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Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #288688] Tue, 09 August 2011 01:28 Go to next message
Wil473

 
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Looks like Smeagol beat me to creating one of these.

As I am sharing items between the three mods, spinning out a thread for weapon and item requests. Please include at a minimum:
- link to more information
- rational why I should be adding your favourite gun to three different mods (I've included a list of weapons already in-mod to avoid embarrassing incidents of duplication)
- description to item (bonus points if it is usable in-game)
- graphics (bonus points if they are usable in-game, and you are the artist so I don't need to track anyone down for permission)

Note, that with New Magazine System (NMS) in the works, this thread will be mostly to gather information for future "Advance Capability" versions of the mods that will be created after the current "offical" cycle of v1.13 releases. Specifically NMS, so far, has a few features that not only simplifies adding unique magazine capacities and multiple magazine capacities, but on considering what ChrisL has already stated to be his plans for NMS, features that can be exploited (ie. not ChrisL's intention, but I plan on abusing it for this purpose) to make supporting a common item list between multiple mods much easier...

EDIT (2016/10/03): This thread has been replaced by The 2nd Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #288714] Tue, 09 August 2011 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Item request: Full-auto auto trigger group - attaching this item to a semi-auto weapon would give it full-auto capability (drooling after a full-auto Saiga-12 with a 20-round drum)

Might only be possible through merge though :/
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #288719] Tue, 09 August 2011 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i wish see some epansion power in old one[.233]http://www.triadtactical.com/Black-Hills-New-223-Rem-55gr-Soft-Point.html & some for light show
http://deuce45s.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_34&products_id=153

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #288730] Tue, 09 August 2011 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Full-Auto Trigger Group - Yes, I would prefer this as an attachment. Before it turned into a discussion on the ultimate in kit guns, I made a request for this very feature. I could produce a full-auto Saiga via mergers, and a copy of the existing gun, but I really would prefer an attachment that did this (I could get rid of so many items with this feature). For now would adding the magic ACME 3-round burst trigger group to the Saiga be acceptable?

.223 Remington - Once NMS is out (which will make it so much easier), or cancelled (which would make continued stalling pointless) I intend to add some additional ammotypes:

Tracer - yeah this one makes sense
Ball - probably the civilian variant I use to prevent ball 7.62x54mm Rimmed showing up with the enemy
HP
Match


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #288736] Tue, 09 August 2011 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For now would adding the magic ACME 3-round burst trigger group to the Saiga be acceptable?

Totally! Smile
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #288854] Thu, 11 August 2011 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it posible add ar-18 in .223 ? please .. ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armalite_AR-18

something here maybe is interesting, here you have some ammo for sniper rifles

http://www.conjay.com/Ammunition%20for%20Armor%20Testing%20NATO%20300%20and%20338%20Lapua%20Magnum.htm

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3598/20253006300hhmagnum338l.th.jpg

last bulet from on right... .338 lapua magnum ap-i hardened core .. 338" Lapua Magnum Armor-Piercing-Incendiary Hard-Core

edit:maybe fn scar in 5.45x39 can be nice,this one is in iov

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #289008] Sun, 14 August 2011 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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No hurry to add the AR-18 before NMS and related capabilities, but I did look up the graphics.

Of more immediate priority are attachments, or full conversions I can get away with just an attachment:

- found an EBR kit for the Garrand M1, something I couldn't find a month ago.
http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/ebr.html

- partially going in the direction of AIMNAS with stocks. FN Minimi and variants will have an attachment that allows the attachment of one of the three existing AR-15 stocks.

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #289167] Tue, 16 August 2011 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://world.guns.ru/smg/ch/type-05-e.html

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/ch/qsz-92-e.html

these is in regural 9x19mm ...

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2862/type05smg2.th.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/752/qsz92.th.jpg

Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #289878] Fri, 26 August 2011 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hairysteed wanting to redo the M203 to a longer barrel version reminded me that I still haven't updated the 30x71mm (Sci-fi) grenades yet. This is something I wanted to do for DL-1.13, as the M41A1 Pulse Rifle features prominently there.

I'll be basing the shape of the replacement graphics on the examples here, http://uscmc.wikispaces.com/munitions#Cased%20Ammunition-30mm%20x%2070%20High%20Velocity%20Grenades but I'll be using the adjusting the colour scheme to that familiar to JA2.

EDIT (20110829): Ok, you better post screenshots of your mercs actually using it in-game Wolf00, I added the JS 9mm SMG ( Preivew of Next Release ), in the process found that the stats for the Type 05 it is based on are all wrong so it means I was able to squeeze some additional utility out of it. No point in adding another 9x19mm pistol though.

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290045] Tue, 30 August 2011 01:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hairysteed

 
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Just got back to making those launcher graphics. Since the standard M203 is a permanent add-on that needs to be attached by an armorer, would it make sense to make separate M16A1/M203 and M16A4/M203 versions that you'd get by merging the launcher with the M16A1 or M16A4 respectively, or would you prefer to have just the launcher graphics?
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290047] Tue, 30 August 2011 01:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Yeah, the entire M203 implementation could do with some reworking. Due to the needs of Urban Chaos support, there's a minimum of three different M203's needed:

M203PI - covers the long barrel model, fits most every gun that takes the full size M203 (M16's, AUG's, Galili, and Tavor). The M16 style hand guard is not entirely appropriate for this one.

M203A1 - covers the short barrel model, fits M4 and HK MP5 via NAS adapter, I'm also seeing that it should fit other weapons as well. This one will keep the stock v1.13 graphic once the long barrel version is available.

Modded M203 - from UC, this one only fits full size M16's, so the hand guard would be good (the original UC graphic has one)

Options:

1) change graphics for M203PI (no hand guard) and Modded M203 (hand guard) - EDIT: this means there will be a visual distinction between long range and short range M203's already in the mod, no real changes except perhaps a clean-up of which guns may use the launchers.

2) add M203's
- Old-style M203 - hand guard, permanent attachment, only attaches to M16's, cheaper and earlier availability
- M203PI/M203A2 - no hand guard, attaches to M16, non-RIS weapons like the AUG-A1 and Galili, and RIS hand guards


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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290048] Tue, 30 August 2011 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hairysteed

 
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Actually the PI and A1 are the shorter 9 inch barrel version while the Standard M203 and M203A2 are the 12 inch versions which can fit the full-length 20 inch barrel AR-15s as well as the 14.5 inch M4s

I've only seen pictures of the 9 inch barrel version mounted on weapons other than the AR-15 family. Curiously I haven't seen pictures of 12 inch M203s mounted on the C7 although I can't see a reason why It shouldn't fit.
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290050] Tue, 30 August 2011 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Right, still can get away with the following minimum item M203 scheme:

Old Style M203 (12" new graphic, hand guard) - M16 only, permanent attachment, cheap and early availability
Modded M203 (12" new graphic, hand guard) - M16 only, permanent attachment, UC-1.13 only (in-map)
M203A1/PI (9" old graphic) - fits non-RIS/US weapons, M4 and MP5 with, permanent attachment
M203A2 (12" new graphic, no hand guard) - fits any "sturdy" RIS, in-game it's niche will be as the no-frills RIS launcher

This way I only have to add one new launcher, but definitely will need to cleanup which guns get which M203.

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290053] Tue, 30 August 2011 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I started with the M203A2 and did it the easy way: I just took the M203PI and gave it a longer barrel
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/170/m203a2.png
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4151/m203a2interface.th.png

M203(standard) with handguard... basically chopped off Colt Launcher graphics
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4890/m203a.th.png
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3144/m203interface.th.png

Bonus: An M16A4 Flat-top without the carrying handle:
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/2348/m16a4flattop.th.png
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2164/m16a4flattopinterface.th.png

Thought I'd make M203 versions of the full-length M16 rifles. Interface versions to come
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4094/m16a120rndm203.th.png
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6282/m16a4m203.th.png
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5473/m16a4flattopm203.th.png

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290062] Tue, 30 August 2011 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Hairysteed, I got a start with adding your graphics last night. Did a minor edit to the interface for the M16A4, gave it visible "bumps" to represent the RIS. Adding the M203 (old style) was easy, the hard part is going to be reworking the others ones.


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290087] Tue, 30 August 2011 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this one is really old but still can be interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM148_grenade_launcher

one question about magazine extender for cz 52 or tokarev tt 33... from 8rounds to 12 ?
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290097] Wed, 31 August 2011 00:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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XM148 - would anyone use a hard to finicky repair launcher, especially with all the penalties I attach to them?

M203 scheme - nomenclature changes:

M203PI = M203A1, 9" M203, 230m range
M203 Quick Detach (M203QD) = M203A2, or 12" M203 usable on "sturdy" RIS, 300m range
M203 = 12" M203 that permanently attaches, 330m range (for comparison the M79 has 350m range)

The M203QD will not be able to attach to every RIS hand guard weapon that the M203PI can.

EDIT: Hairysteed, if you have a moment, please check the running preview of the next patch(es) for accuracy concerning your artwork http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=290040#Post290040

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290192] Thu, 01 September 2011 15:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just noticed that the MG3, M60 and CETME Ameli weren't in the mod (not that I miss them... ok maybe I do).
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290201] Thu, 01 September 2011 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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M60 and CETME Ameli should be in the mod (all of them). Since there are already a bunch of out of sequence weapons, no reason not to add the MG3.


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290216] Thu, 01 September 2011 18:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://world.guns.ru/assault/ch/type-63-e.html mix your ak-47 witch your sks & you can get this one..


http://www.nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=361&group_id=5&country_id=88&lang=0

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5053/type63rifle.th.jpg

maybe this ugly one have chance ?
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290220] Thu, 01 September 2011 19:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Sure, the graphics for the Ruger-30 I added was produced the same way. Similarly, the Type 63 implementation can conveniently overlook the magazine size mismatch (20 for both Type 63 and Ruger-30) until NMS makes it really easy to add a 20 round 7.62x39mm magazine (by virtue of NMS only needing one item added to achieve this).

Same for the extended magazines you asked for earlier Wolf00, with NMS quite a few expanded magazines will be implemented.

EDIT: Adding the Mexican FX-05 Xiuhcoatl, another gun to make use of the NCTH Recoil Delay feature, and folding stock that adjusts for length.

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290266] Sat, 03 September 2011 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bren L4A4 7.62 nato originaly using 30 round magazine,but i think you can use 20 round magazines from mod...

http://world.guns.ru/machine/brit/bren-e.html
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290285] Sun, 04 September 2011 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Work on AFS v3.30 lead to some AR-15 specific attachments being created, so now I'm thinking of fleshing out the AR-15 pistols (6.8mm SPC and pistol calibres - yeah, somewhat ludicrous but the XML infrastructure has be setup). Hairysteed, or anyone else for that matter, if you want to do splicing of existing artwork (or better yet new artwork), this is an area the mod may be expanding in future.

for inspiration see:
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=198


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290312] Mon, 05 September 2011 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think new graphics for 6.8mm calibers would be needed. AFAIK 6.8mm SPC is compatible with STANAG 5.56mm magazines so externally they wouldn't look any different from their 5.56mm/.223rem versions. 6.8mm magazines are simply 5.56mm magazines with 6.8mm loaded into them.

How about a PDW upgrade kit for the MP5K transforming it into MP5K-PDW?
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290313] Mon, 05 September 2011 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some small difference helps telling them apart without having to look at the name though.


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290314] Mon, 05 September 2011 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Plastic waffle magazine vs. metal?
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290318] Mon, 05 September 2011 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think we're using a different shade of grey to differentiate between 6.8mm SPC and 5.56mm

EDIT: sorry, I didn't see the request for a MP5K-PDW, yeah I've been thinking about adding this.

These are the graphics requirements:
- MP5K-PDW with stock extended
- MP5K-PDW with stock retracted
- PDW stock kit (this would merge with MP5 to produce the MP5K-PDW and itself would turn into the FSS item need to flip between stock folded or unfolded modes)

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290355] Mon, 05 September 2011 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i think here is image for mp5k-pdw ...

http://www.esnips.com/doc/080e871b-d764-49e3-a5d9-567eb9004557/113_9xx_pics
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290364] Mon, 05 September 2011 23:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290365] Mon, 05 September 2011 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it's okay I'd prefer modifying the existing MP5K graphic by adding the folding stock. It just looks better when otherwise similar firearms share the same look, colors, sizing, etc.
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290367] Tue, 06 September 2011 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if i remeber this... i think mp5k-pdw is coolberg work ...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2361/screenshot2011090523175.th.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1968/screenshot2011090523174.th.jpg





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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290369] Tue, 06 September 2011 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it's okay I'd prefer modifying the existing MP5K graphic by adding the folding stock. It just looks better when otherwise similar firearms share the same look, colors, sizing, etc.


Thank you Hairysteed, my thoughts exactly.

Now while I cannot confirm or deny if Wolf00's screen shots are of a MP5K-PDW by Coolberg, they don't seem to match the same art style as the MP5K in stock v1.13. It may also just be a case of the picture being blurry on my end of things.


EDIT: related to the above, I eventually intend to replace the Mini-68 graphic from DBB with a recoloured (blue tinted) version of the v1.13 Ruger Mini-14 with a 6.8mm SPC magazine attached. Similar to how the Mini-30 was produced (but blue).

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290370] Tue, 06 September 2011 00:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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im not not sure... about this artwork,maybe it is a mistake..not coolber artwork
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290371] Tue, 06 September 2011 01:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Drew a stock and a flash hider on the 1.13 MP5K
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1970/mp5kpdwhairysteed.png
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8577/mp5kpdwstockfolded.png
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3834/mp5kpdwhairysteedinterf.th.png
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9752/mp5kpdwstockfoldedinter.th.png

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290379] Tue, 06 September 2011 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wil473

 
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Thank you Hairysteed, I'll take a look at the graphics later on once I take care of something I've been putting off for a while now - recalculating autofire and burst costs (the amount of copying and pasting of supposedly similar guns has introduced way too many errors).

Are you planning on doing any additional graphics such as the AR-15 pistols discussed earlier?


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290380] Tue, 06 September 2011 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm still too much of a beginner to start drawing a completely new firearm from scratch, although it looks like I could use the OA-93 as a base for K23P.

I don't suppose you need the 'tactical' version? You'd get essentially the same thing by adding some tactikool-aids

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Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290382] Tue, 06 September 2011 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nope, as you said the AR-15 RIS Hand Guard (right now an orphan attachment since the much better "Modular Weapon System" hand guard is available) can give OA pistols the "tactical" look. It's already setup for the existing OA-93.

Just to clarify, you're doing the K23P in 9mm right?


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290388] Tue, 06 September 2011 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can do it in 9mm too
Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290389] Tue, 06 September 2011 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One thing about using the OA-93 as a base, please keep the optics rail on it. Otherwise I would have suggested using the CMMG 7.3 as a base, just swap out the magazine and RIS hand guard for that lightweight tubular hand guard.


Re: Weapons & Items Requests for UC-1.13/DL-1.13/AFS[message #290403] Tue, 06 September 2011 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Oh, in that case I'll do just that Very Happy CMMG 7.3 has the padded buffer tube anyway
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