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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292672]

Mon, 24 October 2011 16:43

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Hehe... well thanks!

But that would rob me of my hard labour! Wink

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292673]

Mon, 24 October 2011 16:50

DepressivesBrot

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

Ask smeagol though, he doesn't like it when people release altered versions of his mod without him knowing before.

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Captain

Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292684]

Mon, 24 October 2011 19:30

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

I can inform you that I have a MAM homepage as of now. There you can follow my latest developments:

MAM homepage

[Updated on: Mon, 24 October 2011 19:31] by Moderator

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292703]

Tue, 25 October 2011 04:28

Sandro

Messages:420
Registered:November 2008
Location: Mars

I kinda missed this whole thing until now. Gotta say.. thiz iz a seriouz sh*t right here, man!
The entire thread was fruitful to read. I hope this will go to main 1.13 trunk soon.
And I really hope the AIMNAS+MAM merge will come up soon too.

Good job.

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Master Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292717]

Tue, 25 October 2011 10:56

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Thank for the positive feedback!

AIMNAS+MAM merge will only happen if agree to it.
And I haven't made up my mind yet.

No offence, but you can always backstab me and steal my work and do it anyway, but it will be kinda hard to implement new weapons with out all my formulas that are stored in my CalcChart.:nails:
I have my secrets well hidden. :shower:

I have nothing personal against AIMNAS, I have played some and it's great. And it is not a competition. But it's kinda hard for the baby dragon to be seen/recognised behind the big daddy dragon.

Get my point. Smile

Thanks though for all your positive comments! Smile

[Updated on: Tue, 25 October 2011 11:09] by Moderator

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292722]

Tue, 25 October 2011 12:11

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Yo MJOne, I did not read the entire thread, quick question, does your system reduce bullet damage based on range e.g. the further a bullet flies, the less damage it will do? If yes, does it account for weapon range? As a 7.62 (or 9mm) fired from a longer barrel will have more energy, fly further and do more damage.

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292724]

Tue, 25 October 2011 12:25

JAsmine

Messages:306
Registered:May 2011

MAM Features

Weapon barrel length will increase range since the speed of the bullet will be greater in a longer barrel.

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292727]

Tue, 25 October 2011 12:33

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Neat! The idea is to make the sniper rifles - which have a range greater than the map - more useful as their damage will not decrease (much), hope MJOne included that as well.

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292740]

Tue, 25 October 2011 16:59

Sandro

Messages:420
Registered:November 2008
Location: Mars

I think that cannot be done through xml editting. Coding required, I guess.
What JAsmine said means something different than what you mean, Deiter.

Btw. Since it's not compatible with AIMNAS, is it compatible with just WF maps?

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292756]

Wed, 26 October 2011 11:08

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Another thing I though of today, match ammo should improve the accuracy of the rifle and make it easier to hot targets further away, but it should not increase the range of the gun. A 5.56x45 168 grain bullet flies the same distance no matter if it is match grade or not, it will just be almost impossible to hit something at e.g. 1000 yards if the ammo is crap as the deviation will be larger than the target area.

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292777]

Wed, 26 October 2011 19:28

Starwalker

Messages:759
Registered:October 2005
Location: Hannover, Germany

Dieter

Another thing I though of today, match ammo should improve the accuracy of the rifle and make it easier to hot targets further away, but it should not increase the range of the gun. A 5.56x45 168 grain bullet flies the same distance no matter if it is match grade or not, it will just be almost impossible to hit something at e.g. 1000 yards if the ammo is crap as the deviation will be larger than the target area.

We did it with the range instead of accuracy for this reason: accuracy in the old CTH system is a flat bonus to hit, which match ammo should not provide at the shorter ranges. Extending range just means that range penalties kick in later, without providing a bonus at short ranges.

I already posted a diagram that shows this a year or more ago.

EDIT: Found it:
http://ja2.h758491.serverkompetenz.net/Starwalker/pictures/Matchrange.gif[/image]

[Updated on: Wed, 26 October 2011 19:32] by Moderator

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292786]

Thu, 27 October 2011 11:20

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

I remember looking at these quite some time ago Starwalker, I really liked them.

Did you work on burst versus full auto as well? Currently it feels aimed short full auto tends to miss more than an aimed burst, or is that just my perception?

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Re: MAM 2.4.3 - Calculated Damage, Penetration, Tumble characteristics for all calibers ingame.[message #292800]

Fri, 28 October 2011 00:44

Starwalker

Messages:759
Registered:October 2005
Location: Hannover, Germany

Dieter

Did you work on burst versus full auto as well? Currently it feels aimed short full auto tends to miss more than an aimed burst, or is that just my perception?

No, I did not. I do not like the idea of an /aimed/ burst or /aimed/ fullauto.

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First Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #293012]

Thu, 03 November 2011 01:33

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Darnit!

Im throwing in the towel here, I need your help guys! :heavy:

Maybe you have seen on my MAM homepage that im about to add retail ammo boxes for all ammunitions in the 2.5 patch.
I made a test with the 7.62x54R ammo boxes for every type in that caliber. I made them hold 20 rounds.

They didn't show up in Bobby's even though I added them in the xml editor and in the NPCinventory. So I thought maybe they need a weapon that fits that 20 round box. As a pseudo hidden weapon, just to force the boxes to show up. They didnt show up...

I have no idea why it is so atm, maybe I have forgotten something, does anyone now anything about this?

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Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #293022]

Thu, 03 November 2011 09:37

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

I have not modded XMLs for the ammo boxes myself, however I played AIMNAS and UC-113, which both have lots of ammo boxes, maybe looking at their XMLs can give you a clue how this works. (Just don't use the 500 round ammo boxes, they are unrealistic and also heavy.)

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Sergeant Major

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #293028]

Thu, 03 November 2011 11:53

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Thanks Dieter! Smile

Good Idea, I will check that out ASAP! Smile

No I wont, I will add similair ammo boxes as they are in real life like, 50/40/30/10 rounds etc....

Thanks again!

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Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #293039]

Thu, 03 November 2011 15:03

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Hehu!

Looks like I fixed it... and I don't know how. Smile

The ammo boxes had a coolness value of 0, I increased it to 1 and that seems to have done the trick.

Atleast thats all I did. Smile

Thanks anyways!

[Updated on: Thu, 03 November 2011 15:03] by Moderator

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #293059]

Fri, 04 November 2011 08:21

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

MJOne

Looks like I fixed it... and I don't know how.

Ha, ha, ha, that is ok, as long as it works it will be fine!

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Sergeant Major

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #295539]

Tue, 20 December 2011 17:26

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Hi all!

Sorry for not being as active here atm as I used to...

But I have made 6 new ammoboxes today! You can see them here:

MAM Homepage

Have a nice day everyone and thanks for showing interest!
/MJOne

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #295816]

Tue, 27 December 2011 21:57

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Added two more ammo boxes today!

You can view them here!

Have a nice day!

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #295828]

Wed, 28 December 2011 00:19

PasHancock

Messages:720
Registered:February 2011
Location: Estonia,Tallinn

good job

i think your Calculated Damage,
Penetration, Tumble
characteristics for all calibers
ingame should be in official 1.13

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First Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #295950]

Thu, 29 December 2011 21:25

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Hi everyone!

I hope everyone have enjoyed a good holiday!

They are here!

Here are two new ammoboxes!

Enjoy!

/MJOne

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #295952]

Thu, 29 December 2011 22:19

Slax

Messages:1411
Registered:July 2006
Location: People riding polar bears...

The 9x18 boxes look more like TV remotes. :coffee:

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Sergeant Major

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #295991]

Fri, 30 December 2011 16:00

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Thank you PasHancock!

Thats very kind of you to say, well I hope that will become a reality as well!
That would make alot of fuzz alot less fuzzy!

The mega problem now is that a slight change in any of the files like the new 1.13 patch, will make my life a living hell. I have to redo the whole mod. That means, changing every value on every weapon all over again. I won't do that in a while.

Thanks for the feedback!

Have a nice one!
/MJOne

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #296043]

Sat, 31 December 2011 19:23

elenhil

Messages:64
Registered:June 2008

Does it mean that there's no way to apply MAM to HAM 5?

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Corporal

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #296049]

Sat, 31 December 2011 20:41

Soren

Messages:13
Registered:December 2011

They're compatible. I use MAM 2.4.5 as a base, then slap HAM 5 over that.

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Private

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #296475]

Mon, 09 January 2012 23:20

Soren

Messages:13
Registered:December 2011

Bug Report:
Recently, I've gotten to Meduna, and I believe you've forgotten to change the ammo values for HE and HEAT - my LAWS are useless. Conventional explosives, 40mm Grenades, and hand grenades work, but 5 LAWs rockets later all I have is lots of scrap, and no damage to the tanks.

I believe this is because while penetration values for most ammo and armor values were changed, HE/HEAT was not. Not sure if RPG ammo is also affected, but it probably is.

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Private

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #296742]

Sun, 15 January 2012 16:06

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

I have not touched HE/HEAT nor any rocket weapons. Sorry. That must be something else.

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Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #296797]

Mon, 16 January 2012 05:57

Soren

Messages:13
Registered:December 2011

That's kinda my point - I know you increased the absolute values for armor, and without a corresponding increase in HE/Rocket weapons, they do less penetration than bullets.

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Private

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298130]

Wed, 08 February 2012 13:56

RasterOps

Messages:48
Registered:July 2004
Location: Tempe, Az. USA

OK so I installed 2.4.5 and there were some errors when JA2 started, maybe I did something wrong? The following missing properties were added from the build 4870 original files.

Toggle Spoiler

The second problem I encountered relates to hiring AIM mercs. While the property USE_NEW_STARTING_GEAR_INTERFACE is set to TRUE, I don't get any gear kit choices.

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Corporal

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298139]

Wed, 08 February 2012 15:26

Sam Hotte

Messages:1966
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

At least the options.ini issues are due to MAM being made for previous release 4552. I guess it should be safe to just add the missing options in the ini (they were inventzed with new release 4870) to resolve those.

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Sergeant Major

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298154]

Wed, 08 February 2012 17:51

RasterOps

Messages:48
Registered:July 2004
Location: Tempe, Az. USA

This next one may not be a bug but a setting I am not aware of. I just noticed the stats don't appear to show the training/improvement progress now. Also skill training seems amazingly fast despite the settings being JA2 defaults (25). ~~For instance, Danny is completing 1 point of marksmanship training per hour. Similar for Ira who is training leadership.~~ OK, the first point for Danny was after the 2nd hour. IRA & Buns gained a point of leadership after 6 hours. My IMP gained a point of leadership after 7 hours. That still seems fast. Danny can be explained as having progressed from a recent battle. Regardless, there is no indication of training progress.

Oh and resolution is 1024x768. I'll try 800x600.

Nope. Skill and attribute section background is black as night.

[Updated on: Wed, 08 February 2012 21:00] by Moderator

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Corporal

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298187]

Wed, 08 February 2012 22:47

Sam Hotte

Messages:1966
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

Do check in the _options.ini for something like:

STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_RED 	 = 0
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_GREEN = 0
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_BLUE  = 255

If they are all set to zero the progress bar will be displayed black on black ... Wink

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Sergeant Major

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298195]

Thu, 09 February 2012 00:51

Blue_Fox

Messages:539
Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

Sam_Hotte

Do check in the _options.ini for something like:
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_RED 	 = 0
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_GREEN = 0
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_BLUE  = 255
If they are all set to zero the progress bar will be displayed black on black ...

This is Off Topic, but very interesting Very Happy

Totaly black and you not know how many enemies still to face Smile

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First Sergeant

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298197]

Thu, 09 February 2012 01:31

RasterOps

Messages:48
Registered:July 2004
Location: Tempe, Az. USA

Well I've played numerous times using build 4870, so I have a feel for skill progression and was always checking the progress. After installing MAM 2.4.5 the skill and attribute progress is no longer shown. Seems like a bug or at the very least a configuration problem with MAM. Anyway, my stat colors are:

STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_RED 		= 140
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_GREEN 	= 90
STAT_PROGRESS_BARS_BLUE 	= 20

Seems there may be some confusion so I captured an image:

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac5/RasterOps/Jagged%20Alliance%202/ja2noProgress.jpg

You'd never know it but a squad of Militia are about to complete training.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac5/RasterOps/Jagged%20Alliance%202/ja2noMilitiaProgress.jpg

Here's another minor glitch I noticed.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac5/RasterOps/Jagged%20Alliance%202/ja2lootingDialogAmmo.jpg

I have also seen some ammo types, 7.62x25 FMJ for instance, when placed on the ground appear to be one tile to the NW.

[Updated on: Thu, 09 February 2012 05:57] by Moderator

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Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298264]

Thu, 09 February 2012 17:13

DepressivesBrot

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

In case your ini is lacking the comments, this is what's supposed to be right above the color settings:

;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Change the color of the Stat Progress Bars shown on your character's information panel.
;
; The bars can be turned off completely using the in-game Options Menu.
;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The option is on the third column, so click 'Next' to get it.

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Captain

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #298274]

Thu, 09 February 2012 18:02

RasterOps

Messages:48
Registered:July 2004
Location: Tempe, Az. USA

Damn... I looked there... I did! I don't know how that got turned off. I even looked again through the entire JA2Options.ini.

I hoped it was something simple. Thanx man... I'm a little embarrassed. It is working now.

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Corporal

Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #299015]

Wed, 15 February 2012 10:27

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

Good it worked out for you RaterOps!

As for MAM 2.5, it is not dead, it's just that I have alot on my plate right now.

It's on ice until I get an opening...

Im sorry that the new patch/build for ja 1.13 is fracking up your game. But it is a hell of a work to fix it. I have to go through almost every item in the game and change all the stats that this mod affects everytime there is a new build. And I just won't right now, Im sorry. It takes weeks.

It would be better though if MAM(the ballistic part of it) was incorporated in the ja 1.13 build.
Would make my work alot easier...

Anyways...

Have a nice one!

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Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #299030]

Wed, 15 February 2012 12:41

MJOne

Messages:100
Registered:March 2010
Location: Sweden

I have now completed all the graphics for the ammoboxes!

MAM Homepage - Development

Now I just have to make them appear ingame... zugh, zugh! Smile

Enjoy!

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Re: MAM 2.4.5 - Caliber driven damage, penetration and tumble values - RELEASE![message #299090]

Wed, 15 February 2012 22:26

RasterOps

Messages:48
Registered:July 2004
Location: Tempe, Az. USA

MJOne

Im sorry that the new patch/build for ja 1.13 is fracking up your game. But it is a hell of a work to fix it. I have to go through almost every item in the game and change all the stats that this mod affects everytime there is a new build. And I just won't right now, Im sorry. It takes weeks.

I understand. I made several changes that I wanted to keep in Weapons.xml and had to merge them with yours. Whew.

Speaking of graphics I also noticed many are too large for the defined display areas and especially in Bobby Rays's shopping screen where they tend to overlap other items.

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