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stupid design flaw[message #249340] Thu, 15 April 2010 00:43 Go to next message
Centurion

 
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fallout 1/2 use the same engine so it works +/- the same

but when you create a character in f1 f2 you are given a explanation of how each stat influences your guy.

up unti this point I was under the impression that the 'explosives' skill included the handling of grenades and mortars etc etc

common sense right?

nah it turns out is dexterity.


also thought that high mechanical skill would influence the gun getting jammed or not etc ...

nah it's just for lockpicking Mad

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249341] Thu, 15 April 2010 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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also thought that high mechanical skill would influence the gun getting jammed or not etc ...


what has the operater's skill to do with the question whether a gun jams? who said common sense? maybe a mechanic could clear the jam more easily, but a mechanical failure happens to biff and trevor alike - the latter may fix it, the former buys a farm

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249342] Thu, 15 April 2010 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gorro der Grüne is currently offline Gorro der Grüne

 
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 Did You ever throw a grenade or fire a gun?

EXPLOSIVES has nothing to do with throwing a grenade.
EXPLOSIVES could only be helpful if Your grenades tend to explode in Your own hands.
The skills needed are STRENGTH and TIMING (not impemented)

MECHANICAL is connected to unjamming not to jamming.
The skills connected to not jamming would be DISCIPLINE and ACCURACY(to maintain Your gun)
Both are not implemented


:nono: :wb:

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249430] Fri, 16 April 2010 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid is currently offline usrbid

 
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Hi Centurion, it is a game, it has its own rules, these may or may not relate to common sense. Headrock has a bunch of how to articles in the starter guid (top right main forum).

As far as I can tell throwing grenades has mainly two components, range (most important for me) and aim (somwwhat ipmortant although in most cases I just need to get "close" enough). Strength and the throwing skill seem to influence range the most, while level seems to influence aim.

I currently paly the 8,000+ enemies save game on Gold, grenades are somewhat useful against redshirts, however elites tend to get up and shoot you a lot next round, even when using 1-2 stun grenades.

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249435] Fri, 16 April 2010 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar is currently offline Kaerar

 
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 If you use Stun Grenades in Vanilla you are asking for a hiding Wink

The breath bug makes it impossible for them to work as the values wrap around and give them superbreath rather than none. Hence using normal frags and mini's work, Stun's just get ya killed.

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249454] Fri, 16 April 2010 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid is currently offline usrbid

 
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Well at least they may drop their gun in Vanilla where you can get it easily. :angel:

I noticed that something wasn't right with their breath, even 3 stuns only made them angry really...

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249489] Fri, 16 April 2010 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar is currently offline Kaerar

 
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 Yeah, a bug never patched unfortunately, and only slightly less annoying than the burst bug Sad

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249494] Fri, 16 April 2010 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gorro der Grüne is currently offline Gorro der Grüne

 
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 I had no probs with that in vanilla - never

round a
1. stun knocks him off the
2. stun as reserve for his comrad I couldn't see
3. frag just to be shure
4. Bull or Grizzly running close to get the bullet fron annother guy I haden't seen If their was none to use their knuckle dusters
5. Mr Lamont to either use his knuckledusters (if Bull, Grizzley got hurt) or steal

round b
1. use of bare fist
2. steal

Since in 1.02 de the Arulcian Army issued up to five rifles/shotguns/machetes to their men stealing woud be continued until nothing was left.

If the soldier was getting to die first aid was administered to continue.

I always thought it sporty to shoot the soldier with his own gun.


The problem with soldiers having 2000 AP and enough stamina for a whole division was only in early 1.13.

Since dropall stealing is unnecessary and I don't practice it anymore (a shame)

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249495] Fri, 16 April 2010 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar is currently offline Kaerar

 
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 Nah the issue remained if you used more than one stun grenade. Was never fixed. Hell even the burst bug got reintroduces into 1.10 and 1.12 was needed to fix that.

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249539] Sat, 17 April 2010 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar is currently offline Kaerar

 
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 3 of a maximum 6 bullets in a burst would hit due to the 2 bullet in groups of 2 having a broken 0% cth.

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249540] Sat, 17 April 2010 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
usrbid is currently offline usrbid

 
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Ah, so use 4 or 6 bullet burst guns in Vanilla? 3 or 5 bullet burst guns don't make a difference?

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249541] Sat, 17 April 2010 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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By the way, sometimes when you steal you bork it up a little where the stolen item lands in your tile even when both your hands are free.

It's because the guy challenged you for his gun. You were able to take it off his hands but couldn't keep it yourself. It's not intuitive to see what happens in the fight for the gun when you play but, if I remember well, the code has the following cases:
- The guy is no match and you take his gun in your hands.
- He challenged you but you were able to make him drop his gun at your feet.
- You could only bite his hand and he dropped his gun at his own feet.
- You were no match for him, he keeps his gun.

I think strength and breath are the strongest stats in the fight for the gun.

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Re: stupid design flaw[message #249542] Sat, 17 April 2010 10:51 Go to previous message
Gorro der Grüne is currently offline Gorro der Grüne

 
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 This was a bug/feature with the German 1.02 patch

I once had the luck to steal 4 G11s from Mike

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