The Bears Pit: v1.13 Idea Incubation Lab » Spooky added to AIM roster

Sergeant Major

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298446]

Fri, 10 February 2012 18:21

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

gotta change spooky's name to whiney...because he has no equipment..i outfitted him with the ghilli suit and the best vietnam era rifle in iov..the camo'd silenced m16 mod..its coolness 6...he whines that its a capgun..so i gave the twit a coolness 7 scar..still whines..wtf does he want?..i cant give him a coolness 10 cause i zapped out all huge caliber guns from my ja2 sessions..coolness'd em to zero..too unbalanced for fun with bmg's and lapua's..

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298447]

Fri, 10 February 2012 18:25

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

The check is about 'Deadliness' not coolness if I remember correctly. Look into his profile for 'main gun attractiveness' or something like that and chose accordingly.

Captain

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298448]

Fri, 10 February 2012 18:33

Sam Hotte

Messages:1966
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

DepressivesBrot

The check is about 'Deadliness' not coolness if I remember correctly. Look into his profile for 'main gun attractiveness' or something like that and chose accordingly.

Would you/somebody pls point me to a HDIW or explain to me what's it about the 'main gun attractiveness' thingie (noticed it in the profile editor and figured roughly that's the merc's favourite gun) - But what does that mean in game?

TIA!

Sergeant Major

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298450]

Fri, 10 February 2012 18:43

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

It's really straight forward:
1) find the weapon with highest ubDeadliness in a merc's inventory
2) multiply that deadliness with (50 + morale) / 100 (works out to +/-50%)
3) if the result is lower than bMainGunAttractiveness/2 -> complain

Captain

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298451]

Fri, 10 February 2012 18:47

Watchman

Messages:101
Registered:August 2008
Location: Philippines

@Tbird Checked the Ghillie suit? Spooky actually uses the cap gun quote for armor as well. Scope, Ivan and Len all complained to me about their equipment before and I found they were all complaining about their armors. (Scope complaining on her Ghillie, while Len and Ivan complaining on their field-ops Dyneema)

Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298454]

Fri, 10 February 2012 19:00

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

k..will swap out the ghilli suit to zylon armor and see what happens..he just seems he needs to come all camo'd from the get-go ;P

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298459]

Fri, 10 February 2012 19:16

Scheinworld

Messages:961
Registered:December 2007
Location: Baltic Sea, Germany

Hello Kazuya,

Thank you for your work on Spooky, but I have a question concerning his face. Maybe you or someone else here can tell me what's the meaning of the brown stripe above his right shoulder (from our perspective)?

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5563/spookykaz.jpg

The reason I ask this is that I've always cut out this part from his face in the past. You can hopefully see what I mean on the following example:

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7851/spooky2.png

Oh, and thanks that you take care of Stogie's bigface! Smile

Best regards; Schein

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298474]

Fri, 10 February 2012 20:29

Kazuya

Messages:208
Registered:January 2009

To me it looks like a gunsling.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298480]

Fri, 10 February 2012 20:51

Sam Hotte

Messages:1966
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

thx for explanation, Brot. Smile

Sergeant Major

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298492]

Fri, 10 February 2012 22:00

Scheinworld

Messages:961
Registered:December 2007
Location: Baltic Sea, Germany

Kazuya

To me it looks like a gunsling.

Yeah, you could be right with your assumption, but I'm still not sure, because his original background is surely not of the best quality and I can't interpret any details there. I think it would look better if at least from Spooky's animated faces especially from his 48x43 one the "gunsling" would be removed. The brown stripe/shadow with the black background looks a little bit weird to me. Well, at least that's my perception and your decision

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298496]

Fri, 10 February 2012 22:23

Messages:999
Registered:January 2009

Tbird94lx

gotta change spooky's name to whiney...because he has no equipment..i outfitted him with the ghilli suit and the best vietnam era rifle in iov..the camo'd silenced m16 mod..its coolness 6...he whines that its a capgun..so i gave the twit a coolness 7 scar..still whines..wtf does he want?..i cant give him a coolness 10 cause i zapped out all huge caliber guns from my ja2 sessions..coolness'd em to zero..too unbalanced for fun with bmg's and lapua's..

I put his weapon down as the M16

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298502]

Fri, 10 February 2012 23:57

Messages:999
Registered:January 2009

I was just double checking Spooky's speechfiles to make sure they were ok. The reason he seems to be whining so much is that his line for "Levelling Up" is mixed up... i've fixed it now.

But that is the line he uses when something is broken, not the quality of the gun.

[Updated on: Sat, 11 February 2012 00:34] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298504]

Sat, 11 February 2012 00:41

Kazuya

Messages:208
Registered:January 2009

Scheinworld

Kazuya
To me it looks like a gunsling.

Yeah, you could be right with your assumption, but I'm still not sure, because his original background is surely not of the best quality and I can't interpret any details there. I think it would look better if at least from Spooky's animated faces especially from his 48x43 one the "gunsling" would be removed. The brown stripe/shadow with the black background looks a little bit weird to me. Well, at least that's my perception and your decision
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Sergeant 1st Class

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298511]

Sat, 11 February 2012 03:44

Friendly Fire

Messages:74
Registered:January 2006

Do I understand correctly that the way the files are, if someone offered a download similar to this one here by Off_Topic but for another character, both downloads would be mutually exclusive ?
If so this way of adding mercs is not the solution.
Unless we have an easy way to add mercs individually, it makes sense to include those already made, like Spooky, to the regular installation roster.
I understand that some people dislike such and such additional merc, but, come on, the annoyance of briefly seeing the mug of an unwanted character while browsing the AIM or MERC site is NOTHING compared to the pleasure of having a character you want for the entire campaign.

Corporal

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298523]

Sat, 11 February 2012 06:00

Charlie_May

Messages:27
Registered:March 2009

I agree with Friendly Fire. I would also add that the annoyance of seeing ANY unwanted merc can be easily and quickly circumvented by editing AIM or MERC availability.xml. It would take about 5 seconds for someone to remove Spooky from the game.

Private 1st Class

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298535]

Sat, 11 February 2012 09:41

Gorro der Grüne

Messages:1448
Registered:March 2009
Location: Broadwurschd-City

perhaps somebody could "convince" (by the means of instruments of torture if necessary) a coder to write a "dial a mec utility".

Which, if run, adds mercs (out of a pool folder) to the AIM and M*E*RC roosters.

This would end all discussions and everybody could:

a) donate his* mercs to the pool folder

b) happily choose what he* wants

* I'm using the male form due to the majority of the users - sorry Jen :bunny:

kleinAnnegred: "it would be even better if this utility would allow to configure the mercs"

Sergeant Major

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298540]

Sat, 11 February 2012 10:16

Friendly Fire

Messages:74
Registered:January 2006

If we end all discussions, what is the point of having a forum ?

Corporal

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298543]

Sat, 11 February 2012 10:25

Gorro der Grüne

Messages:1448
Registered:March 2009
Location: Broadwurschd-City

Friendly Fire

If we end all discussions, what is the point of having a forum ?

the fruitless discussions of this topic.

Atm it is: purist & modders vs ordinary gamers

Sergeant Major

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298553]

Sat, 11 February 2012 12:26

Messages:999
Registered:January 2009

When hiring him? A specific line or just in general?

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298562]

Sat, 11 February 2012 13:00

Messages:539
Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

Off_Topic

When hiring him? A specific line or just in general?

Was this ment for me?
If so, i used a clean SCI 4915 and copied the Spooky files in Data 1.13
Start a new game, just for testing to see if it works.
~~Well as soon he starts to talk the game crashes.~~
Correction, when move/walk.

[Updated on: Sat, 11 February 2012 13:12] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298563]

Sat, 11 February 2012 13:21

tais

Messages:656
Registered:February 2008
Location: NL

you could also install 4930 because that one has him included and he will be in my SCI's from now on

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298568]

Sat, 11 February 2012 13:34

Messages:539
Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

thanks Tais, another new start Smile

Wanna see more than Omerta Smile

[Updated on: Sat, 11 February 2012 13:35] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298576]

Sat, 11 February 2012 14:25

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

swapping the ghilli suit out for better armor did the trick..spooky works fine now..his speech patterns are ok..ghili isnt listed as flak or whatnot and spooky wants flak and m16..ok..he has an old vietnam m16 and old flak..he's happy..now to kill stuff Very Happy

Pee Ess:as for modders vs purists etc..long as he dosnt take up an originals spot..is ok..just dont hire him and pretend he aint there..is easy ...if your an adult Neutral

[Updated on: Sat, 11 February 2012 14:26] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298577]

Sat, 11 February 2012 14:31

Messages:999
Registered:January 2009

Cool, like i said in an earlier post, i revisited his speech files and was able to improve a lot of them yesterday. I'll upload the newer files shortly.

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298578]

Sat, 11 February 2012 14:31

Slax

Messages:1411
Registered:July 2006
Location: People riding polar bears...

Tbird94lx

...if your an adult

But DAAA-AAAAAAAAAD!

Sergeant Major

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298579]

Sat, 11 February 2012 14:43

tais

Messages:656
Registered:February 2008
Location: NL

Tbird94lx

Pee Ess:as for modders vs purists etc..long as he dosnt take up an originals spot..is ok..just dont hire him and pretend he aint there..is easy ...if your an adult

He doesnt, we have a shitload of space for more mercs in 1.13 now so he has his own spot

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298581]

Sat, 11 February 2012 14:44

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

Tbird94lx

swapping the ghilli suit out for better armor did the trick..spooky works fine now..his speech patterns are ok..ghili isnt listed as flak or whatnot and spooky wants flak and m16..ok..he has an old vietnam m16 and old flak..he's happy..now to kill stuff

I really don't know why that editor substitutes item names there. I can assure you that the check for armor works in a similar (albeit slightly more complex, as all armors are rated against spectra) way to the weapon check and only tests the protection value, not if it's a special armor.

Captain

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298604]

Sat, 11 February 2012 17:56

Scheinworld

Messages:961
Registered:December 2007
Location: Baltic Sea, Germany

Kazuya

Here an alternative Version for you. The animated faces without a gunsling. It's still in the bigface though, because I forgot to save the background as an extra image, which makes it a bit tedious to remove objects in the foreground...
http://www.mediafire.com/?stoppd4x4io3m1d

"Danke Kaz!" Smile

I think you get the optimum out of Spooky's original files now. And please do not worry concerning the gunsling in his bigface! It isn't interfering there in any way.

Thanks again for your (art-)work!

Best regards; Schein

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298627]

Sat, 11 February 2012 21:00

Messages:999
Registered:January 2009

Here's the definitive Spooky: http://www.mediafire.com/?66e4e1asaky5539

He now has speech for every occasion. I also corrected a few mistakes.

Thanks to Kazuya for his very speedy and much improved graphics. I stuck with the original one's he uploaded.

You will also find Reuban, Spike, and Postie on this AIM roster, they are fully implemented apart from sorting out there starting gear. I didn't realise Dimitri had added JA 1 mercs to the game, i had put a good bit of work in to them so continued with it, most likely i will merge his work with this. This is an ongoing process, so just delete their files if you do not want them.

Any errors can be reported here.

[Updated on: Sat, 11 February 2012 22:57] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298635]

Sat, 11 February 2012 21:35

Messages:539
Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

Who gave Spooky the Ranger & Melee Skills?
He's more a Stealthy & Night person.

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298642]

Sat, 11 February 2012 22:41

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

ranger yes..melee no..night and stealth yup Neutral

and a partridge in a pear treeeeeeeeeee

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298645]

Sat, 11 February 2012 22:45

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

Tais

Tbird94lx
Pee Ess:as for modders vs purists etc..long as he dosnt take up an originals spot..is ok..just dont hire him and pretend he aint there..is easy ...if your an adult

He doesnt, we have a shitload of space for more mercs in 1.13 now so he has his own spot

i've no issues with adding merc's..i encourage it..spooky has been around long enough to be part of ja2 lore..due to issues in my own life..i dont keep up as much as i wish..so dont know how many slots are available now for additional merc's..but..add em all..bring back beth!!! Very Happy

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298646]

Sat, 11 February 2012 22:48

Messages:539
Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

255(total) - 180(used) = 75 (free).

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298647]

Sat, 11 February 2012 22:50

Messages:682
Registered:April 2002
Location: ohhhhhh canada

Blue_Fox

255(total) - 180(used) = 75 (free).

thankee..now i know..and knowing..is half the battle Neutral

First Sergeant

Re: Spooky added to AIM roster[message #298648]

Sat, 11 February 2012 22:52

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

Tbird94lx

ranger yes..melee no..night and stealth yup and a partridge in a pear treeeeeeeeeee

Note that the 'ranger' trait represents some kind of professional park ranger / hunter, not Army Rangers or equivalent units.
Tbird94lx

i've no issues with adding merc's..i encourage it..spooky has been around long enough to be part of ja2 lore..due to issues in my own life..i dont keep up as much as i wish..so dont know how many slots are available now for additional merc's..but..add em all..bring back beth!!!

With the WF mercs, we're currently at 177 of 255.