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Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278964] Sat, 30 April 2011 13:54 Go to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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I use JA 2 Gold with SCI_113Beta_r4057_20110116.

I'd really like to play a sneaky, melee/hth guy but it seems rarely applicably since most of the APs are wasted on bridging the distance to the enemies. Then you get shot at and lose even more APs due to life loss and suppression. The only areas where hth/melee seems somewhat possible is on urban maps or indoors, where the distances are smaller and where it is possible to hide behind walls and let the enemies approach you so they waste their APs on walking.

So if it is possible to play a melee/hth character without changing the original settings of the mod I'd like to know how. I usually play on the preset "experienced" difficulty level.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278965] Sat, 30 April 2011 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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Play at night Smile
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278967] Sat, 30 April 2011 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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Blue_Fox
Play at night Smile


That I do, of course. But either they hear me or simply turn around and see me before I can reach them or there are, as most of the times, multiple enemies and it is simply impossible to sneak up on them without being noticed.

Melee/hth seems to me to be a secondary combat skill at best but you have to devote your skill slots to it if you want to be any good at it which leaves you without room for a ranged combat skill.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278986] Sat, 30 April 2011 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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Well yes, fighting HTH or with bladed weapons somewhat went out of fashion the last three centuries for a reason (IIRC some 2% of all combat casualties in WWII were caused by non-firearms). So, when you find it rather impossible to kill someone armed with a rifle, SMG or similar weapon with bare hands or a knife in JA it shows that the game is more realistical than most movies.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278994] Sat, 30 April 2011 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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I love sneaking.
My Character has changed into a Stealth/Athletic/Throwing.
So have have less bonus for melee/Hth, but the chance for instand kill by throwing a knife is bigger.
So when there are some close, and can't knock them both out, one has to die sooner Razz

Force Combat mode ones a while Ctrl-X and use middle mouse to look around.

Take a good position and give it a turn, maybe you get a better opporunity.

[Updated on: Sat, 30 April 2011 19:59] by Moderator

Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278995] Sat, 30 April 2011 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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Buns
Well yes, fighting HTH or with bladed weapons somewhat went out of fashion the last three centuries for a reason (IIRC some 2% of all combat casualties in WWII were caused by non-firearms). So, when you find it rather impossible to kill someone armed with a rifle, SMG or similar weapon with bare hands or a knife in JA it shows that the game is more realistical than most movies.


It's a video game, not WW2. There are plenty of things very unrealistic in JA2. I don't think there were very many people in WW2 who got several headshots and walked away just fine after a little first aid and a couple of days rest in the wilderness. Maybe in some regards JA2 is more realistic than some over the top shoot 'em up movies but in other regards it is quite unrealistic. It's still a video game and does not claim to be a realistic combat simulation.

So I guess the melee/hth skills aren't real alternatives to a gun skill in JA2. Is it at least possible to win JA2 1.13 on experienced or higher without a gun skill if you choose martial arts or melee and use guns where necessary without a gun skill, just a high marksmanship?

Edit(saw your post just now):

Blue_Fox
I love sneaking.
My Character has changed into a Stealth/Athletic/Throwing.
So have have less bonus for melee/Hth, but the chance for instand kill by throwing a knife is bigger.
So when there are some close, and can't knock them both out, one has to die sooner Razz

Force Combat mode ones a while Ctrl-X and use middle mouse to look around.

Take a good position and give it a turn, maybe you get a better opporunity.


Thanks, I saw athletics got a little nerfed since one of the more recent versions and gives now only 25% AP bonus on movement. Throwing seems to be quite good and shuriken have a good range with a high strength and low AP costs as well but I suppose the critical hit chance is lower than it is in vanilla JA2. But I'm not sure, it's just my experience, that I didn't get as many critical hits with throwing knives as in vanilla JA2.

[Updated on: Sat, 30 April 2011 20:55] by Moderator

Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278997] Sat, 30 April 2011 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JMich

 
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TheAnyKey
I don't think there were very many people in WW2 who got several headshots and walked away just fine after a little first aid and a couple of days rest in the wilderness.
Simo H
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #278998] Sat, 30 April 2011 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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'Gun skills' help, but they certainly are not necessary. This isn't [random MMORPG] where your character must have blunt weapons skill 5 just to hold the mighty 'Hammer of Muffins' in his hands.


Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279001] Sat, 30 April 2011 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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Only 25% AP bonus for running is much. And you loose less energy too, so you can run alot.
Hit & Run Smile
I had a Melee & HtH Character, but in my opinion, for my gameplay style, is Stealth & Athletic a must.
And my IMP with strength 69 knocks with Nunchaku's down mostly in 2 hits, not need the HtH bonus for that. But then, wothout Melee, Knifingis more harder.
But then, every skill has its advantange.
I tried most everything.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279003] Sat, 30 April 2011 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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DepressivesBrot
'Gun skills' help, but they certainly are not necessary. This isn't [random MMORPG] where your character must have blunt weapons skill 5 just to hold the mighty 'Hammer of Muffins' in his hands.


Sure but if I'm informed correctly the enemies do also have skills, just like the player characters. So you would at least be in a disadvantage in a shooting with gun-skilled enemies. But it's good to know that it's still doable. It should still be easier than with a knife or bare hands.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279004] Sat, 30 April 2011 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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Blue_Fox
Only 25% AP bonus for running is much. And you loose less energy too, so you can run alot.
Hit & Run Smile
I had a Melee & HtH Character, but in my opinion, for my gameplay style, is Stealth & Athletic a must.
And my IMP with strength 69 knocks with Nunchaku's down mostly in 2 hits, not need the HtH bonus for that. But then, wothout Melee, Knifingis more harder.
But then, every skill has its advantange.
I tried most everything.


Yes, 25% is still a good bonus, it was 33% before though.

Is there a time limit? My current group just spent the first 1000 days training the attributes.

[Updated on: Sat, 30 April 2011 21:30] by Moderator

Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279027] Sun, 01 May 2011 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pyg

 
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JMich
TheAnyKey
I don't think there were very many people in WW2 who got several headshots and walked away just fine after a little first aid and a couple of days rest in the wilderness.
Simo H
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279028] Sun, 01 May 2011 06:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Slax

 
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Funny how war turns proficient killers into historical heroes.

Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279044] Sun, 01 May 2011 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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Does anybody know if there's a time limit in JA2?
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279045] Sun, 01 May 2011 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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No time limit.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279046] Sun, 01 May 2011 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TheAnyKey

 
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Blue_Fox
No time limit.


Thanks Blue_Fox.
Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279073] Mon, 02 May 2011 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hawkeye

 
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I do recall taking Shadow out on night ops in the Vanilla game, and used to delight when taking out a lightly defended sector on his own. I don't think a slit to the throat being fatal is too unbelievable, but perhaps only some mercs can use a combination of specialist skills like knifing and stealth to the optimum.


Re: Is it possible to play a melee guy with the standard mod settings?[message #279102] Mon, 02 May 2011 14:27 Go to previous message
TheAnyKey

 
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Hawkeye
I do recall taking Shadow out on night ops in the Vanilla game, and used to delight when taking out a lightly defended sector on his own. I don't think a slit to the throat being fatal is too unbelievable, but perhaps only some mercs can use a combination of specialist skills like knifing and stealth to the optimum.


Yes, a knife in the neck seems quite detrimental to your health. The hard part is getting the knife to the neck, especially outdoors when there's no cover.
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