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A question about orbs and lights.[message #304255] Thu, 03 May 2012 17:57 Go to next message
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Orbs, lights in the sky, stuff like that but not flying saucers or ET related things.

Do any of you have an interest in pictures of such things ?

Not so much discussions or theories but looking at pictures though off course discussions are fine.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304256] Thu, 03 May 2012 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if the pix are good i'm all for it

Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304260] Thu, 03 May 2012 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What , natural or unnatural occurrences ? Show me some pics as a taster ! Smile


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304274] Thu, 03 May 2012 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Let's begin.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304282] Fri, 04 May 2012 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bearpit

 
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3500+ 1024x768 pictures.

Head over towards http://www.orbs-ulo.com

Hi Lockie, ..... natural, though they might appear unnatural or paranormal to some.
However recall .... some hundreds of years ago the then circulating information and state of knowledge being spread by some was that the world was flat.

Take a look, make up your own mind. That's what choice is all about. You decide based on the evidence in front of your eyes.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304299] Fri, 04 May 2012 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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UFO = Unindentified Flying Object

To me a lot of the major sightings began in the 50s. I personally attribute this to the espionage of the cold war.

Also,

If the shape of the earth would change again, everyone would laugh.

Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304318] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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have to say , looks interesting , although , some of the shots look as if they have been taken under glass , out in the rain ?


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304319] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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UFO = Unindentified Flying Object


Err , Tao , it's ULO ..... I'm sure you just made a slip of the typo ...


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304323] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes I did. I also spelled unidentified wrong.

Those pictures definitely look manufactured though.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304324] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, they look 'shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few 'shops in my time.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304325] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Believe it or not, I have actually seen a UFO before.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304326] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good, I was already worried you of all people here would buy the weather balloon stories.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304327] Fri, 04 May 2012 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then start another topic .... Smile


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304360] Sat, 05 May 2012 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lockie,

"although , some of the shots look as if they have been taken under glass , out in the rain"

Some have indeed been taken in the rain though off course not standing in the rain with a non waterproof camera ..... out of an open car window in most cases but nothing under glass or any sort of tricks involved. Where there are many white lights is an indication there was rain of some sort whether light showers or pouring down. During rain different effects or phenomenon appear due to the availability of free electrons with falling water - rain. The orbs - lights are able to energise to a high state in such circumstances.

DepressivesBrot,

"Yes, they look 'shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few 'shops in my time."

Maybe you have seen some shopped images but none of those are anything except pictures taken from a camera and none are altered in any way.

The normal size is 4320x3240 but have been reduced to 1024x768 for display on the site.

Ask yourself ..... how would you go about faking what appears in those pictures ? Have a go ..... let's see the results.
At 1024x768 it's not possible to really get a sense of the detail but photoshopped .... no.
If you examine a reduced image it's not the same as a full size one.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304370] Sat, 05 May 2012 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It was a joke, mkay? Should have been obvious from the exact wording.
If I wanted to fake those, I'd do it directly. Some water, some glass panes, some lights, maybe a bit of dust or a naturally dusty glass pane - experiment until you find a good setup with some nice refractions.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304374] Sat, 05 May 2012 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Haha, yes you could try all that but how can the backgrounds be explained ..... power lines, trees, branches, various things like fences, buildings, bushland etc.

Then another issue .... why ? Why go to various lengths to produce 3,500 fake images ?

After seeing some full size examples you'd be hard pressed to find ways of duplicating them.

If you have a digital camera many models are capable of obtaining at least something when used in the dark though mainly outdoors with flash ..... except maybe when obstinate skeptics are handling the camera .... orbs seem to avoid those types of personalities which might explain their rather dismal track record in obtaining results.

Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304376] Sat, 05 May 2012 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then another issue .... why ? Why go to various lengths to produce 3,500 fake images ?
For the same reason people take 3500 pictures of flowers and grassland - it's their hobby?
Bearpit
Haha, yes you could try all that but how can the backgrounds be explained ..... power lines, trees, branches, various things like fences, buildings, bushland etc.
What about the background? Most of those pics just look like somebody didn't wash his window in quite a while.
Bearpit
After seeing some full size examples you'd be hard pressed to find ways of duplicating them.
Probably, but I'm no professional/enthusiastic photographer either.
Bearpit
..... except maybe when obstinate skeptics are handling the camera .... orbs seem to avoid those types of personalities which might explain their rather dismal track record in obtaining results.
Seriously? No comment.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304377] Sat, 05 May 2012 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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except maybe when obstinate skeptics are handling the camera .... orbs seem to avoid those types of personalities which might explain their rather dismal track record in obtaining results.


Yeah , now that makes me skeptical Smile Everything 'must' be measurable or accountable , it's just we don't know enough to do the measuring . Yet .
I'm fully open to this existence of ours not to be the only reality/dimension . There's obviously so much we cannot yet understand or even glimpse of our lives . So the lights/orbs may well be some form of existence or radiation or quantum-ness ( cause who really knows what the hell THAT is ), might even be similar to the microbes you glimpse in your eyes sometimes ?

Interesting though .


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304379] Sat, 05 May 2012 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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of course they do - orbs use a kind of para-normal signalling - sceptics produce a hormon (called scietothin btw) that blocks the remnants of our para-receptors. all senient beings have them, but ours have been breeded away by the catholic church in the last 2000 years (have a look at gregor mendel )

so if the orbs (who are also sentient beings) don't get the slightest reply they just go away and look for someone else to talk to.

just bad luck, i guess
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304380] Sat, 05 May 2012 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's funny you should mention that about religion Logisteric however one of the very few capable photographers with orbs and lights is a former catholic priest .... former, he left many years ago claiming religion is a fraud and mental disorder ..... makes you wonder.

However with the receptors and sensing ..... have you ever had that queesy and urky feeling around police .... they tend to be suspicious by nature and always on the sniff for miscreants except maybe if they walked into the boardroom of a large bank their senses would go haywire Smile

If any of you have a digital camera and are prepared to take a few shots in the backyard, local park or wherever ..... if something abnormal does show up .... you know it' abnormal though many camera's have an inbuilt filtration system to block infra red & ultraviolet just for that reason .... what camera users expect are pictures of what they aimed the camera at not small balls of light and so forth to wreck their portraits or wedding shots etc.

It's camera's without this filtration of particularly infra red in place which get the best results.

There are indeed many unanswered issues about attraction ..... why have various guru's attracted huge followings .... Sai Baba, Sri Bhagavan of the Oneness movement, Bhagavan Sri Rajneesh (The Bhagwan) then how come characters like GW Bush become president ? The mysteries of life are sometimes very mysterious.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304381] Sat, 05 May 2012 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's funny you should mention that about religion Logisteric however one of the very few capable photographers with orbs and lights is a former catholic priest .... former, he left many years ago claiming religion is a fraud and mental disorder ..... makes you wonder.


where the reason for that however? who should know about that program (mendel-wise) if not them? what i don't buy is you lenses-theorie - if you can't spot those orbs you don't even try to take pix, right? if you see them you may also be exhalted to such a high level that you just get it wrong to document the evidence.

and just between us most pix taken by amateurs are of questionable quality anyway.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #304387] Sat, 05 May 2012 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In the majority of cases orbs & lights cant be seen with the naked eye though there are exceptions.

Err which lenses theory ?

What happens is some people sense the presence of something or other, take photos aiming at .... something or nothing in particular and to a greater or lesser degree what their senses indicated becomes apparent as evident with the results of what appears on images .... lights, orbs, fogs etc.

Exalted .... haha, ask the gurus or guys prancing about in temples wearing dresses. They are the ones claiming connections with celestial powers but .... do they have any pictures to back up their claims ? Actually with some of the gurus their gatherings have tended to attract a lot of lights.

It dont take exalted however it requires perserverence, experience and often just plain luck to snap at a bit of nowhere at seemingly nothing but get results.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #305463] Fri, 01 June 2012 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's a shameless free plug for this website: http://www.orbs-ulo.com

There's an update each month which features a bunch of new pictures and in May 2012 something of a record ...... 1,000 images were posted. Tht's not words ..... images, real pictures.
In a world full of talk and words on paper this is ..... a bit more tangible.

If lights and shapes in the sky are your thing take a look.

Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #309322] Mon, 20 August 2012 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another bump and reminder that at http://www.orbs-ulo.com exists the worlds most extensive online collection showcasing pictures of lights and strange shapes in the sky ..... real ones not photoshop or cropped sections of some picture or other claiming to be this or that.

In the June, July, August updates over 1840 pictures were added including large numbers of images showing colored orbs ..... lot's of those, plus ..... misty - smokey shapes in the sky which are often mistakenly described as ghosts or spirits.

What you typically get at various paranormal sites is one or a few pictures then long stories full of words describing some light or other as an angel, spirit guide, visitor from space and so forth.

There's hardly any words at http://www.orbs-ulo.com and certainly no angel stories however as for pictures .... around 6,500 in total spread throughout various listed categories and monthly update galleries all in 1024x768 format.





Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #309693] Fri, 31 August 2012 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have been to the mountain and seen the light ...... many lights and .... took 4 new camera's to record those lights resulting in over 1250 pictures being added to the August 2012 update.

If you've ever been curious about lights in the sky and how photographers manage to obtain them there are comprehensive reviews about those new camera's illustrated with many examples of their capabiilities by way of pictures. You will find camera reviews in the Information section - Camera Models section.

If your curious about how it's done and what's out there in the sky besides stars .... for less than $100 there are several compact digital camera's which will reveal all .... maybe not all but a lot.

If you want almost all ..... and it is a lot, one current model retailing for $430 will do the trick delivering an absolute wall of colored orbs, lights plus sometimes other things.

http://www.orbs-ulo.com
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #309696] Fri, 31 August 2012 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I used to live minutes away from Edwards Air Force base (where they test prototype aircraft, secondary landing site for the Space Shuttle) and we saw weird stuff a couple of times. Of course we also saw military aircraft flying around pretty much every day. I swear one time a C-130 buzzed the highway for fun.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #311984] Mon, 12 November 2012 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lights in the sky ..... yes.

Recently in November 2012 around 280 pictures of a light in the sky have been added to the Spectacular and Bright Lights picture gallery at http://www.orbs-ulo.com

Just like the Sade song .... No Ordinary Love .... this is no ordinaty light.

Ancient legends of a sky serpent on temple and pyramid walls, pottery, paintings and written legends describing ..... a sky serpent. Were those people out of it and hallucinating or did they see something real ? Off course there were no camera's capable of recording such things in those days but could people see this sort of phenomenon with the naked eye ..... probably some could and did.

So far searching the internet 2 pictures of something similar - identical were found ..... one at a UFO conference in Arizona and another at a meditation gathering in someones house so there's not many pictures around but at least some.

Is this a hallucination or photoshop knockup ? .... so many ? .... how ?

Take a look yourself at: http://www.orbs-ulo.com Go to Forum then Spectacular and Bright Lights.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #311986] Mon, 12 November 2012 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Were those people out of it and hallucinating
Yes. Drugs, especially the hallucinogen kind, have been with mankind for a long time now and often played a big part in ceremonies. Smile


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314234] Mon, 14 January 2013 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Yes. Drugs, especially the hallucinogen kind, have been with mankind for a long time now and often played a big part in ceremonies."

I agree and probably the most sinister of these is opiate of the masses which also plays a big part in ceremonies but that's somewhat off topic for ..... another shameless plug for a website dedicated to publishing pictures of light phenomenon and i guarantee you none of the camera's have taken peyote, ayahuasca, magic mushrooms, LSD, DMT or smoked anything green so what you see is really out there unless someone imagines it's all an elaborate hoax. feverish work of an image manipulation software or the camera's are tripping out.

If you are fond of so called ghost pictures ..... smokey fog like apparitions over 70 of those are featured in the January 2013 update along with a huge collection of colored orbs - lights and so far January is only half way through.

For the more technically minded there's a short write up in the January 2013 update forum Section 16 with links to several sets of before and after shots featuring both lights and fogs where in one picture you see the phenomenon and in the next consecutive shot it's gone.

Are these fogs really ghosts ? ..... no but then sometimes beliefs are just way too powerful to be resisted no matter how compelling or overwhelming the evidence.

Take a look and ask yourself, how is it possible to obtain over 50 such pictures in two nights ?

http://www.orbs-ulo.com

Take the "Forum" link from the front page .... all galleries are accessible from there.

Lights in the sky, fogs, orbs ..... now over 9,500 pictures overall.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314235] Mon, 14 January 2013 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just out of curiosity:
Are there at least a few pics where it is granted that they were taken without using Flashlight (or any other artificial lighting just for the porpose of taking pics) and still show the ULO?
(because if the ULO shows up only with using flashlight, it's very obvious that it is a reflection of some kind, not something that is emitting light on its own. Just being curious if there are claims that ULOs were emitting their own light instead of reflecting.)
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314245] Tue, 15 January 2013 09:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Sam,

The answer is yes however this occurs in rare circumstances.

Camera flash units have a finite life and typically a Sanyo VPC-S1414 has an absolute life of around 30,000 flash shots however this is broken up into several phases.

1. Up to about 15,000 shots the camera performs faultlessly.
2. From around 15,000 to 20,000 shots the flash misfires (fails to fire) maybe one time out of 200 shots.
3. From around 20,000 shots to 25,000 shots the camera might misfire anything up to one time in 100 shots but varies.
4. After around 25,000 shots the camera progressively misfires more frequently sometimes one time in 40 shots or even less or several times in a row and at that stage they end up in the trash then a new one is brought into use. Nowdays as soon as a camera flash begins to play up to the point that it becomes aggravating which might be around 25,000 shots it is discarded.

What was noticed during these stages was that even though the flash failed to fire orbs were still occasionally to be found on those pictures though not often and those were rather dull and nowhere as distinct as when a flash was used. So yes, occasionally it has happened but the orbs are so faint it's not worth keeping such pictures or publishing them because without enhancement the picture shows hardly any sign of lights.

Also one some occasions using a Nikon L120 it was and i imagine still is possible to drive around brightly lit streets immediately after rain and take pictures without flash where orbs appeared and these were quite bright almost normal looking orbs. However those pictures are more in the realm of "light art" and not really orbs pictures though there are apparently real orbs in some of them.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314248] Tue, 15 January 2013 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So without introducing a powerful light source, you are lucky to maybe have a few faint glows from background scatter?

...


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314250] Tue, 15 January 2013 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thx, bearpit, for the explaination.
So, the ULO hunters basically use artificial light by default so that pics without artificial light are not taken on purpose but happen as result of failing flash or something.

Hence ULOs are basically pics of reflections (by whatever).

Judging by probability the most likely explanation of the vast majority of those pics then just is reflections of moisture, dust etc. "aided" by optical settings like aperture, exposure time, focus, zoom etc. as well as hardware issues like the way CCD works, (too) high resolution on too low space of modern camera chips, thermal, chromatic and luminance noise etc. as well as calculations done by camera's software.
Then there likely are some pics that were digitally retouched additionally.

Doesn't leave too much room for "supernatural" explanations in my book. IMVHO.

YMMV.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314258] Tue, 15 January 2013 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Sam,

There is a section Challenging Science with a topic Skeptics And Debunkers Theories About Orbs which explains the point of view and perspective from photographers position.

That section has many linked examples which refute the very things you mention.

Dust, moisture ..... that does occur in some pictures for sure and is noticeable in the way it alters images particularly dust. As for moisture ..... many of the white light pictures where you see clouds of small white lights or larger ones ..... have you ever seen raindrops like that .... emitting colored light, moving upwards, sideways and sometimes multiple directions all in the same picture .... rain falls downwards and the drops are probably of similar size.

Without flash the backgrounds would hardly show anything so it's not worth taking those pictures.

Whether it's reflection or the lights themselves emitting light does it matter that much ?

When you have before you thousands of high quality images showing all manner of colors, shapes and sizes often with combinations of phenomenon appearing together in one image ask yourself .... can dust or raindrops or moisture in the air do that .... so many times at that clarity and quality ?

DepressiveBrot,

"So without introducing a powerful light source, you are lucky to maybe have a few faint glows from background scatter?"

That's absolutely correct. Without flash there is near zero to be seen but then ask yourself and if you wish look at examples in the January update post (Section 16).... there are several sets of before and after or phenomenon and no phenomenon pictures. Examine the difference. Flash is used in both shots but the content is way different. If it's all from the flash why aren't all pictures the same or like the after or without phenomenon shots ? Why do some shots show various lights, fogs, orbs etc whilst others show nothing when flash is used for all ?



Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314259] Tue, 15 January 2013 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Whether it's reflection or the lights themselves emitting light does it matter that much ?"
Yes. Everything interacts with incoming light in some way while luminescence is much rarer. So the two ask for very different explanations.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314262] Tue, 15 January 2013 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dust, moisture ..... that does occur in some pictures for sure and is noticeable in the way it alters images particularly dust. As for moisture ..... many of the white light pictures where you see clouds of small white lights or larger ones ..... have you ever seen raindrops like that

Sure i have. But moisture does not necessarily refer to rain drops but also means any sort of humidity, haze, mist, damp, vapor, even the exhale of the photographer ...

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.... emitting colored light,

It's called rainbow. Wink
Even without water the air around you has different colours due to bending and scattering of light to its different wavelenghts. Why shouldn't that apply to artificial light at night?

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moving upwards, sideways and sometimes multiple directions all in the same picture

Wait. It's a still picture. How do you tell direction of movement (and if there is movement at all) from one single picture?

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.... rain falls downwards and the drops are probably of similar size.

No. Rain may very well contain different sized drops and it very well moves along air flow. And most of the above mentioned forms of humidity easily move upwards (thats how evaporation, building clouds and falling rain work).

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Whether it's reflection or the lights themselves emitting light does it matter that much ?

Certainly: If there was real light emitting it would be obvious that there had to be something that was not induced by taking the photo.
Going with the reflections induced by taking the picture it's a matter of belief what may have caused the reflections in this way, if it may be atmospheric physics and imaging physics or rather sort of para physics.

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When you have before you thousands of high quality images showing all manner of colors, shapes and sizes often with combinations of phenomenon appearing together in one image ask yourself .... can dust or raindrops or moisture in the air do that .... so many times at that clarity and quality ?

Sure they can, they have ever done that. I mean, quantity is not a indication to what might be the explanation of a phenomenon, is it? If i took billions of pics of a rainbow does this shift the reason for the rainbow from optical physics to a leprechaun with a barrel full of gold?

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there are several sets of before and after or phenomenon and no phenomenon pictures. Examine the difference. Flash is used in both shots but the content is way different. If it's all from the flash why aren't all pictures the same or like the after or without phenomenon shots ? Why do some shots show various lights, fogs, orbs etc whilst others show nothing when flash is used for all ?

The flash is not the only setting that may change between 2 photo shots: Settings on the cam may have changed, the cam may have moved, even the breath of the photographer may have changed and everything.
So without knowing if everything else has been ceteris paribus on 2 pics, the fact that both pics used flash is not worth much.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314311] Thu, 17 January 2013 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Sam,

"Sure i have. But moisture does not necessarily refer to rain drops but also means any sort of humidity, haze, mist, damp, vapor, even the exhale of the photographer ..."

Well if you have a digital camera you might try creating those effects with say cigarette smoke, pouring dust from a vacumn cleaner bag in front of the camera or squirting a vapourizer mist from an aerosol can to see what happens.

"Wait. It's a still picture. How do you tell direction of movement (and if there is movement at all) from one single picture?"

Direction of movement can sometimes be determined by shape of the light or orb. These take on a sort of teardrop shape with the bulging part in front and what appears to be a vapour trail at the rear.

"No. Rain may very well contain different sized drops and it very well moves along air flow. And most of the above mentioned forms of humidity easily move upwards (thats how evaporation, building clouds and falling rain work).'

Visit thw White Lights of Spectacular and Bright Lights galleries ..... have you ever seen raindrops like that ?

"Certainly: If there was real light emitting it would be obvious that there had to be something that was not induced by taking the photo.
Going with the reflections induced by taking the picture it's a matter of belief what may have caused the reflections in this way, if it may be atmospheric physics and imaging physics or rather sort of para physics."

In their normal form most orbs and lights have insufficient power (like a capacitor stored charge) to emit sufficient light to be picked up by camera's or the naked eye .... that is most but not all.
If for instance you had a battery hooked up to a 40 watt blue colored globe and tried to photograph it at night from 50 feet what would be the result ? If however you had a 100 watt clear (white) globe in the same position what would you expect the results to be ?


"Sure they can, they have ever done that. I mean, quantity is not a indication to what might be the explanation of a phenomenon, is it? If i took billions of pics of a rainbow does this shift the reason for the rainbow from optical physics to a leprechaun with a barrel full of gold?"

That is obviously an armchair opinion. After being in the field using many different sorts of camera's in very different conditions .... actual experience, your perspective might change.

"The flash is not the only setting that may change between 2 photo shots: Settings on the cam may have changed, the cam may have moved, even the breath of the photographer may have changed and everything.
So without knowing if everything else has been ceteris paribus on 2 pics, the fact that both pics used flash is not worth much."


You might be making assumptions based on ideas that the photographers are employing some sort of tricks or altering technical settings on camera's. In reality you have no idea what the photographer has or hasn't done because you weren't present.

Breath of the photographer .... in winter maybe but now it's the middle of summer in Australia ....
there's no cold air which mists up when breathing at night.

Also it's virtualy impossible to remain statue still for the next subsequent shot .... there's always a tiny bit of movement unless camera's are placed on tripods but that's not much use with compacts because those dont have a sync connection where a remote cable could be attached.

Actually your question gave me an idea .... set up a camera on tripod and use the self timer set to say 10 seconds to obtain a series of pics. Just let it fire away till the battery expires to see what might be obtained.

Also as far as reflection off orbs .... i would say definitely yes because some appear very close to the camera however for those which dont and there is an extensive list of samples where an orb is very obviously behind fence wire often 10+ and often further away which pose some difficulties for skeptics. If it's that far away it cant be close to the camera.

However as for the questions overall .... those were anticipated which is why the Skeptics And Debunkers post exists ..... to answer all those with many linked examples.

Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314314] Thu, 17 January 2013 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Can you link directly to a picture that definitely shows orbs behind fences btw? (Preferably original resolution in a lossless format - not scaled down jpegs) My current hypothesis after looking at that 'Science' thread is that they are all in front. The ones 'behind' are always pale, so the metal fence simply 'outshines' them.


Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314319] Thu, 17 January 2013 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bearpit

 
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Hi DepressivesBrot,

Presently i'm without an uploader storage at that site so it's difficult to publish full size pics as the gallery software resizes images to 1024X768 but if you dont mind i can get your e-mail from the admin section and mail you some pics full size which are typically 3 - 3.6 megs each.

Really, it only needs one convincing picture to confirm some orbs are behind the wire so i'd send two or three of the clearest ones.

I agree some of those reduced samples aren't all that great to be totally convincing and it does require an original to be sure.

Till some of the "behind" pictures came i wasn't absolutely sure myself.
Re: A question about orbs and lights.[message #314321] Thu, 17 January 2013 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Better upload them to some generic filehoster (Mediafire, MS skydrive, dropbox, ...) - I'm sure Sam would be interested as well.


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