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Sovereign's Gun Art (Re-Opened for Business)[message #268917] Fri, 24 December 2010 21:06 Go to next message
Sovereign

 
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I decided to get off my lazy bum and make some weapon pics for things I'd like to see in 1.13. I'll post here the victimized weapon pics. My GIMP skills are pretty meager, but I hope the results are usable. I welcome all and any input, especially from more experienced artists. I also hope I got the image size set up correctly.

Weapon Name: Kel Tec PMR-30
Type: Full-Sized Pistol
Caliber: .22WMR
Magazine Capacity: 30 rounds
Weight (Empty): 385.6gr
Weight (Loaded): 557.7gr
Full Magazine Weight: 170.1gr
Barrel Length: 109.2mm
Description:
This new Pistol from Kel Tec is considered to be a reliable firearm, as long as appropriate ammunition is used. The manufacturer specifies that lower-quality ammunition will result in rather frequent failures to fire, and the same has been reported by owners. The .22WMR round is by no means high-powered, but the 30-round capacity of the magazine and the low recoil make up for that. This is a loud weapon due to the combination of a short barrel and the .22WMR round.

Real Life Pic:
http://www.keltecweapons.com/uploaded_files/ourguns/gallery/b_d62e8d550272feb44770bd9bb097c379PMR1.jpg

JA2 Art (1st try, not happy with it. It is too washed out):
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/PMR-30.jpg

And here is my second try. I think this one is much better as a sprite:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/PMR-30new.jpg

And here's the final version of the PMR-30, please use it in 1.13. It is such a fun pistol!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/PMR-30new-1.jpg

[Updated on: Thu, 12 July 2012 10:48] by Moderator

Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268923] Sat, 25 December 2010 03:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The second one looks pretty good, but you may want to tone down the screw and rivet heads a little bit, they stand out a little to much. Wink

I would give you the image sizes I always used, but I can't put my hands on my notes right now. Best thing to do is just check out all 3 sizes in game to make sure they fit correctly. Smile

MM


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268924] Sat, 25 December 2010 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would agree with the screws. But yeah, they look good!

Blowback operation?
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268926] Sat, 25 December 2010 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sovereign

 
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MissingName
I would agree with the screws. But yeah, they look good!

Blowback operation?


It is a hybrid operation pistol. Depending on the pressure of the cartridge, it switches between blowback and locked-breech operation.

I'll fix the screws and the grip squares (they also stand out a bit too much).

I've fixed the image and I am pretty happy with the final version. Now...what to sprite next? Aha! NAA Black Widow .22WMR and then the AR-10!

Is there documentation about the sizes of images used for items in JA2?
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268930] Sat, 25 December 2010 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sovereign
Is there documentation about the sizes of images used for items in JA2?

You my want to use STI-Edit to open some STI-files and look for the maximum values yourself.

Like Marlboro Man, I am away from all my documents at the moment, but I believe the maximum Y-value of interface pics is 23 pixels. Maximum x-value may be 26 pixels, but my memory may be faulty here...


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268932] Sat, 25 December 2010 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sovereign

 
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Sovereign
Is there documentation about the sizes of images used for items in JA2?

You my want to use STI-Edit to open some STI-files and look for the maximum values yourself.

Like Marlboro Man, I am away from all my documents at the moment, but I believe the maximum Y-value of interface pics is 23 pixels. Maximum x-value may be 26 pixels, but my memory may be faulty here...


All these tools seem to be in German or Polish, or maybe I am not finding the right place to download stuff from. Even if they have a localization file in the download, they default to German or Polish and I can't figure out how to make them switch.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268933] Sat, 25 December 2010 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sovereign

 
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Well, I borrowed the pistol image dimensions from the image pack of another thread (here), so I hope my pistols are usable this way. I can't really figure out the STI Editor in a language I don't know Sad

Well, here is the next one:
Weapon Name: North American Arms Black Widow
Type: Mini-Revolver
Caliber: .22WMR
Cylinder Capacity: 5 rounds
Weight (Empty): 249.5gr
Weight (Loaded): Couldn't find info on the weight of a single .22WMR round, but it would be the empty weight plus five rounds Smile
Barrel Length: 50.8mm
Action: Single Action
Description:
The .22WMR Black Widow is a hold-out revolver for concealed carry. It is small, light, reliable and there is even a version with adjustable sights. It sacrifices pretty much everything for its small size and weight - There is no trigger-guard and the grip is relatively small. Still, it is considered comfortable to shoot (unless the shooter has really big hands) and has little recoil. It is very loud and has a large muzzle flash when fired because of its short barrel.

Real Life Pic:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/preacherspulpit/Guns/BW1_800.jpg

JA2 Art:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/NAABlackWidow.jpg
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268937] Sat, 25 December 2010 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marlboro Man

 
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Your final PMR-30 looks really good. Wink


Have you checked out this nice tutorial? It gives the basics and is a good tutorial. Smile

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191650#Post191650


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268938] Sat, 25 December 2010 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sovereign

 
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Marlboro Man
Your final PMR-30 looks really good. Wink

Have you checked out this nice tutorial? It gives the basics and is a good tutorial. Smile

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=191650#Post191650


Thanks and thanks! I'll try following it tomorrow and put the guns into 1.13 to make sure they actually work.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268939] Sat, 25 December 2010 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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made a pdf from that some time ago
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #268940] Sat, 25 December 2010 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The next one!

Weapon Name: ArmaLite AR-10
Type: Battle Rifle
Caliber: 7.62x51mm
Magazine Capacity: 20 rounds
Rate of Fire: 700rpm
Muzzle Velocity: 820m/sec
Effective Range: Up to 630m
Weight (Empty): 3.29kg
Weight (Loaded): 4.06kg
Barrel Length: 528mm
Total Length: 1.05m
Operating Mechanism: Direct-impingement gas operation with rotating bolt.
Description:
The AR-10 is probably best-known as the design which was transformed into the AR-15 platform (which is essentially a scaled down AR-10). The AR-10 fires the more powerful 7.62x51mm round and was one of the competitors of the M14 prototype (known as the T44) for a new US Army battle rifle in the late 1950s. However, the original AR-10 was too radical for the US Army of the time, despite its advantages: It was lighter than other battle rifles due to the materials used in its construction (and still is, in many cases) and due to its in-line stock it was also more controllable on full-auto (but it was still a challenge to fire bursts with any degree of accuracy). An incident with an exploding barrel (the original design had a special Aluminum/Steel composite barrel which failed during testing) did little to persuade the army that the design had merit.

After the AR-10 lost the US Army contract to the M14 it fell into relative obscurity. The manufacturing rights were sold to a Dutch manufacturing company which made around 10,000 of these rifles for militaries around the world during the early 1960s. The end of the 20th century has seen a resurgence of the AR-10 design and many weapons in the AR-10 style have begun to appear. These include the KAC SR-25, the ArmaLite AR-10B and many others.

Compared to the M14, the AR-10 is lighter and more controllable on full-auto because the in-line stock helps counter muzzle-climb. It does, however, suffer from the same problems as the M16 platform and needs to be properly maintained to function reliably. In the absence of care, the direct impingement gas system will eventually foul up the action and the rifle will jam often. The plastic parts (such as the pistol grip and front hand-guards) are also more prone to being damaged by the rifle being mishandled, thrown or stepped on.

Real Life Pic (This is original AR-10 version, without the more familiar AR-15 style cocking handle found on modern AR-10 style rifles):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Ar-10.jpg/300px-Ar-10.jpg

JA2 Art:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/AR-10.jpg

Revised JA2 Art (Changed the coloring of the plastic parts a bit):
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/AR-10-1.jpg
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #269064] Wed, 29 December 2010 01:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ar-10 looks nice, I just have one question - why this weapon have wooden-looking parts ? it was for contract reasons ?
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #269184] Fri, 31 December 2010 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Czert
Ar-10 looks nice, I just have one question - why this weapon have wooden-looking parts ? it was for contract reasons ?


It is just the color of the plastic/fiberglass used to make it. There were AR-10s with all black plastic as well as others. Modern AR-10s are made in nearly every color imaginable. The pic I used for this one is based off the AR-10s sold to Sudan, so I am just guessing that the brownish parts offer better camouflage in a desert setting.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #270961] Sat, 22 January 2011 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Weapon Name: KS-23
Type: Riot Shotgun
Caliber: 4 gauge (23mm)
Magazine Capacity: 3 rounds, tubular magazine.
Muzzle Velocity: ???
Effective Range: 10-25m with Buckshot rounds, around 40-50 with less-than-lethal rounds, 100-200 meters with steel slugs and various grenades.
Weight (Empty): 3.85kg
Weight (Loaded): 4.06kg
Barrel Length: 510mm
Total Length: 1.04m
Operating Mechanism: Pump-Action.
Description:
The KS-23 Riot Shotgun was devised in the 1970s as a flexible firearm which could be used for lethal, less-than-lethal and non-lethal dispersal of prison riots. This very large caliber shotgun (23mm, or 4 gauge) was originally made from 23mm anti-aircraft cannon barrels which were discarded due to manufacturing defects. The lower pressures of the 23mm cartridges used in the KS-23 meant that sub-standard cannon barrels could be cut down, made thinner, and still be used in a combat weapon. The weapon is capable of firing buckshot rounds, steel slugs and an assortment of grenades (most of which are various types of tear gas canisters). Due to the origin of the barrels used the KS-23 is one of the few shotguns which have rifled barrels and this gives it good accuracy when firing slug and grenade ammunition. The naming scheme of the KS-23 is strange, because it is called a "Special Carbine" ("Karabin Spetzalniy, 23") due to its rifled barrel, but in all other respects it is a shotgun type weapon. The damage caused by a slug fired from the KS-23 is impressive and is capable of smashing through a car engine-block (a role the shotgun is used for in roadblocks), but the low magazine capacity and the slow reloading of the tubular magazine means that the operator needs to be very careful with his shot placement.

Real weapon image:
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/shotgun/sh30/ks23-1.jpg
JA2 picture:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/KS-23.png
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #270965] Sat, 22 January 2011 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How are the rear sights on this bad boy? Front sight looks like it could work. If the sights are no good, you won't be able to get much past 80 meters, even at 50 it will be spotty (some misses).


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #270968] Sat, 22 January 2011 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sovereign

 
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How are the rear sights on this bad boy? Front sight looks like it could work. If the sights are no good, you won't be able to get much past 80 meters, even at 50 it will be spotty (some misses).


The sights are a simple [] | [] arrangement. Granted, I haven't fired a KS-23 (I bet this thing has a hell of a kick), but I've fired plenty of (full length) weapons over plain iron sights and at 100m such sights are quite sufficient to smack a chest sized target. Again, at least in my experience. The info for this weapon was collected online, so I'll have to believe what I read when describing it here.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #271402] Thu, 27 January 2011 01:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now for the next toy, and this is an interesting one indeed. Not only it is quite special in its action, it also looks like an evil space gun, was featured in more than one Anime (as itself, or in a derivative form) and it shoots .454 Casull. Couldn't resist spriting this one!

Weapon Name: Mateba Model 6 Unica
Type: Large Semi-Automatic Revolver
Action: Recoil-Operated Single-Action
Calibers: .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .454 Casull
Barrel Length: 76mm (3"), 102mm (4"), 127mm (5"), 152mm (6"), 205mm (8").
Weapon Length: 199mm (with 3" barrel), 225mm (with 4" barrel), 250mm (with 5" barrel), 275mm (with 6" barrel), 326mm (with 8" barrel)
Cylinder Capacity: 6 rounds
Weight (Empty): 1.2kg - 1.5kg, depending on barrel length and caliber.
Weight (Loaded): 1.35kg - 1.7kg, depending on barrel length and caliber.

Description:
The Mateba Model 6 Unica is defined as a "Semi-Automatic, Single-Action Revolver" and this is not a typo. When fired, the barrel of this large revolver recoils backwards 22mm and pushes the cylinder and hammer backwards. This cocks the hammer and on the forward motion the cylinder is rotated, aligning the next round with the barrel. The first shot can be fired either in double-action or single-action modes, after which the semi-automatic recoil-operated mechanism will ensure that the following rounds are fired in a single action. This weapon is unique as the only modern semi-automatic revolver to reach production (The Webley-Fosbery Revolver is another semi-automatic revolver which was manufactured before the first world war), and offers the advantages and the disadvantages of both semi-automatic pistols and revolvers. Another uncommon feature is the fact that the Unica fires from the lowest cylinder position (the six o'clock) rather than from the much more common top position.

Since the Unica combines the features of both semi-automatic pistols and revolvers it is large and heavy. It also has both the advantages and the disadvantages of both handgun types: For example, like all revolvers, it is slower to reload than a magazine-fed pistol and like semi-automatic handguns underpowered rounds can cause its action to fail to cycle (The .357 version will chamber and fire .38 Special, but fail to cycle. The same is true of the .454 Casull version firing the .45 Long Colt cartridge). However, due to its revolver nature, the weapon can still be used as either a double-action or a single-action revolver without any issues even with underpowered rounds (additionally, special recoil springs can be installed for semi-automatic firing of weaker cartridges). Failures to fire are also simpler to handle than in a semi-automatic pistol: By simply pulling the trigger a double-action will fire the next round very quickly (and without the need for the shooter to use his second hand).

The low position of the barrel reduces muzzle climb due to recoil and the massive weight of the Unica makes it a "relatively tame" handgun (as far as hand cannons go), even when chambered in .454 Casull. It is also reported to be an accurate weapon and its relatively low perceived recoil makes a quick follow-up shot possible (especially in the "weaker" .357 chambering) because the target can be re-acquired quickly. The rear sight of the Unica is fixed while the front sight is adjustable and this allows changing barrels while retaining zero on each individual one. A scope/accessory rail can be attached to the barrel assembly in order to utilize a variety of scopes and other attachments.

Maintenance on this weapon is important due to its hybrid design, as is ammunition quality. When properly maintained and using proper ammunition, however, its owners report that it is a reliable firearm. Parts for this handgun are hard to come by, since the weapon is no longer in production and only a few thousand were made over its production life (1997-2005).

Real weapon picture (.454 with 8" barrel and a 2x scope):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3823704995_5f4b9aa8df_z.jpg
JA2 art (.454 with 8" barrel with accessory rail):
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/MatebaUnica6.png

Weapon Name: Mateba Grifone
Type: Semi-Automatic Revolver Carbine
Action: Recoil-Operated Single-Action
Calibers: .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .454 Casull
Barrel Length: 457mm (18")
Weapon Length: 760mm
Cylinder Capacity: 6 rounds
Weight (Empty): 3kg
Weight (Loaded): 3.15kg-3.2kg, depending on caliber.

Description:
The Mateba Grifone is a carbine conversion of the Mateba Model 6 Unica semi-automatic revolver. By replacing the barrel assembly with an 18" barrel with handguard, and attaching a metal stock, the handgun is transformed into a pistol-caliber carbine. The .454 version is reportedly accurate out to 300 yards and makes this Mateba into a powerful hunting rifle.

Real weapon picture:
http://www.cybershooters.org/shotpics/Mateba%20rifle.jpg
JA2 art:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/Direwolf007/MatebaGrifone.png
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #271437] Thu, 27 January 2011 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wait, it actually is a revolver? I thought it was a gas-operated monster.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #271444] Thu, 27 January 2011 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wait, it actually is a revolver? I thought it was a gas-operated monster.


Nope, like I said, it is a recoil-operated revolver. Still a monster, though Smile

Here's a gallery of pretty pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/impulselabs/sets/72157622168481149/with/2983667400/

There is a carbine version I think I'll sprite too. It uses a 18" barrel and adds a wooden or folding stock. The Grifone was added above.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #274821] Tue, 01 March 2011 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sovereign, some recent bug fixes have left me with two excess weapon items in UC-1.13, and I am hoping to obtain use your permission to use your artwork for the Mateba Model 6 Unica and related carbine as part of redeveloping those two weapon indexes. Notwithstanding the slight implausibility of seeing .454 Casull on the battlefield (well its only available via. "sporting goods outlets" in my mods), it would be good to expand the number of weapons in this calibre, especially as the magazine items already exist.


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #275723] Mon, 14 March 2011 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wil473, go ahead and use them. I'm actually flattered anyone thinks they are good enough to be used in any mods, thanks!
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #275729] Mon, 14 March 2011 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you. Right now I don't want to add any guns unless they are particularly unique, or make use of the existing "fun" calibres/mags. Your Mateba's happen to be both. I did a bit of trimming to the outlines, but otherwise they don't look out of place.

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Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307265] Thu, 12 July 2012 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A small bump to let people know I am back in business. If you've a weapon you want a sprite of, let me know.
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307283] Thu, 12 July 2012 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Sovereign,

I don't know if you are also interested in reworking existing guns, but in case you are can I ask you for another variant of the Thompson M1A1 submachine gun (maybe a less "wooden" model)?

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4697/thompsong.jpg

I would be happy to use it in the future Vengeance: Reloaded mod then.

Thank you for your time!


Best regards; Schein


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307285] Thu, 12 July 2012 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Sovereign,

I don't know if you are also interested in reworking existing guns, but in case you are can I ask you for another variant of the Thompson M1A1 submachine gun (maybe a less "wooden" model)?

I would be happy to use it in the future Vengeance: Reloaded mod then.

Thank you for your time!

Best regards; Schein
Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307304] Fri, 13 July 2012 02:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scheinworld

 
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Hello Sovereign,

first thank you for your quick answer and your general interest in this!

Sovereign
Do you have a picture of a variant you'd like?


Please excuse, but I'm not at home at the moment and presumably for the next days too and I have just a very bad internet connection here with my surfstick so I can not google for a suitable picture of the Thompson M1A1 now.

Well, I'm far away from it in being a gun expert and I don't know good sources with authentic information/pictures about guns, but I remember that I've seen a variant of the Thompson M1A1 somewhere in the deep of the www (but I don't know were it was?) which had not such a wooden II.WW look and appeared as a more modern gun in cool black metal look. Smile

Maybe one of our gun specialists here has an idea what I'm talking about and has a suitable picture?

Otherwise I will google for it in the next week when I have a better internet again, okay?

Thanks again!


Best regards; Schein


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307305] Fri, 13 July 2012 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Something like this?

http://i.imgur.com/mnNzA.jpg

Pretty sure that's airsoft though.

Then there's the 1927A-1 Commando in semi-auto. Wink

http://i.imgur.com/0Bu3P.png

Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307536] Mon, 16 July 2012 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scheinworld

 
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Hello,

Slax is probably right with his assumption and the black variant of the Thompson M1A1 I've seen was most likely airsoft.

Well, I googled many pictures last night and I still think the existing pictures of the Tommy gun could need some improvements. Here are the best pictures from my research:

http://www.nramuseum.com/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/46184/01205_r.jpg

Source: The National Firearms Museum


And another one:

http://i5.tinypic.com/2m47ldv.jpg


And here in action Wink

http://17.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv2wn2tucW1qau78ho1_500.jpg

Especially the wooden parts (walnut?) in these pics look much darker (and more naturally!) than in the Thompson M1A1 we are using in current v1.13 I think.

@ Sovereign: I don't know if you are still interested in that, but in case you are I still would be interested to see an improved version of the Thompson M1A1 in game and use it in the final mod of course. Smile


Best regards; Schein


Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307537] Mon, 16 July 2012 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,
Slax is probably right with his assumption and the black variant of the Thompson M1A1 I've seen was most likely airsoft.
There's at least one real, tacticool Thompson around, not sure if it was based on an M1 or an M1928.
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/sons-of-guns/photos/images/weapons-tommy-gun-1.jpg

PS: The first one by Slax looks ridiculous, the AR-15 front post doesn't even line up with the rearsight and what's the point anyway if you put an optic on it? :biglaugh:

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Re: Sovereign's Gun Art[message #307569] Mon, 16 July 2012 23:52 Go to previous message
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That would be a 1928 if it's using a drum. The M1 and M1A1 versions didn't allow drum mags...


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