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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #303514]
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Mon, 16 April 2012 22:53
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I made a rather impassioned case for inclusion of the the Winchester Model 94 lever action rifle in .30-30 caliber over in the AIMNAS request thread. I don't know how to link to a specific post, sorry, I think I have the only posts that discuss the .30-30 so a quick search ought to turn it up.
In summation:
It is a very real, very popular (millions!) rifle / caliber combination. They are ubiquitous in the United States. They are also quite popular in South America, the setting for JA2's fictional Arulco, and has military application as a "scout rifle" platform when mounted with a low power (2.5-4x) scope. This is a gun highly likely to be found in the militia of a poor South American nation. My post in the AIMNAS forum has links to scope mount manufacturers, ghost ring sight sellers, and a synthetic stock "tactical" .30-30 lever action made by Mossberg - with rails even! With modern ammunition (that has eliminated the blunt nose bullet limitation) the .30-30 gives up nothing to any other intermediate range rifle caliber.
More important than the rifle really is the .30-30 cartridge itself, the most popular caliber by far in the lever action platform, and much harder hitting than any pistol-caliber (.44, .357, etc.) lever gun. In fact, the rifle could even be a Marlin 336, or Mossberg 464, etc and not the Winchester. I do like the Winchester Model 94 because the graphic is already in the XML and that particular .30-30 lever action was made in vast numbers since its introduction in 1895, 117 years ago!
I made one for my own game using the Winchester trapper graphic. Since the ballistics of the .30-30 are similar to 7.62x39mm Warsaw Pact I made it take that caliber, though it really needs it's own ammo entry. My attempts to add a caliber didn't work out so well. I will persist but I'm sure some xml whiz can knock it out in a day.
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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #303515]
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Mon, 16 April 2012 22:57
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I also agree with Wolf00 that some more revolvers are needed, but if a new caliber is called for, .45 Long Colt is a no brainer. The .454 Casull in game is a lengthened .45 LC, and is "backwards compatible," .45 LC can chamber in those guns. Not in-game, of course, but in real life.
Plus, with .45 LC we can have ambidextrous Colt Peacemakers. Yee-haw!
One more thing that bothers me. .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm guns take different ammunition. .223 and 5.56x45mm are technically (though not practically) different but the in-game effect caused by separating them as two ammo types leads to a bizarre situation where a merc cannot use ammo that really ought to fit, even in a pinch.
The same situation in real life exists with the interchangeability of .308 Winchester and 7.62x51mm ammo but JA1.13 simply uses the latter even in rifles that should be .308 in real life, such as the Steyr Scout or the Vepr-308 (which even has .308 in the name)! Come to think of it this would be a good solution for .223, get rid of it altogether and change the .223 guns to 5.56x45mm since there are only a few .223 guns relative to the number of 5.56x45mm guns. This eliminates complication and is a real-world solution a ragtag bunch of scrounging mercs would adopt anyway!
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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #303873]
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Wed, 25 April 2012 00:40
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@Wil473: I gathered some infos for you
The DB-10 is the bullpub version of the H&K SLB2000 hunting rifle.
barrel: 20"
overall length: 82cm
calibers:
.223 /5.56x45
7,62mm NATO (.308 Win)
30-06
7,92x57 IS (Mauser)
300 Win Mag
Weight: 4,6kg
Magazin sizes: 2, 5, 10
Price:
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