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Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #280996] Sat, 28 May 2011 01:27 Go to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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WF AIMNAS V18

It's starts getting really annoying with the New AI.

Even when knocked down or stunned him with a grenade, snipers or other enemies still shoot at Merc, even through walls!!!

Somehow this needs to be fixed. Don't know how.

Old knock down (steal gear) style aint really possible anymore.

Unconsious enemies should have closed eyes = other enemies are not aware of that action or not saw it.
Line of sight shouldn't work with unconsious enemy.

[Updated on: Sat, 28 May 2011 01:28] by Moderator

Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281082] Sat, 28 May 2011 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Even when knocked down or stunned him with a grenade, snipers or other enemies still shoot at Merc, even through walls!!!


As far as I'm aware , this has always been the case .

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Old knock down (steal gear) style aint really possible anymore.


Can you explain this more ?


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Unconsious enemies should have closed eyes = other enemies are not aware of that action or not saw it.


Don't understand this either I'm afraid ?

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Line of sight shouldn't work with unconsious enemy.


Why ? If a merc can see a body , then LOS applies , surely ?


Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281084] Sat, 28 May 2011 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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>Can you explain this more ?
It's almost unpossible to stay close to an unconsious enemy.

- I was shot by a sniper who wasn't possible to see me or that enemy. So he saw me because of the kockdown enemy. That's what i mean with closed eyes.

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>Unconsious enemies should have closed eyes = other enemies are not aware of that action or not saw it.
Don't understand this either I'm afraid ?

- As above, was once told in Vanilla style.


And shooting through walls... never noticed it before the New AI.

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>Why ? If a merc can see a body , then LOS applies , surely ?
Yes, but not in the dark 25 tiles away.

It aint happen when on a roof.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281089] Sat, 28 May 2011 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Knocked out enemies , same as your mercs , cannot 'see' you stealing or moving , so maybe another enemy was sneaking around and showing your position to sniper ?

Shooting through walls shouldn't work either due to collision detection , is it all walls or just rarely this happens ?

As for snipers shooting where they cannot actually see a merc by themselves , I agree , this shouldn't happen , how is it possible for 'blind marksmanship' to happen in real life ? 'Spotters' for grenades and mortars yes , shooting , no !

My 2 cents... Smile

Edit : Also , are you sure your/enemy merc was knocked out ? For your merc , portrait will be greyed out , enemy doesn't show this , maybe an idea to add an 'unconcious' message to game ?

[Updated on: Sat, 28 May 2011 17:28] by Moderator



Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281090] Sat, 28 May 2011 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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It is fairly possible to shoot through a couple of walls, even though chance to hit and damage inflicted that way is very low.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281091] Sat, 28 May 2011 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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So which types of walls allow this ?


Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281096] Sat, 28 May 2011 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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Of cource he was knocked out.
I specialist in knocking enemies Very Happy
I need to be close to know what weapon they have.
SOLDIER_TOOLTIP_DETAIL_LEVEL = 1

Very odd situation too is: after kill a enemy, sometimes i keep in combat mode, some times not.
When reload and cancel the operation (Razor run away in stealt mode) real time sneak still active.
Not noticed before and its not possible when reload in combat mode that a enemy rotate.

I sometimes need reload before the attack.


Walls: Sam Site near Tixa, alos some other locations.
And yes, damage is very low, but still. Fidel only wants to throw rock when aim behind wall Very Happy
How can he even see me when the enemy is knocked out.

No other enemies around.

*Edit:
Btw, can someone tell me when the Queen releases the Bugs?
Control Drassen/Cambria/Chitzena and 2 Sam sites.
Can't recall it anymore and already did a search for it.

[Updated on: Sat, 28 May 2011 18:23] by Moderator

Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281106] Sat, 28 May 2011 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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lockie
So which types of walls allow this ?
The huts in Chitzena, all barns and buildings with similar walls.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281109] Sat, 28 May 2011 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gorro der GrĂ¼ne

 
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this is not a bug it's a feature (a realistic one)
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281113] Sat, 28 May 2011 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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Yes, that's correct. Even a 5.56er rips right through concrete - not to mention what rifle ammo would do to wooden walls. I had just Ira wounded because she stood on the other side of a barn Maddog was shooting on with his MG-34 - means the bullets went through two walls.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281162] Sun, 29 May 2011 00:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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straw/timber walls ?
I didn't know that , thanks .


Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281170] Sun, 29 May 2011 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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This is also what i mean.
Alma, doors are close, no way the enemy can see Barry or Wolf.
Still shoot at them.
Can you explane me this?
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7466/walluq.jpg
*Edit

I relocate my team and what i know is when the enemy hear movement, they sometimes throw flares.
So... they shoot at location where they heard a sound too ?

[Updated on: Sun, 29 May 2011 01:23] by Moderator

Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #281245] Sun, 29 May 2011 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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I relocate my team and what i know is when the enemy hear movement, they sometimes throw flares. So... they shoot at location where they heard a sound too ?
Never had that happening. I would rather say I would exclude that because I often see enemies that definitly have heard me (shooting unsurpressed) but cannot see me. They never shoot blindly but start running circles. The only occasions I have the AI shooting without seeing is when shooting surpression fire in case another enemy has visible contact. But without any visible contact I had never seen the AI shooting.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #282366] Sun, 05 June 2011 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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I recall in that situation where was a enemy on the roof.
But he wasnt able to see me. So i assume he wnet for the noise.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #282467] Mon, 06 June 2011 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Buns

 
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There is a glitch that sometimes when climbing down from a roof you can see inside that building even when there are now windows. May be something along that line had been happening here?
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #282496] Mon, 06 June 2011 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Blue_Fox

 
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Yes, i'm aware of that annoying glitch.
But in that position he wasnt able to climb the roof, sandbags blocked.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #282573] Tue, 07 June 2011 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Requiem

 
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Is that a glitch, I thought it only happens when the walls have vents.
Re: Unconsious enemy (still get shot by sniper)[message #282575] Tue, 07 June 2011 09:40 Go to previous message
relnor

 
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i experienced it twice too. it happened in cambria mine, i was hiding behind the mine office, i knocked 1 red shirt out by punching him, 2 rounds later some dude in the building unload an entire clip on my dude by shooting through the wall. i reloaded i though it was a bug, but it happened again, so i loaded again and moved my dude 1 tile away, but still he unload a clip on barry which is on the other side of the building lol (no one saw barry except the last guy who just died 2 turns ago.
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