The Bears Pit: Flugente's Magika Workshop » New feature: Covert operations

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Location: Germany

I try to account for people doing the weirdest of things. :et5:

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #316293]

Sat, 16 March 2013 03:24

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Update: As of r5922, option 6 in the tactial function selection menu ('Ctrl' + '.') allows a spy to check his own disguise - the resulting messages give a hint on wether this disguise would be good or not. Of course, this can not take into account an actual enemy seeing you next to dead bodies, or your spy targetting an enemy, but it works well enough for inventory-related pitfalls to disguises (like too many/too cool guns etc.).

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #316412]

Wed, 20 March 2013 13:01

PasHancock

Messages:718
Registered:February 2011
Location: Estonia,Tallinn

if you Steal enemy Weapon ( when disguised ) then they wont react, they still gonna act normally like nothing happened

First Sergeant

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #316424]

Thu, 21 March 2013 00:47

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

PasHancock

if you Steal enemy Weapon ( when disguised ) then they wont react, they still gonna act normally like nothing happened

Fixed in r5943. The problem was that I previously only checked wether we performed the stealing animation. As soldiers only cyclically check for spies, one could easily fall through that checks. No more! Now stealing always has a chance of being discovered. It depends on wether our victim can see us or has previously seen us, an his alert level. Hint: Stealing from someone while standing right in front of him is a bad idea.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #316520]

Sun, 24 March 2013 13:30

Faalagorn

Messages:152
Registered:February 2012
Location: Poland

First the bugs I spotted:
Throwing body away while your merc is unconscious removes the body from the sector altogether.

I also think that decapitating terrorists does not work now. It's either that, or zombies mod, or because I haven't talked with Carmen so far?

I can provide savegames to the bugs above.

Now here's a couple of improvements/suggestions to the feature I have Smile

First a small tweak: I think the XML values for enemy clothing prices should be adjusted. $100/$120 for a clothing piece you can get from any soldier is a bit too much, especially at the price Jake buys them. I manually changed the price of each t-shirt and pants to $20, no matter if it's an enemy or a civilian clothing (but that could be adjusted even further, even with the possible question, should NPC buy Deidranna soldier clothing at all?)

Next another small XML tweak: Empty body should take two hands when held in primary hand, IMHO. It's such a big item, than it would be weird to have the possibility to carry two 80kg bodies at once

The next thing that could be really useful, would be making body sprites transparent, just like the living soldiers/mercs are when they are behind the wall - that way you could easily see where is the body of enemy after you killed them near the wall, allowing to easily take his body or clothes.

It would be also nice to have a global option in ctrl+. menu to strip all the clothing from the bodies. (and decapitate and gut options too when we're at it - I think the decapitate one was already discussed on some thread when someone mentioned hiding bodies. Option to mass remove bodies, or at least stockpile it on one spot would be nice indeed, too).

One addition to the clothing system I'd like, but might be hard to implement: instead of making clothing unusable after you shoot the enemy in torso/legs once is to make the clothing more degraded with each successful shot. The more shots your clothing item takes, the more likely are you detected. That would add a bit more realism IMO, avoid confusion when an enemy and it have no clothing (First I didn't knew why, later I've read what was the reason xD) and force your mercs to switch clothing from time to time.

Also, I think it's intentional, since the old T-shirts and the new one behave differently, you can't make rags out of t-shirts obtained from enemy soldiers. It would be cool on one hand, but on other hand it might disrupt the balance a bit, since there's LOTS of shirts lying around if you take clothes from all the soldiers from fight (I like that though xD)

And one last thing - maybe knives should break a little when decapitating and gutting, but not taking clothes away or dragging bodies?

Staff Sergeant

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #316525]

Sun, 24 March 2013 18:01

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Faalagorn

First the bugs I spotted:
Throwing body away while your merc is unconscious removes the body from the sector altogether.

You shouldn't be able to throw anything while unconscious. That seems like a bug, but not specifically corpse-related.

Faalagorn

I also think that decapitating terrorists does not work now. It's either that, or zombies mod, or because I haven't talked with Carmen so far?

I can provide savegames to the bugs above.

Save game is welcome, as long as its from the current trunk. Or, on this special occasion, from AFS 4.31. I will however not install any other mod.

Faalagorn

Now here's a couple of improvements/suggestions to the feature I have

First a small tweak: I think the XML values for enemy clothing prices should be adjusted. $100/$120 for a clothing piece you can get from any soldier is a bit too much, especially at the price Jake buys them. I manually changed the price of each t-shirt and pants to $20, no matter if it's an enemy or a civilian clothing (but that could be adjusted even further, even with the possible question, should NPC buy Deidranna soldier clothing at all?)

I made uniforms cost more as an ill-advised move to make it harder to get them... which fails anyway, as getting an uniform is pretty easy. I'll propably change it so that NPCs won't sell/buy it anymore (we cannot easily forbid NPCs from buying them [we can only forbid buying for their entire inventory]). However, as one can change army uniforms, this will be a bit odd.

Faalagorn

Next another small XML tweak: Empty body should take two hands when held in primary hand, IMHO. It's such a big item, than it would be weird to have the possibility to carry two 80kg bodies at once

True.

Faalagorn

The next thing that could be really useful, would be making body sprites transparent, just like the living soldiers/mercs are when they are behind the wall - that way you could easily see where is the body of enemy after you killed them near the wall, allowing to easily take his body or clothes.

Currently impossible.

Faalagorn

It would be also nice to have a global option in ctrl+. menu to strip all the clothing from the bodies. (and decapitate and gut options too when we're at it - I think the decapitate one was already discussed on some thread when someone mentioned hiding bodies. Option to mass remove bodies, or at least stockpile it on one spot would be nice indeed, too).

Strippin clothes was meant as an immersive way to get disguises. Not as a way to get money. So no.

Faalagorn

One addition to the clothing system I'd like, but might be hard to implement: instead of making clothing unusable after you shoot the enemy in torso/legs once is to make the clothing more degraded with each successful shot. The more shots your clothing item takes, the more likely are you detected. That would add a bit more realism IMO, avoid confusion when an enemy and it have no clothing (First I didn't knew why, later I've read what was the reason xD) and force your mercs to switch clothing from time to time.

Currently impossible. The clothes items cease to exist once you wear them - applying clothes simply changes your 'colours', and I set a marker that new clothes have been applied. Plus a marker if clothes have been damaged. Upon stripping, if we wear new clothes but do not have 'damaged' flag, I spawn a new clothes item. I will not add a sort of status to that.

Faalagorn

Also, I think it's intentional, since the old T-shirts and the new one behave differently, you can't make rags out of t-shirts obtained from enemy soldiers. It would be cool on one hand, but on other hand it might disrupt the balance a bit, since there's LOTS of shirts lying around if you take clothes from all the soldiers from fight (I like that though xD)

Nah, I just didnt care.
Faalagorn

And one last thing - maybe knives should break a little when decapitating and gutting, but not taking clothes away or dragging bodies?

Sounds reasonable...

Update: As of r5952 and GameDir r1625, corpses are twohanded, NPC merchants dont accept admins shirts, knifes can get damaged on decapitating/gutting.

Decapitating terrorists works perfectly fine for me. Throwing items while unconscious works for other items too, but is only a very minor issue anyway.

[Updated on: Sun, 24 March 2013 19:51] by Moderator

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #317630]

Mon, 22 April 2013 00:23

Wil473

Messages:2808
Registered:September 2004
Location: Canada

This was reported earlier today in the DL-1.13 thread
Rodelero

Also, in Omerta where Olga atacks you, there were messages about some missing xml for her.

I'm not sure if this is something I'm doing wrong, or if it is an unintended side effect of this feature (or perhaps it is intended and my scan through this thread missed it), but I'm finding that Kingpin's assassins always drop some clothes, with a message about their disguise failing, when approaching my mercs. Initially I thought it was the obsolete Clothes.XML in my earlier releases, but in testing what I though was the fix, a current Clothes.XML from GameDir_1652, I am still seeing clothes being dropped in both both UC-1.13, where Kingpin's assassins are used as triggers for gang violence, and DL-1.13, where the assassins are present from day one for the story.

I've already tried, toggling the INI option for ASSASSINS_DISGUISED, both TRUE and FALSE have the assassin dropping a pile of clothes when my mercs see the NPC.

Is there a way for King Pin's assassins to not drop their clothes to the map despite being spotted?

EDIT: additionally I found that Conrad is disguised right from the moment you hire him.

[Updated on: Mon, 22 April 2013 00:32] by Moderator

Lieutenant

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #317632]

Mon, 22 April 2013 00:58

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Kingpin's assassins are supposed to be covert when that option is on, but should not drop clothes if it is off.

Conrad being disguised is intentional. The enemy 'knows' him to be one of their soldiers, so they treat him like one of theirs until he attacks them. Same for Iggy - both are disguised as soldiers. Others, like Maddog an Hamous, are known civilians.

This only applies upon recruiting them. If they lose that disguise, the normal rules for covert ops apply (no trait - bad in disguising).

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319402]

Sun, 12 May 2013 02:59

Taro_M

Messages:292
Registered:November 2008

Cool stuff, but there are areas where things could be improved:

*add the possibility for spy with max stat to be detected when standing next to the enemy, its a bit too easy otherwise. Also it looks a bit silly.
*on CTRL + . you could add an option to inspect your gear and give player message if it fits the current progress. A simple check, if equipment coolness is same or less then progress then player gets message "Seems legit" Razz

. If its more the progress then player gets "Your equipment seems out of place" message. An easy way to check if your cover will hold

One thing I think wasent taken into consideration is how enemies react if spy is near other mercs. Because I came up with idea to use spy as a spotter. Simply make your mercs hug the wall and use spy to bait and spot enemies. Its very likely this could be a great exploit.

Master Sergeant

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319444]

Sun, 12 May 2013 20:03

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

As there is no 'rating' for suspicion (the enemy either treats you as an enemy or doesn't), this would turn into 'if next to enemy, x% chance to be uncovered suddenly'. Which would almost guarantee death. Suddenly dying because the game feels like it seems a bad mechanic to me.

I already added a spy-selftest to the 'Ctrl' + '.' in 5922 (a few posts above). Seems you are not up to date Smile

But yes, this trait can be used to exploit. It's either that or make it so hard that its useless.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319826]

Thu, 16 May 2013 12:24

Taro_M

Messages:292
Registered:November 2008

Well you could make spy's cover blow when he is X distance from other mercs. The better the spy the closer he can be to other mercs, but even awesome spy cant get too close or the enemies will "see" that he acts suspicious around the supposed enemy (other mercs).

As for the "chance" of blown cover you could make it like this: there could be hidden disguise meter that is drained when spy is close to the enemy and in sight range, it "recharges" when spy is out of sight of enemies. The better the spy the longer it takes for the "meter" to "drain". Its just an idea though.

[Updated on: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:28] by Moderator

Master Sergeant

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319884]

Fri, 17 May 2013 00:28

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

While having some sort of 'suspicion meter' would be pretty nice (perhaps with the enemy getting more and more hostile as you score higher), the problem is that the checks for suspicious behaviour happen whenever necessary... and when adding points, we do not know for what we already added points. So if standing next to a corpse would net you 5 points, and you'd be uncovered at 100 points, you'd get 5 points per turn if one enemy sees you an stands still. If he moves however, the check would be performed once for every new tile he visits - so if he just keeps moving, he'll uncover us in no time. And no, we cannot skip those checks in favour of 'once check per turn' - that would be obviously exploitable.

The only way around that would be to note every instance where we acquired suspicion points - which is mind-boggling, given the many ways one can raise suspicion.

Would be nice though. A soldier-specific meter would be even better (as in: different soldiers can be differently suspicious of us, depending on what they saw us do etc.). Though we'd then need 256 separate meters for every soldier... which'd come down do 256^2 suspicion meters.

Might be bit of a performance killer.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319951]

Fri, 17 May 2013 17:42

Moonfluk

Messages:2
Registered:May 2013

Hi folks. Very excited about trying out this feature! Does anyone know the "bNewSkillTrait" number for this skill? I want to give it to an existing merc, but the version of the Merc Profile Editor that I'm using doesn't include it as an option in the drop-down.

Also, after reading the comments on this post I'm still a bit confused about one point. The skill tooltip mentions a bonus to CTH and instakill for covert melee weapons. What entails a "covert melee weapon" exactly? Is that any melee weapon used by a covert operative still in a working disguise? Also, does this exclude throwing knives?

Civilian

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319953]

Fri, 17 May 2013 18:09

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Hi Pudge, welcome to the pit!

The covert trait is trait number 20. Note that after editing the Merc Profiles, you will have to start a new game for this to take effect.

Covert melee weapons are weapons specially designed for covert operations. In the trunk, this is only the Garotte (item #1579). In order for this to also work on other weapons, you'd have to ad the tag 24576 to them - but it will only work on melee weapons, not om throwables.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #319955]

Fri, 17 May 2013 18:17

Moonfluk

Messages:2
Registered:May 2013

Thanks very much, Flugente. That's exactly what I needed. I've played JA2 pretty much every year since it was released, and I'm a longtime lurker of this forum. The massive amount of work you guys have done to expand on this game is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks again.

Civilian

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #321949]

Mon, 24 June 2013 23:20

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

Hello,
i played JA 2 UC 1.13 , and i have make a Spy,

First i have other items than you (first screen)
second Every time i go in civi. clothes and see an enemy its saing
"Doint look like a Civi."
"PPSH-41 considered Military hardware"

I doint have a PPSH-41 in my inv why its say that ?
it this a bug ?

edit :
I Drop everything and Pick it up, now its work , wtf ? xD

Now i buyed a Crossbow , when i put it in the Weapon slot (NOT that in the hand , that from the inventar) but then its say that its military hardware (its showing NOT the right weapon name)
Then i put it in the BACKPACK , and its saying again that its only military ,(But whit a other weapon name) how can i transport a crossbow that its not "showed" and why its showing wrong names ?

[Updated on: Mon, 24 June 2013 23:33] by Moderator

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #321950]

Mon, 24 June 2013 23:24

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

You have something in your inventory that would make the enemy suspicious. Unfortunately, the message you see prints out a wrong item (it is some other item). You can either update to an up-to-date exe (last week or so), or: Open the Items.xml in /Data-UC/TableData/Items/Items.xml, and tell me which number the PPSH-41 has. I can then tell you in which slot the item the game really means is.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #321951]

Mon, 24 June 2013 23:42

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

Wow the answer was fast,
first i have update my post
if its not realy good to understand write me an PN and i will write it to you in german because i see you german xDD

And here the ids :
4437 & 13

i play whit 4.45 20130518,
i patch now , and than i say if its fixed

edit : Ok this patch fix it , but again , how can i travel whit my crossbar so thats nobody nos that i have it ?because how can they see in my backpack ? have they backpack - X-ray - Items xD ?

[Updated on: Mon, 24 June 2013 23:53] by Moderator

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #321954]

Tue, 25 June 2013 00:28

Sam Hotte

Messages:1960
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

In order to hide items from detection you need special items with the 'covert' property. Either the item is 'covert' itself or you need e.g. a holster that can hide your gun.

Sergeant Major

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #321966]

Tue, 25 June 2013 10:09

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

my Pistole have nothing whit covert only reliability.
The gun name :
Walther PPK
This gun is hided , when i equip it in my hand its Hided too ? bud a gun in my backpack not ? wtf ?

edit :
Lol
now i have pick up a gun (this gun was droppet by a soldire)
and what say it ? the gun is too "good" for a soldire , but i became it from a soldire what the ?

gun name : M77B1 Tactical stock..

and can you plss add that when a gun is in the backpack the Soldirs doint see this gun ?
and when a soldire see that you a bad gay that you DOINT lose you clothes , that the icon thats saying "undercover" was crossed out ? and when you noobody see its again there ?

[Updated on: Tue, 25 June 2013 11:19] by Moderator

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #321970]

Tue, 25 June 2013 15:07

Sam Hotte

Messages:1960
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

Since you play UC-1.13 I'd recommend going to its dedicated section and make polite suggestions to the creator there ...
(e.g. "how about giving all backpacks the 'covert' property to hide everything stored and concealed in a backpack")

Sergeant Major

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322004]

Tue, 25 June 2013 20:39

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

can i change a xml / ini and add there items for "hiding" or is it in the code?

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322007]

Tue, 25 June 2013 20:51

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Add 16384 to an item in TableData/Items/Items.xml.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322017]

Tue, 25 June 2013 23:06

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

@Flugente ok i will try it ^^

when a programmierer read this :
Pls make that he only Check what for a gun you have in you hand

When you Have a gun in the hand and you civi = they see you not a civi

if you have a gun in the hand AND you SOLDIRE then check is this gun a soldir gun ... so that you doint check the inventory ...

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322019]

Tue, 25 June 2013 23:23

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Enemy soldiers have to check the entire inventory. Otherwise this could be exploited by, well, keeping all kinds of outlandish gear in your inventory.

That the enemy checks your inventory is a significant point of this feature. If one wants to be hidden, you have to compromise and not raise suspicion.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322038]

Wed, 26 June 2013 02:37

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

If one wants to be hidden, you have to compromise and not raise suspicion.

how ?
because every time i have a non good gun by me (backpack) and move normal the enemys see that i was bad ..?

And when i have a "good" gun equipt (in my hand) and im Civi its ok xD ? but when i have a gun in my backpack its not ok xD ???

edit : Its not about this "addon" but , i have played whit the 3 of difficulty and i have make and i go to callisto airport , yea im now finisch whit this airport and have so mutch loot 2 sides only loot from the enemys there was there !! ca 30 and more enemeys ... is this normal ?

[Updated on: Wed, 26 June 2013 05:42] by Moderator

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322073]

Wed, 26 June 2013 15:03

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

gigagames

how ?
because every time i have a non good gun by me (backpack) and move normal the enemys see that i was bad ..?

Yes, they do. If you want to stay hidden, use gear that seems normal for the kind of person you try to emulate.

gigagames

And when i have a "good" gun equipt (in my hand) and im Civi its ok xD ? but when i have a gun in my backpack its not ok xD ???

edit : Its not about this "addon" but , i have played whit the 3 of difficulty and i have make and i go to callisto airport , yea im now finisch whit this airport and have so mutch loot 2 sides only loot from the enemys there was there !! ca 30 and more enemeys ... is this normal ?

Wrong thread.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322078]

Wed, 26 June 2013 15:51

Messages:33
Registered:January 2013

A civilian isn't supposed to have any guns. If the enemy sees them sporting any, its reasonable for them to open fire (this is a brutal dictatorship after all). If you notice being able to have a gun in your hand as a civilain, then that is an error.

Then i have found a error / bug because i can have als civilian a Garotte in my hand = ok
Knife = ok
Start gun (Walther PPK) in my Hand (im Civilian) Ok
^^

Private 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322079]

Wed, 26 June 2013 16:05

Sam Hotte

Messages:1960
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

Pls. check also with different weapons since at least the garrotte would possibly be a 'covert' weapon which means it will not be detected at all.
Not sure about knife and the PPK, tho - but if they are starting weapons for an char who has the spy trait(s), they could be 'covert' items as well.

Sergeant Major

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322080]

Wed, 26 June 2013 16:20

DepressivesBrot

Messages:3641
Registered:July 2009

After his adamant refusal of a certain gun, I don't believe a plain PPK to be openly carryable by a civilian.
And for the record, my builds are clean Wink

[Updated on: Wed, 26 June 2013 16:22] by Moderator

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322098]

Wed, 26 June 2013 21:43

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Garotte is a special item that can be used in hands openly.
Certain knifes can also be wielded.
Guns, however, are forbidden in hands, even if they have the coert property.

Fixed in r6161.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322353]

Tue, 02 July 2013 17:30

merc05

Messages:90
Registered:January 2013

r6145

I don't know if anything has been done with it in the newer revisions but when disguised as a soldier the covert item attribute is ignored. If I make and undercover ballistic vest i.e. I can use it when disguised as a civilian without problem, but when I disguise the merc in soldier clothes then the game reads the vests coolness factor and the enemy attacks me because it's too high, even though the vest has covert item attribute. I don't think it makes sense, since covert items are supposed to be hidden from enemy's sight.

Corporal 1st Class

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322370]

Tue, 02 July 2013 22:24

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Fixed in r6186. Covert items are hidden from the enemies sight when disguised as a soldier. Except for those in your hands - you wield those openly.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322468]

Sat, 06 July 2013 08:37

Bambusar

Messages:63
Registered:July 2012

Hi
I am trying Depris SCI 1.13 (http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/311288/Depri_s_Builds_and_Packages_Ge.html)
Version:
http://kermi.pp.fi/JA_2/v1.13_Releases/Unofficial/English/Depri/SCI_113/SCI_Unstable_Revision_6187_on_GameDir_1692.7z

It would be nice to have some sort of tag or weapon attribute i weapon descritpion to see if weapon is covert or if it will raise suspicion.

What is " than what one would expect from a typical soldier " equipment ? I find out that if you kill black dressed soldier and take all (and wear only his) his equipment you still raise suspicion.

Is there any list of items with COVERT entry in their ?

Also item name that caused you being discovered is not printed correctly.

Image for body is image of camo kit. We need some body bag pic.

unrelated bug: HK P7M8 has accuracy 0

Otherwise great work on that trait! Game can now be played as good old commandos. I am trying to use one mercenary to cause alarm and other with spy trait dressed as soldier to attack enemies in the back when they form front line. So far I usually get discovered sooner than I would wish for.

Next mission is to try to booby trap the area before causing alarm.

(should this be posted in 1.13 bugs thread?)

Corporal

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322484]

Sun, 07 July 2013 01:05

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Hi,

covert property should already be displayed with a 'hat' symbol in the last page of UDB.

Equipment is rated by coolness. You get a bonus depending on the uniform you wear (dressing as elite allows higher coolness). Its basically progress/10 + 1-3 depending on uniform.

Nope.

That was fixed recently, so in what way is the name wrong?

Yes, we do need, but nobody does one.

Captain

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322503]

Sun, 07 July 2013 19:04

Bambusar

Messages:63
Registered:July 2012

Thx for you answers and all your work.

Here is image of spy hat marking COVERT trait of some LBA items:

I noticed that I got instantly discovered when wearing Extended Ear. It has coolness 7. :bluecool:

Names of items that caused me being suspicious are displayed wrong. Maybe this (SCI_Unstable_Revision_6187_on_GameDir_1692.7z) version of Depris SCI didnt have fix in it yet. Ill try next version.

Body bag... I am designer so i can try to make those sprites. I just have to figure out how to get around that sti image format. If i remember correctly there was some thread about that somewhere.

Militia equipment works great so far.

Other minor bugs: All bartender brothers dont have speech audio files. Garotre image is reused knuckels image. Which i can also made new when i lrn how to STCI.

Is there any dedicated STCI section of forum or should i spam this thread with questions about resolutions, palletes and such things? I downloaded this editor, not sure if it is the only one. http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6403/cd24.png

[Updated on: Sun, 07 July 2013 19:27] by Moderator

Corporal

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322504]

Sun, 07 July 2013 19:23

wanne (aka RoWa21)

Messages:1949
Registered:October 2005
Location: Austria

@bartenders speech: a few revisions ago there were some changes in the source regarding the santos brothers. maybe a bug was introduced. can you upload a savegame so we can reproduce the speech issue. thanks

Sergeant Major

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322505]

Sun, 07 July 2013 19:49

Bambusar

Messages:63
Registered:July 2012

Here is save file and Ja2_Options.INI since it is needed so you can load it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wzmal17cyl4iqdz/savegamescarlosnoaudio.zip

I downloaded new SCI version: SCI_Unstable_Revision_6201_on_GameDir_1698.7z

That bug with wrong names of suspitious items is still present Sad

another note: I edited weapons.xml to fix "HK P7M8 has accuracy 0" bug. I notice that has no 6 or 84.

About images and STI image format i will just join IRC.

[Updated on: Sun, 07 July 2013 19:54] by Moderator

Corporal

Re: New feature: Covert operations[message #322518]

Mon, 08 July 2013 10:19

wanne (aka RoWa21)

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Registered:October 2005
Location: Austria

RoWa21

@bartenders speech: a few revisions ago there were some changes in the source regarding the santos brothers. maybe a bug was introduced. can you upload a savegame so we can reproduce the speech issue. thanks

Fixed in revision 6208