stay put. (In any of my games ever)
I'm pretty sure it's still bugged however, cause Hans will never let you in once the first time fails.
Here's a bit more detailed sequence of events:

*shot brenda*
Hans just gives the "oh crap messy" dialogue, then there's supposed to be a second dialogue saying ohwell come on in.
Sometimes he doesn't give that second one, and once he doesn't, he never lets me in anytime after. (tried 20ish times after waiting some time)
When you come back later he doesn't even bother mentioning that tony isn't there.
He just talks about his ambitions, a dialogue that I don't even remember from vanilla.
I'm pretty sure you didn't hear it often at least.

Perhaps it's just 2 different bugs? (or the same, presenting itself differently)
Saved just before talking to Hans, so I can test it all I like Smile
Re: HAM 3.6 Alpha v7 - RELEASED[message #244043] Fri, 12 February 2010 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
tbird94lx

 
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Khor..critisize features etc ...but dont just post snippy lil brat comments cause ya dont like HAM..if ya dont like it dont install it..that simple..thought you were grown up enough to realize that...


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