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| Re: Hachiryoku's humble weapon mods[message #304305]
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Fri, 04 May 2012 16:25  
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You should probably ask before modifying anothers work, well when it is mod stuff like art, maps, and the like. I think you will find smeagol is nice especially when you give him proper credit. But like any human he is hurt when people take his stuff without asking. So as a rule of thumb, if the original artist is still around, ask first, if it is in a reasonable place and you get no response for a reasonable amount of time, then state you plan to go ahead. If they say no, then respect it.
Basically just think about what you would like someone else to do before using your art, and give the same affordances.
But your stuff looks great.
Dh
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| Re: Hachiryoku's humble weapon mods[message #304363]
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Sat, 05 May 2012 08:02
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| Hachiryoku |
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Registered:June 2009 |
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To put "balance" into context;
I've made it so mostly everything is still useable even later in the game.
That's why I think the new skills like gunslinger are very good. Add that to the slight range increase I gave the average pistol and my merc can still run around with a 1911 all the way until the end of the game and still hold certain advantages with that weapon without getting steam rolled. Otherwise, why waist energy on pistoleers?
Is that realistic? No, but in the past, pistols became almost obsolete very quickly, which is a shame since there are so many more pistols than there used to be... with more being made all the time. It seems everybody wants their personal firearm to be included in the game and many own pistols. Now, balance being considered, my gunslinger still should not get into it with someone carrying an AR at 200 yards. They should close within tactically first.
My other major area for balance was the armor. I always thought it was funny that a cloth "armor" called "Zylon", which was also somehow associated with the US military in the game, could offer any protection from hot lead. I've served with the Marines for 12 years (I'm a Navy Corpsman) and have made several trips to the sandbox with the infantry. Rounds have literally zipped past my head and I've returned the sentiment in full. BUT..... we were never issued a fabric armor called zylon that offered any hot lead protection. Flack vests with SAPIs? Yes! Brain buckets? yes! No zylon though. End rant.
So armor; Clothes like t-shirts, zylon and swat uniforms may offer like 1-3 points of ballistic defense, which is next to nothing. But they weigh much less and will offer some camouflage and some offer slight stealth bonuses. The actual armors have been balanced to weight, meaning, the dyneema is a good armor still, but it's weight follows balistic defense point for point. So, the only mercs on my team who have a full load out of dyneema, c-18, ceramic plates and are still able to employ any gun they choose are my very strong mercs. The rest have to balance the weight of their armor with their equipment and weapon choice. That means my sniper, with a strength of 70, may choose that pair of swat pants, grey t-shirt and black beanie in order to have strength left for the Berret M98. Also, none of the armor is as strong. That means my c-18 dyneema decked out merc should still take cover along with the rest of the team.
I've done much more, but it mostly revolves around the same idea of everything keeping value all the way through the game.
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| Re: Hachiryoku's humble weapon mods[message #304454]
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Sun, 06 May 2012 14:08
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| Toneone |
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Registered:October 2008
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Sounds interesting, ill gladly try out what you can give us.
Some tidbits though.
Quote:I always thought it was funny that a cloth "armor" called "Zylon" could offer any protection from hot lead.
Zylon fabric
Basically it does offer protection, but degrades rapidly and was thus shifted out of service.
Not to get into a big discussion here, but fibre/cloth armors are more real&common than you might think. Though the protection class is obviously different from millitary grade vests/gear.
Ill refrain from listing all the different fibres, but a lot of them are more usefull than your run of the mill kevlar vest.
Especially bullet proof/resistant clothing has become more interesting and successfull for manufacturers.
And the US military is not known to outfit its troops with the best gear, but rather the best for a certain price. 
Quote:in the past, pistols became almost obsolete very quickly
That depends on your style a lot.
As a main weapon, yes very much so.
But i still cary a sidearm all the way to Meduna, and it saved my bacon lots of times.
But as said, as a mainstay they become obsolete quickly.
As agunslinger you pretty much have to settle on high calibre revolvers for a long time. Thats mostly why i was bored with the gunslinger, eventhough i like the concept very much.
regards
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| Re: Hachiryoku's humble weapon mods[message #304476]
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Sun, 06 May 2012 21:51
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| Hachiryoku |
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Registered:June 2009 |
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Hazmat
And the US military is not known to outfit its troops with the best gear, but rather the best for a certain price.
Semi-true.
I always had great gear. No, I didn't have a Styer Aug, but my A4 and now M4 did exactly what it was supposed to do. And, although I generally like to keep things simple with iron sights, pistol grip and foregrip, I have any modern attachment available if I want it. I'm not a big fan of the M9 (Beretta 92F), but it is a good field pistol. The K-bar is crap but the M16 bayonet is a very good blade. Most carry their own personal melee weapons anyways.
I've seen SAPI plates and Kevlar helmets take hits. They work. I probably should not comment on certain things when it comes to what exactly we are doing in the field on an open forum, but I will say there's more to why we're not using all the new armors and gadgets coming out and it has less to do with funding than you think. Outfitting our direct action units as opposed to the entire military with almost anything is very doable. I can say Dragon Skin has been repeatedly tested, even by spec ops own research section. It still doesn't hold a candle to SAPIs although it has promise for certain situations, i.e. long range patrols. I would still prefer SAPIs, no matter how uncomfortable or heavy they are.
My medical gear is usually the most expensive section of the budget and it always surprises me how much the chain will spend when it comes to it. I always research my equipment and ask for specific things. A lot of that is consumables too, which means they'll be buying it over and over again. The unit is able to buy what they want for the most part. They will ask for augments to the budget from higher if they need to and I've never seen an augment request turned down.
Many of the things we use in training or with a logistics unit is cheap poop. That's where you'll hear a lot of the complaints coming from. And you'll even get some gripes when you have the best stuff..... The grass is always greener. I always complained about the weight of all my gear.
Thanks for the education on Zylon. I always wondered where the term came from. I noticed, from the link you gave, that the company who produced the body armor made from zylon went bankrupt soon after some police officers who were wearing zylon got shot.
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| Re: Hachiryoku's humble weapon mods[message #304553]
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Thu, 10 May 2012 09:13
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| TClaymore |
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Registered:July 2011 |
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I always thought the SWAT uniform was actually SWAT body armor. Is there any difference between the standard issue SWAT armor and military armor?
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| Re: Hachiryoku's humble weapon mods[message #304555]
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Thu, 10 May 2012 10:17
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| Hachiryoku |
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Registered:June 2009 |
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Not the cloth uniforms. SWAT will wear body armor over that uniform. That's the same as the military.
Basically, our cammies provide camo and some are partially fire resistant. SWAT uniforms are dark for urban/night ops. No actual armor.
We will throw on flak vests, neck protectors, groin protectors, and other items on top of the uniform. That will help protect against impact, but it will not help much against bullets or even knives really. The name "flak" means they'll protect you against small particles flying through the air and heat from an explosion. That doesn't sound like much until you need to drive through an IED alley or you start to receive mortar fire. Once the the heat and the dirt hits you, you'll be glad you weren't wearing boxers and a wife beater.
Then we throw these SAPI (armor) plates in our flak vests. Now those can take some hits. Nothing is perfect of course, but some of my Marines are still alive because of those things. The kevlar helmets are also good. One Marine in particular would have been MEDEVAC'd twice with a grevious head injury if it weren't for his kevlar helmet. Fortunately for him, he only lost a little consciousness and had a headache for a while.
So, think of it like layers; clothing, flak/vests, armor.
Some uniforms are made to have plates slide right into them, but those are not used much. If you're operating for months, it's better to have a uniform underneath you can clean every now and then. Most flaks/vests can't be thrown in the washer, so the idea is to wear clothes under the armor.
The most common integral addition to uniforms in respects to armor is probably knee pads. Some trousers have slots for them and others have pads sewn in.
An uncommon flak piece is the arm guards and leg guards. Not worn very often because they wear you down too quickly. They're pretty bulky too.
DISCLAIMER; I've never actually worn SWAT gear. I'm going off of what I've seen.
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